As an aside, also I keep pushing it off b/c stuff comes up, but I don't think the points you made against Koshi were too valid. First point is a phrasing thing I think you are reading into, second is letting people do legwork could be a town playstyle (like yam did in Storm 2), wanting lynch could be town (for my reason of wanting lynch) and something else but it's not too important right now.

Quick thoughts on Oats for sake of completeness?

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 19:51 GMT

#1518

Could you help me out here? It's like Syl did the "imma claim" and you guys all figured out he claimed acolyte before he said so. What post am I missing?

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 19:52 GMT

#1522

Also, geript, I don't think your understanding of how soup works is correct. If they ever do a single successful soup and then mess up in the same night, they get revealed. It's not like a "one guess free" thing. Like N1 they did the witch kill to get a necro rolecop off rather than souping for no roles.

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 19:54 GMT

#1523

On September 11 2014 04:51 geript wrote:

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There's a big difference when I'm consistently hitting 10-12 in 2-3 days in my town games and getting 6-7 maybe in 3 days in my scum games. In the Game I had a stacked mafia team which carried the fuck out of me despite me trying to bus the fuck out of my team. You'd be surprised how good filter length is as a judge of my alignment.

Right, I'd say the same of me but I've learnt over time that it doesn't carry as much weight as I think it does.

To be clear you think Syl is town at this point?

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 19:56 GMT

#1524

On September 11 2014 04:51 slOosh wrote:
Could you help me out here? It's like Syl did the "imma claim" and you guys all figured out he claimed acolyte before he said so. What post am I missing?

Oh nvm I found it.

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:07 GMT

#1532

Ehhh I'm looking at Syl's claim and stuff, and I don't see how it exclusively has to be mafia. I'm reading it as town making a poor play. I mean, the thing about acolyte and not reading the role info so he doesn't accidentally slip who inquisitor is? I can totally see town doing that. I find it extra hard to see a scum fake claiming that and then putting that piece of information in. It's like, authenticating at how off the wall it is.

I think as mafia you could fake claim a handful of the other ones.

Ehh I think it's confirmation bias where you say ok Syl is mafia, does his fake claim make sense? Yes I can see how a mafia fake claiming acolyte could be benefitial to mafia but it doesn't necessarily mean that Syl is that mafia.

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:09 GMT

#1534

On September 02 2014 21:19 Palmar wrote:
Soup: Instead of using the Witch Kill, any member of the Witch's coven can instead drink a cursed Soup. The Witch will take a sip, then name a player and a role, then drink again and repeat the process.

What this means is the witches will match players to roles, as many as they like. Each correctly matched player will die. The Soup kill goes through any protection and cannot be stopped. If the Witch guesses a role incorrectly, the Witch's identity will be revealed, along with the target in this format: "playername the witch tried to kill targetname the [incorrect role] but failed". However, if first the Soup target is incorrect, the witch will not be revealed and the message will instead read "a witch tried to kill targetname the [incorrect role] but failed". The Crusader will not be allowed to make a revenge kill if killed by Soup, and the Martyr will not have an opportunity to save anyone from the Soup kill.

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:13 GMT

#1537

On September 11 2014 05:11 ritoky wrote:
like i said earlier, maybe i do have some confirmation bias; maybe i am wrong and equating terrible play = mafia, hence why i moved my vote. that said i don't think i am wrong. and i have had pretty amazing reads as town in my 3 most recent games and been talked down off them. so this time i am hesitant to back off my read.

Right. You could very well be right. But geript is right in the sense of we are really close to deadline and I don't think we are able to come to a definitive conclusion of the Syl matter, and so we are coming up with a good contingency plan i.e. back up lynch.

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:14 GMT

#1538

Oh shoot missed your haruRH vote. Hrmm.... man my reads have been changing pretty drastically.

Are the lynch options essentially boil down to "they aren't playing the game"? Or do people have more objections of them?

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:18 GMT

#1541

Like, it's really annoying that HaruRH , Damdred, LoneMeow and Oats are subjects of lynch discussion and none of them are available / here. Man ...

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:38 GMT

#1547

Yes rayn is here good.

rayn I'm less excited about geript lynch compared to last night. This mainly through my talk with ritoky, I can see how town could suspect Syl as fakeclaiming mafia. With the D1 defense thing, I just read it, it seems like he was ok with the no lynch b/c judge and may not have defended you because you weren't in real danger of being lynched (only hit 5 votes at deadline).

Yea, not too sure about geript anymore.

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:39 GMT

#1548

Like, basically ritoky is a town example of what geript is doing so I could see a town geript doing what he is doing (doubting Syl claim and trying to get a backup lynch going since Syl lynch most likely just won't happen today)

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:41 GMT

#1549

On that note I'm basically PoE at this point when I say my lynch pool is HaruRH / Damdred / Oats / LoneMeow, the group of which I have not much conviction in since I've been shifting my reads so drastically recently.

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 20:47 GMT

#1551

No, I'm quite sure rayn is town. The read goes both ways. His lynch pool is essentially the same as ours, just slightly altered with geript as scum.

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 21:09 GMT

#1568

I'm here reading filters trying to decide which one is best

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 21:15 GMT

#1572

Yea I'm gonna vote Oats now

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 21:26 GMT

#1574

Does Oats ever bus as scum?

slOosh

3291 Posts

September 10 2014 21:33 GMT

#1577

Yea I don't see Oats and Koshi both scum, which means if Oats is scum then there are two other scum with him. I don't see Oats LoneMeow both scum either so it leaves Oats HaruRH and Damdred / Syl by process of elimination since I really don't see Robik as scum.