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On September 26 2014 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:09 geript wrote:On September 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:We're still lynching VE. On September 26 2014 03:23 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 26 2014 03:13 Promethelax wrote:
I find myself suspicious of my partner. Yamato hasn't done anything really in qt. I've been using it more than I thought I would since I wanted to make sure we read each other as town since, if we are both town, we are the strongest town-town pairing.
In qt and in thread Yam has posted little one liners and argued with DP. That is it.
He said he would talk to me about his reads since he thinks I am town but he simply hasn't. The last thing he said was that VA is someone he ignores.
I'm not terribly interested in lynching Yamato today but it is something I would like to hear opinions on. I see people giving him a town read but I don't see why. I think I want to lynch my QT mate Chairman Ray. Like - I was giving him a pass because claim, but I've been like trying to exchange thoughts and ideas in our QT and there's just no reciprocation whatsoever. He's not playing the game in the QT, and he's not playing the game in the thread. He's not trying to with the game with town, frankly he's not trying to win the game as any alignment. I don't think he's playing like a third-party who turns into a town. So I want to lynch him because that's the role he's claimed. Any questions? ##Vote: Chairman Ray How can you make this post and have read the thread? It's a complete cop-out vote. Put your vote on someone that provides no impact, that everyone abandoned for today, and provides literally no useful information towards finding mafia. Regarding my meta case, DP did bring up a good point about him going after DP in "The Game." So that part of my meta case was wrong - didn't expect to have to go back 20 town games. Regardless, I do not believe town-VE is the type of player that's town-reading MM1 and Damdred so early into the game. That's very, very unlike any of his town games, including "the game." We need to start consolidating. The people voting Damdred and Oats still have not made a case on them and are doing some weird process of elimination thing, which is not an adequate reason to lynch someone. On September 26 2014 03:26 geript wrote:@Prome Here is a link to his only game here; idk if (s)he's played elsewhere. At first glance it seems pretty standard new player flaws and was modkilled N2 (I'm assuming for inactivity but I'll doublecheck). On September 26 2014 03:35 geript wrote:On August 27 2014 19:07 abuse wrote:
meatpudding
His reply to my initial first 4 questions satisfies me deeply (no perv intended)
He is giving an experienced player vibe, even though this is a newbie game.
He seems to be the only person to actually read my posts how I intended them to be read, and does good analysis of the situation.
Same as Barakos, even if he turns out to be scum in the end(which I also do not believe to be the case), I think having him along the way will still help town a lot.
His posts are logical and have meaning behind them. He does not try to ignore questions and try to negatively push any flaws he sees in others' posts. He asks about them instead of attacking.
Also - I do not see him to be the cop, I do see him as town though. This is the only type of thing I really have to fault when comparing the two. He earlyish into D1 (started on p6 and he posted a series of these at p11) that he goes through a bit methodically about reading people. He hasn't really done this at all. He seems really detached in general in comparison. There's a minor townie point for him and his gum comment on me as that type of attitude pervades his newbie filter, but the rest of what he posted seems pretty different actually. Here's something to look at. Both Prome and I agreed on it. Yeah I read that game too. But making a meta tell of a person based on 1 game is... not good.
I brought up a point on abuse being scummy that wasn't to do with meta (because I agree, you can't make a call here. Even more so because newbie.) Please address it.
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##Unvote: Oatsmaster
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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##Vote VE
I have to start going back to work now, but i'll be around the last hour hit and miss if we want to do a sudden change, I really do not want a no lynch some information is better than none.
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On September 26 2014 05:02 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 04:43 geript wrote:
@Prome we have a little over 2 hours to get a lynch. Who do you want?
CR is the safe no one will really fight it lynch.
Abuse is an ok lurker lynch, Vayne is too maybe.
Kush I could lynch but I doubt the support's there. Damdred is maybe an ok lynch but I think it's too likely that I'm reading him wrong.
