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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 04:04 GMT
#1634
Vivax has shown kush scum play from games during his high posting time but if you dig into his games played he has a few games that coincide to his busy time and his town activity lines up with this.

Plus if you look at his posts you can see his thought process he's not scared to be wrong admits it, and shows evolution in what he does. Also his struggle he's shown and uncertainty with reads is a kush town tell.

and a town kush is more valuable alive than a dead town kush.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 04:10 GMT
#1638
On phone atm so can't quote much right now.

I'd probably say 3d is still on my radar. He has shown very little later in the day and night cycles.

Vivax because of his insistance that I'm scum and fighting with me for 1/2 the day but voteing on kush for almost the entirity of the day.

Posaibly oats or kit in trying to decide but oats doesn't have much to do on besides the plynch him refusing to play and move off kush
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 04:31 GMT
#1640
I'm not sure if kush is being serious right now
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 04:35 GMT
#1642
I was trying to save you kush. AND we somehow caused a mafia to fail his mission, I had faith in myself so I took a shot.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 04:38 GMT
#1643
Also wife wants sleep I'll be up in about 8 hours
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 12:18 GMT
#1663
If I was so worried about only lynching a townie and was scum, why would I come back throw down a vote that would 100% get all the attention on me when I could just sit there and let it happen. I was sure kush was town so yea
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 12:33 GMT
#1665
Are you serious vivax? So me getting pressure because I fucked off is worse then voting bats before the deadline like I did? Seriously?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 13:13 GMT
#1667
Vivax said I was scum but came off me to kill kush. Or try to anyway, I tried to save someone against another person who I thought could be scum and in the process ended up causing a mafia to fail a mission, or something.

I never had a chance with vivax trying to tear apart everything I wrote yesterday, sometimes you have to vote for someone you aren't sure of over someone you think is town.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 13:29 GMT
#1675
Kit what do you think about oats claiming he was role blocked? Was anyone blocked last night?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 14:34 GMT
#1698
Kit I won't argue with Viv for the rest of the day. I still feel he is misrepresenting him but I won't shit up the thread so we can find mafia.

I'll be on my comp in 2 hours toughly so I can dive better. But you shouldn't make associative cases like you are Viv it kinda sucks.

and I'm not oats was wondering if anyone else got blocked
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 17:08 GMT
#1717
Ok i'm back to the thread, it was a longer drive than I thought it would be.

On September 09 2014 01:37 3d12 wrote:
Oh, and obviously:

##Vote: Damdred

It's very strange you would claim cop and reveal your N1 check, but then not tell us the result of your N2 check... And how are you still alive anyway, if our doctor is dead? Too many contradictions and not enough votes, imo.


This is the craziest post....You even say in a previous post that bats flipped cop...I admit that i lied to save kush. Town won't have two cops in this setup I think ever.

You also give some form of connection between bats vote being on kit early and me late, the only reason bat the cop put his vote on me was he was the cop? Its the most likely answer. I just think you are posting stuff to post stuff 3d.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 17:35 GMT
#1720
Kitaman are you saying that 3d is town based on poofs filter I haven't looked yet
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 17:58 GMT
#1722
I'm interested in kits vote analysis, I have a tinfoil idea about poof but not sure.

Anyway i'm not sure viv, poof always talked about wanting to pressure 3d or he did some. But he never seemed to actually pressure him.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 18:06 GMT
#1724
On September 09 2014 03:03 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:58 Damdred wrote:
I'm interested in kits vote analysis, I have a tinfoil idea about poof but not sure.

Anyway i'm not sure viv, poof always talked about wanting to pressure 3d or he did some. But he never seemed to actually pressure him.


And why do you bring this up if it isn't conclusive for you?


I think, i'm not getting across what i'm saying. What i'm saying is, poof showed that he wanted to pressure 3d but never pressured him. So he was just using an illusion
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 18:17 GMT
#1726
I think hes scum, i've said hes scum since that big post d1.

3D basically ignores poofs pressure and poof magically goes off of him. I do think hes scum.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 18:54 GMT
#1732
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:
Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.

From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
[quote="The_Templar"]
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway


He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.

