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Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 10 2014 23:15 GMT
#569
On October 11 2014 08:07 Superbia wrote:
Why are you voting for FF?


Patiently awaiting your response to my questions.

The fact that you asked me that question makes me doubt my own read on you.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 10 2014 23:18 GMT
#571
On October 11 2014 08:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Okay before I start reading. Breshke, doyou still read me mafia?


Would that change how you view his posts?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 10 2014 23:21 GMT
#575
On October 11 2014 08:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 08:18 Rad wrote:
On October 11 2014 08:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Okay before I start reading. Breshke, doyou still read me mafia?


Would that change how you view his posts?

Have you even read the game?


Yes (well most of it, like I pointed out in my post above, not caught up on the Breshke Elvis stuff). Your turn. What does Breshke's current thoughts about you have to do with whatever it is you're about to start reading?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 10 2014 23:50 GMT
#582
On October 11 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote:
In fact, rad. Why the fuck did that make you doubt your read on me?


*SIGH* Superbia... it was a pressure move.

4 people on Zen at the lynch. Probably at least 1 scum on him. Possibly 2.

How do you go from pressuring him like that to letting him off the hook so easily and stopping me in my tracks?

On October 11 2014 05:17 Superbia wrote:
Lol, who are you mafia with?


On October 11 2014 05:45 Superbia wrote:
So it was a future-read? Sick.


On October 11 2014 05:47 Superbia wrote:
So let me get this straight: You scumread me at EoN1 because I'm poking you during D2?


Some advice from D1 Superbia.

On October 09 2014 05:33 Superbia wrote:
If you want to pressure someone, you pressure them. If other people are pressuring them, you should be happy.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 02:23 GMT
#590
On October 11 2014 10:24 Superbia wrote:
Rad, what are you thinking?


I'm thinking I'd like to know why he waited an entire day to come back to the thread after this bs about waiting to post until I respond to him:

On October 09 2014 09:40 loafery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:
On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:
On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:
@The_Zen_Man

Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point.

The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them.

What have you done the entire game?

1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.

No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game:

On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?


On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why?


He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged.

(I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands)

2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.

Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

3. 0 scum hunting

This is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it.

I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else.

##Vote: The_Zen_Man


you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town.


Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing.

Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all.


what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts.


So you've had a day to think about it. WHATCHA THINK? You going to tell us or would you prefer to just sit there looking like a newbie passing judgement.

And I'm also wondering why the hell he's still pushing for a vet claim. My brain is going to explode.

And finally, I'm wondering why he thinks anyone would be cool with him just disappearing for a whole day only to pop back up with a tiny, useless list of his thoughts and a 2 hour limit in which he'll answer questions or some shit.

What a fucking team player that guy is. I don't know how to read him though so /tableflip

Back to lanning with friends =/
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 17:28 GMT
#618
K I'm back, now it's time to play catch up.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 19:22 GMT
#628
On October 12 2014 03:57 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2014 03:44 Elvis! wrote:

That would need crazy amounts of proof of breshke not being scum and the other person to be more scum. I really highly doubt this is possible to happen at all at this point.


that is an issue, indeed.. :/

Show nested quote +
On October 12 2014 02:28 Rad wrote:
K I'm back, now it's time to play catch up.


anything you want to share yet?


I'm on the last page now. Post coming shortly.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 19:33 GMT
#631
On October 10 2014 18:29 Breshke wrote:
This being said i need you to contribute more loaf because i currently feel like a donkey for having a townread on you because you have contributed almost nothing recently.


Are you satisfied with his contributions since you've made this post?

On October 11 2014 21:12 abuse wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 08:06 Rad wrote:

On October 11 2014 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words.


Breshke - do you agree with this statement "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching"?


this post and question is utterly useless. Why are you asking this question and why are you asking this to breshke specifically?



It's not at all. If he agrees with it then his response here:

On October 11 2014 06:31 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words.