VE has sorta faded out. Kinda reminds me of when he was mafia in gmarsh's game. The tone thing and reversing Hapa's argument on himself feels a bit bad and there's Hapa's arguments too.
Hapa I think was too active to lynch today; I think in the long run lynching abuse makes more sense there. Plus he's been all over the place for me. I still don't see how he ever thought I was mafia and him returning to that read made me feel even more odd about him.
DP I think is town but I don't think he's been terribly useful. Kinda in the same boat as Yam.
I think Grack's town. I want to lynch VE. Next day I'd like to look at both abuse and VA both still look scummy to me but I don't have the support to force their lynches today and, honestly, I'm more interested in seeing a VE flip. More people said things about him and he is therefore a more useful flip for town. Who do you want to lynch geript?
Honestly I'm really torn between Abuse and VE with a side of CR. Like I think there's almost no way CR is the martyr 3P right now. He's not at all playing like he's going to end with a "win with town" wincon; that's really telling for me. He also spend most of the day doing nothing and the other half of the day pretending he's in some lala world. I don't see him getting any better; i don't think his flip helps with VE, but I think we'll end up lynching him at some point so I'd rather clear him now before he kills a town.
On Abuse, I mean half policy half acting differently half I don't trust Hapa. On VE, I don't hate parts of Hapa's case and I've listed my own reasons multiple times. It's just that my ass is itching and I think he'll probly flip town.
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On September 26 2014 03:09 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 04:08 abuse wrote:
1. is a fair point but I am not good with collecting my thoughts well on such huge information loads, so I just go with how I can manage. and I do not agree with 2. I am pretty clear with who I find suspicious and who I find legit.
me and hapa or oats and damdred?
Would you say that the chances are high that 3 mafia are among these 4?
I know I'm not scum and hapa does not seem like scum either. Both Oats and Damdred have not said anything so far that would strike as anti town or scummy.
Why are you sure that there is no scum between DP and Vayne? Does vayne's play so far seem legit and not worth looking into? I'm having a hard time understanding this..
Can people who have played with abuse before tell me if he is usually this wishy washy? This entire post is just an attempt to push the lynch away from himself and onto anywhere else it could stick without actually scum hunting or attempting to find the correct target. DP and Vayne have been been garnering attention up to this point but abuse doesn't say that he thinks either one is scum. Instead he wants geript to call them scum and stop calling him/hapa scum. If I had to pick a single post to lynch someone over I would call this the most lynch worthy post thus far in the game.
You mean this?
It seems like a pretty typical newbie post, no? Plus he's very consistently suspicious of Vayne in my conversations with him in the QT, so I think that post looks better to me. Perhaps unsatisfying to you guys, but w/e.
I really don't want to get into the mindset of forcing myself to defend abuse, because my reasons for not wanting to lynch him are more along the lines of "how could everyone see VE's vote on CR and not want to lynch him with fire?"
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On September 26 2014 05:15 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:02 Promethelax wrote:On September 26 2014 04:43 geript wrote:
@Prome we have a little over 2 hours to get a lynch. Who do you want?
CR is the safe no one will really fight it lynch.
Abuse is an ok lurker lynch, Vayne is too maybe.
Kush I could lynch but I doubt the support's there. Damdred is maybe an ok lynch but I think it's too likely that I'm reading him wrong.
VE has sorta faded out. Kinda reminds me of when he was mafia in gmarsh's game. The tone thing and reversing Hapa's argument on himself feels a bit bad and there's Hapa's arguments too.
Hapa I think was too active to lynch today; I think in the long run lynching abuse makes more sense there. Plus he's been all over the place for me. I still don't see how he ever thought I was mafia and him returning to that read made me feel even more odd about him.
DP I think is town but I don't think he's been terribly useful. Kinda in the same boat as Yam.