I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. [/QUOTE]

This post has two buddy points in it, One with me, when he shows appreciation for what I did, and one for bats just town reading him for nothing at this point. Also another thing that I have a problem with in this post is the fact that he wants multiple options by the end of the day

On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote:
Hey everyone, sorry for going MIA yesterday. I got dragged into a bit of a mess IRL that ended up sucking up my night. I lurked the thread on my phone when I could get service, and took down some notes:

Show nested quote +
Notes from last night:
1. The next person to suggest we ignore missions is getting full-on scumread. This topic keeps coming up, very sporadically, and it feels like a few people are trying to echo the idea across the crowd, so it's more acceptable later. Ignoring the mission concept is completely unacceptable and will only serve to hinder us. Stay vigilant for possible mission-like behaviors, everyone. I get the feeling that they would be rather out-of-the-ordinary missions, otherwise the host could have just as well run vanilla. (Sorry for the meta read there, but if anyone wants to refute that, I'm open to hear your case.)

2. Micchan is giving off a serious mafia vibe to me. Not only did his bandwagoning post seem forced ("Ok here whatever" as if he's trying to seem aloof) but the fact that his only other post yesterday was a defensive misdirection, posted only 20 minutes after he was called out. He's either really bad at this game, scum, too busy IRL to play, or any/all of the above.

3. Poofter's reads (specifically the BMK list) seem solid for the most part, but the way he posted and went after Micchan tells me something isn't right. Specifically, the way he's applying pressure to vote. The reads say town, but the pressure says mafia. Nobody on my town list so far has been pushing for a D1 lynch.

4. My posts usually do come across as apologetic. Not just here either. Blame my mother for giving birth within spitting distance of Canada. Anyone reading into that makes it on my scum list, since it looks like they're conjuring fault out of nothing.


With my personal notes out of the way, let's move on to direct responses:

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On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:

On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.


On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.


On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.

##vote 27nb


So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.


EBWOP


If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.

On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?


Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.


Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?


What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.

If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...


Up until this post in the thread, bunnies' biggest contribution to the thread was to town claim for the person she's been buddying/bantering with throughout the whole thread. Suspicious? Yes. Lynchable? Not by itself.

I also particularly disliked the way bunnies was gathering information, going from defensive short-posts to prodding people for their reads and then replying to each one-by-one. Generally, townies are more willing to share their reads, instead of needing to base their perspective on other people's reads.

Today's bunnies is a bit different from yesterday's bunnies, in that she's laid out a list of her reads. No information or explanation, but at least she's sharing. I do like that.

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On September 03 2014 22:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@3d12- you said my read on tehpoofter was silly and based on troll posts, but I think I gave a bit more reasoning than that. why is the read silly to you? What do you think of poofter so far?

Also http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=17#338<--------- Town tehpoof


The read is silly because it was based entirely on meta. A person's meta can change from game to game. This read came from nothing tangible. For example, it would be impossible for me to have the same read on poof because I've never played with him. Since you and I have been exposed to the same information this game, you are using information I have not been exposed to to make a claim on someone else. That is absolutely 100% fishy, would you agree?

As for my reads on poofter, see point 3 from my "last night's notes" above, and my list of reads below.

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On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? I also don't like how a provocative opening instantly makes him townread people.


Anyone else thinking that mderg is trying hard to get some focus on me? I wasn't the only one to nullread/townread bat yesterday. And yes, traditionally from my live mafia experience, provocative openings are usually townies. It's probably an 80/20 split. I never confirmed him green, but I pointed out that bat looked town from the way he opened. If you have a better reason to scumread him instead, why not post your reasoning?

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On September 03 2014 00:05 mderg wrote:
I don't like the batsnacks votes. They seem kinda lazy. Sure, his post didn't make any sense but that's it.


This was all the reasoning I could find in your filter, and it's pretty weak. So, how about it, mderg? Batsnacks: scum or town?