Shouldn't I then be town?


is a blatent double standard with his push on Elvis. The other way to read that is Breshke pushing back on Fecal's statement here:

On October 11 2014 05:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think he's doing nothing as well, to be honest. I thought I would get out my thoughts before the day post, in case I got killed. At the end it says "null or I can't think."

I was here for a while and most of that time was dedicated to making a case on breshke. Out of the people who are less active (2-3 page filters) rad, breshke, loaf, and elvis, elvis has done the most work so he is town. Out of the others, I read breshke the most scum based on his entire filter, and loaf less scum. My scum read on you is different than these people. You seem to be poking at me like you did last game, except a lot harder. Almost as if you are thinking the same as breshke, even.


which is also a questionable stance to take right before you throw out some townie advice from some other game that contradicts his own stance.

The question to Breshke was necessary because if I just come out and point that shit out point blank, it's like giving the answer to the question before the question had a chance to play out.

On October 11 2014 14:48 loafery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 11:23 Rad wrote:
On October 11 2014 10:24 Superbia wrote:
Rad, what are you thinking?


I'm thinking I'd like to know why he waited an entire day to come back to the thread after this bs about waiting to post until I respond to him:

On October 09 2014 09:40 loafery wrote:
On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:
On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:
On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:
@The_Zen_Man

Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point.

The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them.

What have you done the entire game?

1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.

No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game:

On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?


On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why?


He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged.

(I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands)

2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.

Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

3. 0 scum hunting

This is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it.

I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else.

##Vote: The_Zen_Man


you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town.


Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing.

Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all.


what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts.


So you've had a day to think about it. WHATCHA THINK? You going to tell us or would you prefer to just sit there looking like a newbie passing judgement.

And I'm also wondering why the hell he's still pushing for a vet claim. My brain is going to explode.

And finally, I'm wondering why he thinks anyone would be cool with him just disappearing for a whole day only to pop back up with a tiny, useless list of his thoughts and a 2 hour limit in which he'll answer questions or some shit.

What a fucking team player that guy is. I don't know how to read him though so /tableflip

Back to lanning with friends =/


discreditting me by calling me newbie because i called you out as scum when we're all playing the newbie game is really smart.


I've called you a newbie the whole game so clearly this has nothing to do with your random view of my alignment. At first it looked like cute newbie town not knowing the rules, but by playing the newbie card the entire game and consistently looking clueless, you've become unreadable, and that's scary.

Post coming up of my current thoughts.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:14 GMT
#636
Elvis and Breshke - From the perspective of looking at each person on their own, I lean towards Breshke being town and Elvis being scum. With that said, the way this day has played out, it feels like a townie debate with others sitting back and ganging up on Breshke because he's harder to understand. I refuse to lynch either of them with how it stands currently.

Super and abuse - leaning a bit town on abuse, a bit scum on super. This post from super has me worried:

On October 12 2014 03:34 Superbia wrote:
Elvis are you willing to ride or die with Breshke being scum?


It's very easy to set Elvis up if Breshke flips town here, and with Elvis's vote ALREADY on Breshke, I can't figure out any good reason to ask this question beyond setting up an easy d3 town lynch.

The pressure super put on fecal seemed great but he just... dropped that shit out of no where. Then this gem here I really don't know how to read beyond scummy as all hell:

On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
super has the biggest filter, the most content and had a super good day 1.


And super AGREES with it? WHAT!

On October 11 2014 23:12 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 23:07 abuse wrote:
On October 11 2014 22:18 Superbia wrote:
Abuse confirmed worst player ever. I've demonstrated before that I'm fine with sitting back. I'm not going to "do something" if I'm still iffy myself on who's mafia.


ok. Then start finding scum as you said you would do so many times already instead of just pointing a finger at rad and saying that he is scum.
Until you do that, my vote stays here.


"Hey start finding scum instead of finding scum". I poured all my energy into a good tunnel D1 and it got us a misslynch. I also haven't caught anyone "slipping" or whatever. My read on Rad envelops pretty much all his posts.