I think Grack's town. I want to lynch VE. Next day I'd like to look at both abuse and VA both still look scummy to me but I don't have the support to force their lynches today and, honestly, I'm more interested in seeing a VE flip. More people said things about him and he is therefore a more useful flip for town. Who do you want to lynch geript? Honestly I'm really torn between Abuse and VE with a side of CR. Like I think there's almost no way CR is the martyr 3P right now. He's not at all playing like he's going to end with a "win with town" wincon; that's really telling for me. He also spend most of the day doing nothing and the other half of the day pretending he's in some lala world. I don't see him getting any better; i don't think his flip helps with VE, but I think we'll end up lynching him at some point so I'd rather clear him now before he kills a town. On Abuse, I mean half policy half acting differently half I don't trust Hapa. On VE, I don't hate parts of Hapa's case and I've listed my own reasons multiple times. It's just that my ass is itching and I think he'll probly flip town.
I had a dream about the balance for this game. It suggested that the 3p has to be anti-town because 10-3 is essentially balanced to begin with. 10-3 with mason pairs is very town favoured, even more so since we know the alignments of the pairs. Since there is a 3p it has to be anti town to make up for the masoning of the players.
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@Prome to clarify, I think I'd prefer Abuse or CR. I think VE can still be town here and I'd like a bit to get a better read on the situation because I think that Hapa can still be mafia here.
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Sure. Ignore everything I say.
VE it is.
## vote: VE
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On September 26 2014 05:18 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:15 geript wrote:On September 26 2014 05:02 Promethelax wrote:On September 26 2014 04:43 geript wrote:
@Prome we have a little over 2 hours to get a lynch. Who do you want?
CR is the safe no one will really fight it lynch.
Abuse is an ok lurker lynch, Vayne is too maybe.
Kush I could lynch but I doubt the support's there. Damdred is maybe an ok lynch but I think it's too likely that I'm reading him wrong.
VE has sorta faded out. Kinda reminds me of when he was mafia in gmarsh's game. The tone thing and reversing Hapa's argument on himself feels a bit bad and there's Hapa's arguments too.
Hapa I think was too active to lynch today; I think in the long run lynching abuse makes more sense there. Plus he's been all over the place for me. I still don't see how he ever thought I was mafia and him returning to that read made me feel even more odd about him.
DP I think is town but I don't think he's been terribly useful. Kinda in the same boat as Yam.
I think Grack's town. I want to lynch VE. Next day I'd like to look at both abuse and VA both still look scummy to me but I don't have the support to force their lynches today and, honestly, I'm more interested in seeing a VE flip. More people said things about him and he is therefore a more useful flip for town. Who do you want to lynch geript? Honestly I'm really torn between Abuse and VE with a side of CR. Like I think there's almost no way CR is the martyr 3P right now. He's not at all playing like he's going to end with a "win with town" wincon; that's really telling for me. He also spend most of the day doing nothing and the other half of the day pretending he's in some lala world. I don't see him getting any better; i don't think his flip helps with VE, but I think we'll end up lynching him at some point so I'd rather clear him now before he kills a town. On Abuse, I mean half policy half acting differently half I don't trust Hapa. On VE, I don't hate parts of Hapa's case and I've listed my own reasons multiple times. It's just that my ass is itching and I think he'll probly flip town. I had a dream about the balance for this game. It suggested that the 3p has to be anti-town because 10-3 is essentially balanced to begin with. 10-3 with mason pairs is very town favoured, even more so since we know the alignments of the pairs. Since there is a 3p it has to be anti town to make up for the masoning of the players.
I've been thinking about that. I'm not sure if HaruRH would think that or if Kita/Fool/Gmarsh/whoever would make that argument. I'm also not sure if they would allow it to be "tried" without a "true 3P."
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On September 26 2014 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 03:09 Promethelax wrote:On September 25 2014 04:08 abuse wrote:
1. is a fair point but I am not good with collecting my thoughts well on such huge information loads, so I just go with how I can manage. and I do not agree with 2. I am pretty clear with who I find suspicious and who I find legit.
me and hapa or oats and damdred?
