EPTOn September 08 2014 14:55 slOosh wrote:
How is taking a stance on a dead person helpful?
How is taking a stance on a dead person helpful?
are you dense?
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right, because let's not consider that it's a no-flip game, so it's more like video mafia than regular forum mafia where speculation on the alignment of the dead is valuable information. that aside, there is NO VOTING RECORD. this was decided by 1 person, so we have no record of people's thoughts on the matter. why the hell do you want less information in the thread? | ||
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On September 09 2014 01:53 geript wrote: In video mafia it's also 100% correct to not speculate on the dead. It's literally worthless information there too. i would rather not sit around and debate a difference in process with you, but needless to say, you're wrong. also i could care less if you think it's worthless. respond to it anyway. | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote: Can you tell me why you think its off Robik? Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did? koshi, hit or miss? NOW | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:33 Damdred wrote: HIT On September 05 2014 01:58 Damdred wrote: Fraid so, just got my new phone so I can post whenever I want now. One thing right now is that robik says he got a scum read on rayn, but doesn't want to talk about it to avoid pressure? What is that? If you think someone is scum you should press it and try to destroy the scum, its robik why is he scared of pressure? And not sure why if rayn is scum it would make him nervous of ger From rereading filters so far and catching up I like gooble, asks some good questions and it seems to have some follow up. And Koshi is not his normal self it feels like. I know he says hes tring a new non mass posting thing, but pregame he said he would be posting lots and a lot of his posts lack a ton of content and some of his reads lack some explanations. Asks a lot of questions without drawing conclusions once asked it seems. This is pretty much your first real post of the game, then you don't push him in any way; so if you are confident he was a hit then why weren't you pushing on him? | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote: I wasn't as confident before i reread the game, and I got distracted by Sloosh going on me like he did got to defensive. what made you more confident now? also what else did you change your mind on? | ||
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On September 09 2014 03:20 IAmRobik wrote: Hey Ritoky, do you think that Koshi was a hit or a miss? You forgot to answer your own question. based off of how many people say he's a hit over a miss, I might actually believe that he's a miss I would like to answer after all or the majority of the thread has stated their opinion because i feel that koshi did something VERY alignment indicative toward the end of the day; but if you would like it now i can share. | ||
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On September 09 2014 04:01 yamato77 wrote: Does it matter? I thought he looked bad D1 but there's nothing exactly definitive. yes it does matter to me, hit or miss? | ||
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On September 09 2014 04:10 Damdred wrote: Yeaaaaaa sureee you can go with that. Must be easy to scum read someone based on something that has nothin to do with this game. Ger is twisting meta that isn't even true really to scum read me, and robs using me posting in both places to scum read me. okay, i won't twist anything; i will ask for your word instead. why are you spending significantly more time in the other game than this one? and why did you lie about it to me earlier? | ||
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On September 09 2014 07:01 yamato77 wrote: It's hard to tell if he is basically just going to tunnel sloosh Instead of scum reads, I want people to begin listing people they think are definitive townies. This game is only ever going to work if people begin trusting one another. Define the bolded word lol. Like would never vote on them all game level? 75% sure level? Or just reading them town level? | ||
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you too if you haven't yet rayn. | ||
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robik - thought scum, hesitant after so many people said scum geript - fuck you damdred - scum yamato77 - town sloosh - null, leaning scum oats - assuming scum since he voted on the guy harurh - town rayn - wishywashy scum sylencia - isn't around enough to do anything LM - isn't around enough to do anything Why Koshi was 90% likely SCUM: Almost everyone in the game who has played with Koshi noticed that he was having a severe drop in both anger and activity from his typical town play. Here is me basically summarizing it, cuz I am the amazing Town Jesus: On September 04 2014 13:47 ritoky wrote: i don't think koshi is scum yet; but he is leaning that way. i have only played 2 games with him, and the one where he was town he wanted to actively grab the game by the balls and lead town. the fact that he doesn't want to do that and seems content passing the grail to one of his town reads in geript isn't in line w/ the previous town play i experienced of his. After quite a few people lob accusations of, Koshi felt the need to address it: On September 05 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote: It's the new and improved me. Mass posting is terrible for me because I get insanely caught within the thread. I need to be able to take a step back and look at the thread without bias. It's much better for my reads. I just need people to do the legwork for me. He claimed a change in playstyle. An excuse. It is what mafia do. I have seen mafia claim to be moving as an excuse for inactivity, mafia claim to be sick, mafia claim they had work, on these forums excuses are excuses and in my experience usually made by mafia. HOWEVER, there's 2 interesting tidbits in there. Did you notice them? Let's read the post again but with bolded parts! On September 05 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote: It's the new and improved me. Mass posting is terrible for me because I get insanely caught within the thread. I need to be able to take a step back and look at the thread without bias. It's much better for my reads. I just need people to do the