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On October 07 2014 15:25 Breshke wrote:
sorry guys ive been fairly sick so my sleep routine is all over the place at the moment.
Loafery why did you decide to refer to yourself as confirmed town? I was actually reading you as town until you said this. You shouldn't try to be using yourself misreading the setup to prove you are town it can easily be faked.
Is there any reason why I can't call myself town? Those two seemed to read me as town so I followed suit.
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On October 08 2014 07:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:On Superbia: On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? Then on loaf: I really don't like his posts either, and for now he is my top 1 mafia ( Superbia is second ) and I'll ##FoS loaf. The reason are the following: 1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked. On October 07 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:Wow, lots to see already. @Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town? @loafery - a game that elaborate and town just decided to mass role call? So sad  Couple questions for you: How often over the past year have you had games similar to that? Is it the kind of game you're used to or do you play more games with sane rules like this one? Do you think mafia will be incapable of giving you positive vibes? Is town capable of giving you negative vibes? You've reached the "not scum" conclusion for Superbia and Fecalfeast pretty quickly, why is that? Only the one. Most games were complicated having multiple power roles. I'm sure they're capable. This too. Haven't done anything suspicious and ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me. Here he gives really weak reasoning for calling these people town. I can imagine it to be a clever strategy to try to make some people read you more town by telling them how "great they are" (they get called town for not being suspicious? How is that special townie behaviour? It just sounds like a null read for me.
Also people like to "be right" and get applauded for their decisions, so saying "ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me" is supposed to make ff like loaf and maybe even defend him later on / vote for other people / chase after everyone except him / just work together in general. Especially for newbies it can be nice to get approved by someone.2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different. Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1? 3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia. Some quotes to support this: On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. If I were scum I would surely do all these things I believe are read to be scum. Suuuuuuure.On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 15:23 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. I don't care what you did at that point. What I care is what you did afterwards. How the hell can you call yourself confirmed town for something like this. That is scummy beyond belief. Also all the things I mentioned in this post you quoted. You have not addressed any of the issues I point out. Please do so and do so well. Otherwise, no way in hell am I removing my vote from you. Right now it seems like you're using the excuse of a newbie to make everyone wear gloves while around you. You're signaling that you are definitely town based on a incredibly stupid reason which is in no way alignment indicative, you imply that people should not chase you or suspect you, you also trust 2 people in the game already, after no real interactions at all and you're trying to buddy them. All this makes absolutely no sense from a town mindset. It comes from a mindset of scum who wants to stay below radar and does not want people to read their posts and judge their posts. The goal of such a mindset, is "I want to get in as many towncircles as possible and stay below the radar" not "I want to find and lynch scum" I am not coming very overreactive. You slipped hard. And your defense so far was trash, and nonexisten. Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible.
Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles.
And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention.
I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed? "Now I'm in the center of attention" (... that I'm now desperately trying to get out of...)loaf, I'm sorry for (maybe) uncovering some of your strategies, but being not mafia in totally obvious ways doesn't get you any closer to being townie. I really like this post but could you explain this last sentence? I don't think I'm reading it right.
i'm sure it means i'm not pushing anyone to be scum and am just defending why i'm most likely town. It was probably a mistake on my part to mention off forum games as people have a prejudice of he's experienced so why make a noob move like that. I can't take back what I said so I can't really blame myself.
And ppl are so tunneling on me because I'm the only one that made any content. No one was talking about the game when it started.
There's so much questions for me only and no one is questioning each other its just so unfortunate.
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"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."
for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.
I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...
But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me.
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On October 08 2014 07:57 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."
for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.
I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...
But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me. You want to read him scummy but.... Will you elaborate on why you don't?
where does it say I don't? I am reading him as scum.
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Firstly I don't really get what the difference is between calling myself town and confirmed town.
And for abuse to pick up on this and accuse me of being scum seems a little far fetched to me.
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On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.
you are awfully staying in the background and letting others do the work while you just ask questions and try to care about twhats going on. I have a scum read on you right now.