List of reads:

Mafia
ObiWanShinobi (Very non-committal so far, easily switched vote from "troll vote" to batsnacks once it seemed like bat was being scumread. Hesitant to share information. Off-topic posts. Only real redeeming quality so far is calling out kush, very pro-town move.)
mderg (Repeatedly pushing the "ignore the missions" idea, provoking reactions from players while not disclosing any information himself, heavy lurking, generally defensive)
kushm4sta (Tunnel-vision on batsnacks, trying to start a plynch, low activity otherwise)
Micchan (Inactivity, defensive, no thoughts shared, no case built, suspicious bandwagoning)

Mafia-likely (Pink)
TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives)
Oatsmaster (Avoiding all talk about missions, redirecting scum claims towards bat and Obi, not posting thoughts openly)

Neutral (White)
The_Templar (Good expression and information-sharing, challenges unnatural ideas/thoughts, sensibly pieces together a motive. Neutral because of weak (meta/defensive) defense about his role)
Vivax (Strange read on poofter, but otherwise constructs very sensible and well-put-together posts pointing out discrepancies. Without the pink vibe from his accusations toward kita and templar, would likely be very town atm.)
Damdred (No real read yet, seems to be gathering information. Is asking the right questions, but not sharing information openly)
27ninjabunnies (Good info balanced out by suspicious buddying/claiming)

Town
batsnacks (I wasn't sure at first, but after your expose on kita, I know you're looking in the right places. Your investigation is solid and you're providing direct responses to your challenges. I highly doubt kita is scum, but I like the way you think.)
kitaman27 (The main source of information so far imo, this guy is posting very good reads and keeping good notes. Only scummy behavior so far is what was pointed out by Vivax, but without further proof I'm willing to let it slide as a poor choice of words)

All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that.

##Vote: Micchan


This is his EoD post where he discusses his multiple scum reads, in this case 6 scum reads with a lot of neutrals. Never really pushes another one and says the bolded which I still find to be really scummy with what the thread was doing at the time.

Also in fairness, at this point EoD there were very few people active and not another lynch really being pushed.

His argument from obi, seemed forced and a bit fake at that point in the thread as well going into the night.

On September 06 2014 04:06 3d12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 03:48 kushm4sta wrote:
damdred "no scum is that dumb" and "scum would probably never make that argument" are the same thing. one is just exaggerated. but they represent the same mindset.


Maybe it's just me, but I don't like this defensive tone.

##unvote
##Vote kushm4sta

You have one chance from me. I was reading you town prior to today, but now I'm willing to put the batwagon on hold to pin you on this:

Post your updated reads, or explain in clear terms why batsnacks couldn't be scum. You may quote any posts you would like to make this argument, not just the one you were referencing initially.


He actually is starting to town read kush for some of d2, but suddenly hes upset about a "defensive" tone and jumps on him. It does not make sense to me. He does jump off of kush at one point but jumps back on him after some stupid test to see if he could scum read someone off of a mod warning. Then right back on kush even though he was ok with his responses after the ultimatum.

Start of day three, he reinterates about me lying, even though he posted about it night 2. But then proceeded to talk about another check. Just mind blown.

I'm pretty sure this guy is scum and I think after reading some of poof I might understand what his mission was but it sounds a bit tinfoil. I"ll work on my second one now
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 19:45 GMT
#1742
On September 09 2014 04:42 Vivax wrote:
Another interesting thing is that no scum sheeped me on Damdred D2, except for kita if he indeed is.

I think I'll stick to my old D2 plan although the night kill bugged me.

##Unvote
##Vote Damdred


Didn't poof start yelling for everyone to jump on me or kush though? Then he complained his vote did not post, so I guess we won't know and can't proove either way
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 19:49 GMT
#1748
Actually curious Viv, i'm not going to bother fighting with you. But why all of this time have you been shouting that i'm scum but voting kush (majority of last day), now you vote me but spend all of your time screaming kush is scum? I just don't understand
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 19:54 GMT
#1751
It just doesn't make logical sense, you haven't even put a real case against kush out there just some form of flawed meta with no in thread evidence and using some weird form of association scum read based on thinking i'm scum.

Also Kush moved his votes from bats to me also during EoD.

I also think most of the posts you have pointed towards just fit a narrative that you are building to make me look scummy so yea, I think it's a pretty weak play right now.

But I would give you the chance to respond and us drop it so we don't crap up the thread with it.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 20:03 GMT
#1753
I didn't claim to save my ass, i claimed to save townread kush. It's a dumb play but it is what it is, and i'll drop it now.

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