Would you say that the chances are high that 3 mafia are among these 4?
I know I'm not scum and hapa does not seem like scum either. Both Oats and Damdred have not said anything so far that would strike as anti town or scummy.
Why are you sure that there is no scum between DP and Vayne? Does vayne's play so far seem legit and not worth looking into? I'm having a hard time understanding this..
Can people who have played with abuse before tell me if he is usually this wishy washy? This entire post is just an attempt to push the lynch away from himself and onto anywhere else it could stick without actually scum hunting or attempting to find the correct target. DP and Vayne have been been garnering attention up to this point but abuse doesn't say that he thinks either one is scum. Instead he wants geript to call them scum and stop calling him/hapa scum. If I had to pick a single post to lynch someone over I would call this the most lynch worthy post thus far in the game. You mean this? It seems like a pretty typical newbie post, no? Plus he's very consistently suspicious of Vayne in my conversations with him in the QT, so I think that post looks better to me. Perhaps unsatisfying to you guys, but w/e. I really don't want to get into the mindset of forcing myself to defend abuse, because my reasons for not wanting to lynch him are more along the lines of "how could everyone see VE's vote on CR and not want to lynch him with fire?"
Yes I agree. I'm talking about d2 lynch at this point. I'm just curious since I assume you have more ideas than the rest of us on your partner who seems scummy to me.
Interestingly once we lynch Ve and assuming he flips scum everyone's partner will be confirmed town to them. Which should be excellent; we'll have five mason pairs who are conf town to each other.
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On September 26 2014 05:15 geript wrote:
On Abuse, I mean half policy half acting differently half I don't trust Hapa. On VE, I don't hate parts of Hapa's case and I've listed my own reasons multiple times. It's just that my ass is itching and I think he'll probly flip town.
How on earth is it policy to lynch an activity like mine, and not policy to lynch Vayne. Seriously.
Pls do explain, because I sure as hell can't get this in my skull, yet this has been pushed more than once already.
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On September 26 2014 05:18 abuse wrote:
Sure. Ignore everything I say.
VE it is.
## vote: VE
Tell me what I'm ignoring so I can refrain from ignoring it. I agree with your vote but you clearly don't. What are your thoughts?
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On September 26 2014 04:55 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 03:09 Promethelax wrote:On September 25 2014 04:08 abuse wrote:
1. is a fair point but I am not good with collecting my thoughts well on such huge information loads, so I just go with how I can manage. and I do not agree with 2. I am pretty clear with who I find suspicious and who I find legit.
me and hapa or oats and damdred?
Would you say that the chances are high that 3 mafia are among these 4?
I know I'm not scum and hapa does not seem like scum either. Both Oats and Damdred have not said anything so far that would strike as anti town or scummy.
Why are you sure that there is no scum between DP and Vayne? Does vayne's play so far seem legit and not worth looking into? I'm having a hard time understanding this..
Can people who have played with abuse before tell me if he is usually this wishy washy? This entire post is just an attempt to push the lynch away from himself and onto anywhere else it could stick without actually scum hunting or attempting to find the correct target. DP and Vayne have been been garnering attention up to this point but abuse doesn't say that he thinks either one is scum. Instead he wants geript to call them scum and stop calling him/hapa scum. If I had to pick a single post to lynch someone over I would call this the most lynch worthy post thus far in the game. What? did you even read any of my posts afterwards? Several times did I mention that I think vayne is scummy. Also - deadline comming up, still no info at all from vayne... Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 04:37 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Class is about to start, but its probably cause i see a world of hapa/abuse dont really like hapa and i think abuse is easier to lynch. So.. you're trying to lynch me because you don't like hapa.. ? What is this. head out of ass please.
This really bugs me. It feels very off from where he should be. He's frustrated that people aren't reading his posts and thinks he's mafia and says "head out of ass please" I really feel like this is similar to when I was mafia for the first time in the Game and responded to BH (my mafia partner when he was pressuring me) "Because I didn't think I could use it (pre-used rng)?" Especially after the newbie game he played in I really don't see him not just saying something simple and straight forward like "get your head out of your ass."