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On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you? You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum? Why are you taking the easy route here?
Yea this made me tilt my head too.
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On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:On Superbia: Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone. Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it. Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him" @Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia? Then on loaf: I really don't like his posts either, and for now he is my top 1 mafia ( Superbia is second ) and I'll ##FoS loaf. The reason are the following: 1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:Wow, lots to see already. @Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town? @loafery - a game that elaborate and town just decided to mass role call? So sad Couple questions for you: How often over the past year have you had games similar to that? Is it the kind of game you're used to or do you play more games with sane rules like this one? Do you think mafia will be incapable of giving you positive vibes? Is town capable of giving you negative vibes? You've reached the "not scum" conclusion for Superbia and Fecalfeast pretty quickly, why is that? Only the one. Most games were complicated having multiple power roles. I'm sure they're capable. This too. Haven't done anything suspicious and ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me. Here he gives really weak reasoning for calling these people town. I can imagine it to be a clever strategy to try to make some people read you more town by telling them how "great they are" (they get called town for not being suspicious? How is that special townie behaviour? It just sounds like a null read for me.
Also people like to "be right" and get applauded for their decisions, so saying "ff read me as town with good reasoning instead of chasing after me" is supposed to make ff like loaf and maybe even defend him later on / vote for other people / chase after everyone except him / just work together in general. Especially for newbies it can be nice to get approved by someone.2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different. Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1? 3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia. Some quotes to support this: Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. If I were scum I would surely do all these things I believe are read to be scum. Suuuuuuure.Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 15:23 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote:
where on earth is the "good reasoning".
Why is it wrong to chase you.
How on earth can you trust them based something like that.
Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell.
"I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. I don't care what you did at that point. What I care is what you did afterwards. How the hell can you call yourself confirmed town for something like this. That is scummy beyond belief. Also all the things I mentioned in this post you quoted. You have not addressed any of the issues I point out. Please do so and do so well. Otherwise, no way in hell am I removing my vote from you. Right now it seems like you're using the excuse of a newbie to make everyone wear gloves while around you. You're signaling that you are definitely town based on a incredibly stupid reason which is in no way alignment indicative, you imply that people should not chase you or suspect you, you also trust 2 people in the game already, after no real interactions at all and you're trying to buddy them. All this makes absolutely no sense from a town mindset. It comes from a mindset of scum who wants to stay below radar and does not want people to read their posts and judge their posts. The goal of such a mindset, is "I want to get in as many towncircles as possible and stay below the radar" not "I want to find and lynch scum" I am not coming very overreactive. You slipped hard. And your defense so far was trash, and nonexisten. Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible.
Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles.
And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention.
I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed? "Now I'm in the center of attention" (... that I'm now desperately trying to get out of...)loaf, I'm sorry for (maybe) uncovering some of your strategies, but being not mafia in totally obvious ways doesn't get you any closer to being townie.
1. how else am i supposed to defend?
2. I don't think external factors of whether I have previous experience with this kind of setup should be used in an arguement.
3. is it possible to point stuff out that a mafia might do without getting scrutiny.
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On October 08 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 09:19 loafery wrote:
Firstly I don't really get what the difference is between calling myself town and confirmed town.
And for abuse to pick up on this and accuse me of being scum seems a little far fetched to me. From my understanding confirmed town is when you have been checked by a cop and the mod has told them you are town. I can't speak for abuse but you calling yourself confirmed town in my eyes seemed like you were trying to ride off your dumb tell of not knowing the setup don't take yourself off the table for day one which is scummy because you shouldn't be trying to confirm yourself you should be trying to find mafia.
So what your saying is if a mafia is pushing someone for lynch they would be read as town?
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On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."
for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.
I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...
But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me. Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer. I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today? Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town.
How would players reading me as town be scummy?