How the hell is any tunnel of a townie a good tunnel? Super can't even admit he was wrong, especially of the LIE case he made against zen at first, which turned out to be utter bullshit after the zen town flip. So the LIE case was a good tunnel eh? Brilliant!

loaf - Scummy as fuck, newbie as fuck, or combination of both. I have no idea. He's a complete wildcard to me and dangerous to town regardless of his alignment.

Fecal - If superbia's scum, fecal's definitely scum. If fecal's scum, superbia's either scum buddy trying to look disconnected from fecal by tunneling him, or fecal was trying to use him because he most openly presents himself as the town leader.

My vote stays on fecal but I'm completely open to a loaf lynch. I'm undecided on superbia because I actually do believe his scum hunting so far has been pretty damn good, but a good scum is also able to scum hunt seemingly well.

@abuse - most of your post was directed at me but you ended with a small paragraph about super and a vote on him. Was this a pressure move or did you have more on him than you were posting?

@Breshke - so was fecal giving you good advice or trying to save his scum partner?
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:47 GMT
#660
On October 12 2014 05:30 abuse wrote:
30 mins left and I don't know where to go from here.


Just park your vote on your biggest scum read. There's really nothing else we can do.

My vote on fecal stems from... well shit, probably the same logic that help you come to your conclusion on loaf (but with a different conclusion of course).

Elvis and Breshke - the way the day's played out, this just feels like a townie fight
Superbia - I like his play style and it reads townie to me, but some of his actual actions read scum to me
You - your involvement reads town to me but the way you pushed for vet felt very scummy to me
Loaf - unreadable

And so we're left with Fecal. 1 of 4 on zen. Useless contributions, unclear reason to vote zen, some posts that feel like scum slips, and his interactions with superbia as of late make me raise an eyebrow to both. Is he scum? Hard to tell, could just be not putting much thought into his posts which would make him newbie town but still town. I come to the conclusion on him based on everyone else, with superbia, elvis or loaf most likely being his scum partner if he flips scum.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:47 GMT
#662
Yeah superbia. Let's just kill who the fuck ever right??
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:50 GMT
#669
On October 12 2014 05:48 abuse wrote:
a vet push is not scummy. If you can even call what I did a push.


Please see my post that analyzed the way you suggested a vet claim. No reason to get into a bitching argument about this right now, I do not consider you lynch worthy here.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:51 GMT
#671
On October 12 2014 05:50 abuse wrote:
What scumslips by fecal are you talking about, Rad..?
I still have not gotten an answer to you about what your deal with him is.


See the interactions between him and super where super push him after fecal did some sort of future read, and the bit about fecal claiming super had a super good day 1.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:53 GMT
#675
On October 12 2014 05:52 Elvis! wrote:
Mafia's more a game of brains than guts, right?


Sometimes gut instinct is more right than the overthinking brain Especially in mafia.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:54 GMT
#678
See this post:

On October 11 2014 08:50 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote:
In fact, rad. Why the fuck did that make you doubt your read on me?


*SIGH* Superbia... it was a pressure move.

4 people on Zen at the lynch. Probably at least 1 scum on him. Possibly 2.

How do you go from pressuring him like that to letting him off the hook so easily and stopping me in my tracks?

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:17 Superbia wrote:
Lol, who are you mafia with?


Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:45 Superbia wrote:
So it was a future-read? Sick.


Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 05:47 Superbia wrote:
So let me get this straight: You scumread me at EoN1 because I'm poking you during D2?


Some advice from D1 Superbia.

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 05:33 Superbia wrote:
If you want to pressure someone, you pressure them. If other people are pressuring them, you should be happy.


I'll find fecal's actual quote also
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:54 GMT
#679
Sorry check the third nested quote there for super's quote.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:57 GMT
#681
Hard to find it, but your post suggests you know what I'm talking about now. I'll keep looking.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 20:58 GMT
#684
it goes down on page 27
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 21:10 GMT
#712
I'm here.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 11 2014 21:11 GMT
#716
I've not disappeared at all abuse. What would you prefer me to do? Start pointing fingers without giving any thought to it?
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