legwork for me. 1) This may just be him not being a native English speaker and me being a bit of an asshole, but read that phrasing. If someone was trying to say they get easily consumed by the thread they would use the phrase "caught up in". However, he says "caught within"; as in if he posts a lot there is something of his to catch. This is probably not very believable to many, but I am a bitch about awkward phrasing, and I don't let it go. 2) "I just need people to do the legwork for me" - Let me translate this for you: "I don't want to contribute to town in any meaningful way." That is mafia mindset plain and simple. Especially coming from Koshi. So we have Koshi's inactivity and absence of anger, along with his excuse. Now after that he kinda cruises through the thread for a bit, with his only real contribution being a scum read on confirmed town who later outed as the Martyr. And then we approach the deadline. On September 07 2014 06:05 Koshi wrote: Let's get majority please. I am willing to sheep. Translation: "I am willing to GUARANTEED LYNCH ANYONE, rather than have the possibility of the judge randomly lynching me". Koshi's mindset was not that of a town, toward the end of the day all he cared about was getting oats to remove him from his tunnel, and getting a majority on ANYONE. That is not town to me in any way. Flat out. I think there is a 90% likelihood that Koshi was mafia. Now that I am pretty sure Koshi was scum, let's look at inconsistencies in what people have claimed: 1) damdred: he gave no real read at all on koshi during day 1; in fact i would say his only substantive interaction with him is rather positive and a softball: On September 07 2014 00:29 Damdred wrote: Koshi, was reading your filter. You seem pretty solid on gobble town and said in one post that her posts make you feel that way. What changed? Was it just because gobble put the vote on you and left for awhile? In a follow up post you said that gobbles early game was scummy. If you thought the early game was scummy why did you have gobble in your town pile to start with? Yet he flips his read entirely after "re-reading the entire thread" and noticing demeanor things about koshi, but not pointing them out to anyone. Do you also "want someone to do the legwork for" you? 2) rayn: this was rayn's stance on koshi faily close to the end of the day: On September 06 2014 13:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am starting to thonk i sheep Koshi tonight. this is rayn's stance on koshi right after the lynch: On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: the problem with this game is the following. there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato. geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says. i was not around for the most of the time. koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that. yamato didn't get anything done. That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia. This is rayn's stance on koshi when asked if it's a hit or miss: On September 09 2014 13:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi can say whatever he wants of "not posting much" or whatever but he can't actyually never do that when he is town. If that progression doesn't disturb you, then I am not really sure what will. 3) robik: his moving of his read to the fence is suspect in my mind. his reason was that "so many people are calling koshi a hit that i am beginning to doubt he was". sorry, but if there's one thing i know about town robik it is that he is confident in his reads to the point of having confidence and gall. your moving of your read to the fence demonstrates a healthy sense of paranoia for most people, but for you it shows wishywashyness in your reads. the last time i saw you go wishywashy you were mafia. what i learned about some people: A) i still want to lynch sylencia so much it is ridiculous. B) geript is probably town, adamant refusal to that extent is a thumbs up in my book C) oats is in a tunnel and probably town, but won't be very helpful. D) a solid read on sloosh still eludes me which makes me inherently think he might be scum. E) fuck LM F) really unsure about giving robik the grail now G) right now would lynch between syl, damdred, and rayn. My town right now: Town Jesus, probably geript, probably yamato77, probably oats, and maybe robik but he falling off. | ||
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On September 09 2014 14:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: what i mean by playing wrong is you cannot read properly or don't understand what you are reading. right because stating someone is wrong, and not why is constructive town behavior. thumbs up | ||
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On September 09 2014 15:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are forgetting the chain of events and what i didn't post (for obvious reasons as the nights are silent): - Koshi makes a case on gobble which i thought was good as i implied - gobble claims, which makes Koshi incorrect - rayn assumes Koshi will act like town leader and push another lynch if he is town (unless he is the judge in which case it would make sense for him to no-lynch aswell as he can decide the lynch by himself) - Koshi does not do that - rayn asks Koshi to help him lynch mafia - Koshi does not do that - N1 becomes - D2 becomes - rayn thinks Koshi was mafia now how does that not make sense? wait...i am an idiot...if he was mafia calling for a majority, then he was calling for one on you. thus you almost certainly aren't mafia if koshi is unless that bus was real. so rayn is most probably town. | ||
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sloosh....idk the guy is an engima to me this game. i felt he was extremely non-committal with all of his reads early on during d1. like he was posturing to see how the day would land. i also remember him getting rly angry about oats' early aggro tunnels on people and since then oats hasn't changed but sloosh stopped criticizing him for it. he does a lot of prompting of people and try to move the game along posts that don't have tons of substance too, and he switched to robik for grail off of me.... did he explain the switch? need to go look through his filter anyways that's a lot of the negatives i can remember, but i also remember thinking he had some redeeming posts, maybe i will find them looking in his filter | ||
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