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On October 08 2014 09:53 Superbia wrote:All right. So zen is probably scum here. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Hi guys, sorry for being absent for a while. I'm afraid i'm going to be absent a few hours after this as well, but after that I can play for real. I thought i should do a quick analysis on loafrey, as he seems the most scummy to my eyes. Why does zen think he had to do a quick analysis on loaf here? Why does he not exercise a little patience and make a better case later on? Why does he feel the need to get a push out on someone quickly (before others)? This feels like mafia trying to get some easy town points by getting some easy reads out. Town has no need to rush here. There is no EoD in sight. Mafia wants to appear townie, how do they do that? By getting out easy reads and easy pushes. This is one of them. Hence, zen is scum. So there is a theme running through zen's post that I want to specifically look at: Zen did not read the thread well. This comes up in a later post during which he exclaims: Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Ok, so I read trough the thread better this time and it seems like most of my arguments, like someone already mentioned, had already been said by abuse. Now, assuming this is true (more on this later), my point of "why did you need to feel the need to rush out a push" becomes more prominent. After all, abuse was already starting a push on loaf. Why would town feel a need to push on loaf here? It's already being done. Again, this is scum trying to get easy town points. This leads me to a contradiction between zen's two posts. You see, zen said that he did not read the thread well before he posted his initial post, but in said post he says: Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:
But as stated before, saying that you are confirmed townie is very scummy behavior. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:It might have been poorly worded or misinterpreted by others, but some of your behaviour after is also kind of strange. This means that zen did read abuse's push on loaf. It was, after all, abuse who stated "saying that you are confirmed townie is very scummy behavior". Moreover, the behaviour "after" was interaction with abuse, which zen claimed he did not read (though he clearly did). He even quotes abuse's push in his push. What is zen doing!? This is such a blatant lie and super scummy. Again, zen is scum. Now, during this entire push zen stays absolutely non-committed in his read. In the end zen only "Finger of Suspicion"s him, which honestly translates to "I will join this wagon if it takes off, lol" for me. If zen is not at all confident in his read, why is he making a push? Again, zen wants to fetch town points here but at the same time does not want to get any shit if he flips town. It feels like zen is making the push here so he doesn't get pinged out for inactivity, which mafia is terrified of. The above reasons are why I am voting for zen and I'm expecting town to vote with me. Let's fucking hit scum d1. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man
This whole post seemed reactionary to what many people have said about you so I can't fully trust this post. And your basic reasoning in trying to lynch zen is that he is following a band wagon. I'm still reserving my read on zen until he posts more and I'd like him to respond to this post.
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On October 08 2014 09:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 09:45 loafery wrote:On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote:On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."
for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.
I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...
But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me. Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer. I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today? Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town. How would players reading me as town be scummy? The reasons they have said you were town, do you agree with them? You say abuse is jumping on small things to call you mafia then on what grounds do you think ff and superbia are calling you town? If you are town wouldn't you be a bit suspicious that when most of the players are of the mindset that you are scum two of them say you are town with hardly any reasoning.
Only ff gave me any solid reason in which i beleieve to be true so I have him as a town read. Super didn't really do anything to convince me but they were lumped together with ff initially at the start so my reads were also mistakenly lumped as well. I was wrong about super he's scummy. FF stated his reasons and backed off his claims. Super didn't do anything looking back.
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On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".
But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.
Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting.
still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm.
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On October 08 2014 10:27 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote:On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".
But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.
Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting. still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm. So did you read the entire post or not? Were you like "oh I'm not reading it because he's scum". Or did you read it and conclude I was scum? How does this work? If you think my case is good then stop reading me as scum. If you think my case is bad please tell me why it's bad.
your reasons seem arbitrary i don't see why it matters whether he lies/slipsup upon reading abuses' posts or the thread. You don't have any other reason than that. It's like you're desperately trying to find any fault in zen to take the heat off of yourself.
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On October 08 2014 10:49 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
I never meant to make it sound like loaf is town, though I did use the word town. What I should have said, in hindsight, is 'I no longer read loafery scum based on his explanation of his misunderstanding.'
What? Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:21 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 07 2014 10:18 loafery wrote:
Yup everyone had a role and all we had to do was reveal our roles and i think it ended on day 2. Exactly why this guy is town. He wanted a free win. That's more than just using the word town. That's straight up claiming he IS town. How are you so sure of his intentions? ##FoS Fecalfeast Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
Rad, anything else to add to the discussion of lurkers? I see you're thinking the same as I am regarding the low activity players but you've spent most of your posts discussing what other people are saying. Anything from your point of view to add? You mentioned superbia disliking the wagon, what does that tell when compared to the way he is playing? Anything?
It tells me that he recognizes the wagon on loaf is sketchy as hell. I agree with his assessment. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.] Mind sharing who else is on your scum list? Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much. @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you? You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum? Why are you taking the easy route here? It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why? Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... Just vote, you can always retract your vote. Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply?
i think this is just bad town play by ff not recalling what he wrote exactly...i mean no one has their own filters up while making a post do they.
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On October 08 2014 10:52 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:41 loafery wrote:On October 08 2014 10:27 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote:On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".
But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.
Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting. still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm. So did you read the entire post or not? Were you like "oh I'm not reading it because he's scum". Or did you read it and conclude I was scum? How does this work? If you think my case is good then stop reading me as scum. If you think my case is bad please tell me why it's bad. your reasons seem arbitrary i don't see why it matters whether he lies/slipsup upon reading abuses' posts or the thread. You don't have any other reason than that. It's like you're desperately trying to find any fault in zen to take the heat off of yourself. Why is he lying? Why is he rushing to make a push? Do you feel that the general mindset behind his post came from a townie perspective. Again, please stop being vague about this. I've explained the scum-rationale behind it. If you have any additional questions please feel free to ask, but if you don't agree with it you need to be specific. Do you feel like I'm lying about it coming from a scummy perspective? Are all the points I brought up not relevant and scummy? Also want to point out that there is relatively little heat on me, and I don't get pressured into anything as either alignment.
i beg to differ there has been several ppl calling you out for just staying in the background letting others do the work.
for the answers you're looking for we have to wait for zen to reply.
Don't you think mafia would just say that they agree with abuse or just stay quiet rather than just make a massive post.
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On October 08 2014 11:01 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:59 loafery wrote:On October 08 2014 10:52 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:41 loafery wrote:On October 08 2014 10:27 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote:On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".
But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.
Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting. still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm. So did you read the entire post or not? Were you like "oh I'm not reading it because he's scum". Or did you read it and conclude I was scum? How does this work? If you think my case is good then stop reading me as scum. If you think my case is bad please tell me why it's bad. your reasons seem arbitrary i don't see why it matters whether he lies/slipsup upon reading abuses' posts or the thread. You don't have any other reason than that. It's like you're desperately trying to find any fault in zen to take the heat off of yourself. Why is he lying? Why is he rushing to make a push? Do you feel that the general mindset behind his post came from a townie perspective. Again, please stop being vague about this. I've explained the scum-rationale behind it. If you have any additional questions please feel free to ask, but if you don't agree with it you need to be specific. Do you feel like I'm lying about it coming from a scummy perspective? Are all the points I brought up not relevant and scummy? Also want to point out that there is relatively little heat on me, and I don't get pressured into anything as either alignment. i beg to differ there has been several ppl calling you out for just staying in the background letting others do the work. for the answers you're looking for we have to wait for zen to reply. Don't you think mafia would just say that they agree with abuse or just stay quiet rather than just make a massive post. Mafia generally doesn't hide like that. If you're not proactive you will get called out.
yes you weren't proactive before anyone called you out. Then you make this claim on zen and immediately vote him as scum while not even waiting for his response. A bit too quick to rush into thing imo.
Mafia hides. Gets called out. Makes claim with an arbitrary post on reasons I can't agree with. So scummy.
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super you're picking at technicalities in zen's post which don't mean anything. saying he didn't read through the thread doesn't mean he didn't read anything at all. I don't like how you're knick picking at wording when i also faced the same scrutiny of town and "confirmed town"
I seriously want zen to post to clear this up. I don't want ppl to be lynched based on wording and the accusations of trying to win town points.
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just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town?
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