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On September 26 2014 05:21 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:15 geript wrote:
On Abuse, I mean half policy half acting differently half I don't trust Hapa. On VE, I don't hate parts of Hapa's case and I've listed my own reasons multiple times. It's just that my ass is itching and I think he'll probly flip town. How on earth is it policy to lynch an activity like mine, and not policy to lynch Vayne. Seriously. Pls do explain, because I sure as hell can't get this in my skull, yet this has been pushed more than once already.
Because historically, when Vayne barely plays it's because he's town and doesn't want to be NK'd. We don't have any sort of history like that for you. And no one is giving Vayne a free pass; it's just that there actually are people who look worse.
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On September 26 2014 05:21 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:18 abuse wrote:
Sure. Ignore everything I say.
VE it is.
## vote: VE Tell me what I'm ignoring so I can refrain from ignoring it. I agree with your vote but you clearly don't. What are your thoughts?
Your whole case on me is based on that one post, and because I seem to be wishy washy and have not stated my thoughts on DP and Vayne.
This is false, I have done so many times. Read the filter.
My thoughts up until a few minutes ago, due to some QT interaction, were that vayne is definitely scum. Not so sure now, but I sure as hell am not going to let him keep playing like this if this continues after D1. I have been null on VE this entire time, because his gameplay is very peculiar, but I trust hapa's judgement in this case, and his vote on CR is silly beyond belief.
I don't really have a problem with a lynch on VE. What makes you think I do not agree with my vote?
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On September 26 2014 05:27 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:21 Promethelax wrote:On September 26 2014 05:18 abuse wrote:
Sure. Ignore everything I say.
VE it is.
## vote: VE Tell me what I'm ignoring so I can refrain from ignoring it. I agree with your vote but you clearly don't. What are your thoughts? Your whole case on me is based on that one post, and because I seem to be wishy washy and have not stated my thoughts on DP and Vayne. This is false, I have done so many times. Read the filter. My thoughts up until a few minutes ago, due to some QT interaction, were that vayne is definitely scum. Not so sure now, but I sure as hell am not going to let him keep playing like this if this continues after D1. I have been null on VE this entire time, because his gameplay is very peculiar, but I trust hapa's judgement in this case, and his vote on CR is silly beyond belief. I don't really have a problem with a lynch on VE. What makes you think I do not agree with my vote?
The post I was quoting is why I doubt your belief in this vote. You don't seem to want to vote VE. You are very wishy washy, and your post that I was talking about is very scum oriented; between the rest of your play starting to pick up a bit and Hapa's word I am willing to let you go for a day.
I'm interested in seeing you push your own lynches over the next cycle though. Whatever you believe about your play thus far you've been essentially a non-entity.
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Current Vote Count
abuse (1): Hapahauli, MysteryMeat1
Chairman Ray (2): VayneAuthority, DarthPunk, geript, DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes
Grackaroni (0): Hapahauli
geript (0): Hapahauli, Grackaroni, Kushfeels, Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (1): Grackaroni, VayneAuthority
Hapahauli (0): VisceraEyes, geript
VisceraEyes (6): Hapahauli, geript, yamato77, Promethelax, Grackaroni, Damdred, abuse
Damdred (1): geript, MisteryMeat1, DarthPunk
Promethelax (1): Oatsmaster
VayneAuthority (1): Kushfeels
Not Voting (1): Chairman Ray
Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.
Deadline is Thursday, Sep 25 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Please inform the co-host if you believe the vote is incorrect.
Make sure you get your vote in before the deadline.
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Oh you have got to be kidding me. We only have an hour and a half to consolidate and we need at least two more to come in and be willing to vote VE.
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@geript, That "please" is filled with sarcasm tho.
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Geript and MM1 you are both here. Get your votes onto VE. Do it now.
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