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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22300 Posts
September 05 2014 01:18 GMT
#881
Kush is probably the most underestimated town player on TL. He has become a scum wrecking ball.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 01:19 GMT
#882
On September 05 2014 10:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't really switch my read on 3d12. I haven't actually read him since EoD.

And I'm probably not going to for a while. I don't think he's on the lynch table as of right now because there are far bigger players roaming around right now.


I agree on bigger fish to fry. I don't think hes not worth running up to see how he and others react to the pressure. In my reread I felt he was using that apologetic tone. I think he might kill Templar as well who thought he was townie to gain some credibility. (Or also would not have realized he wasn't being universally town read as well)

I want to hear back on kush but for now I think the newbie needs to grow up.

##Vote 3d12
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 01:20 GMT
#883
On September 05 2014 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 10:13 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 05 2014 10:12 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 05 2014 10:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
Oats/Kita can you explain how you read kush and what your read is on him currently. I've heard from Vivax and generally am starting to agree with him on that.


I was leaning on scum d1, but I'll add to my to-do list.


K if you can what do you use to read him like what metric?


Can't say I have a great way of reading him, but the biggest thing would probably be that he tends to be along for the ride as scum, while as town he will have flashes of opinions without being prompted.


Thanks for that.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 01:21 GMT
#884
On September 05 2014 10:18 Vivax wrote:
Kush is probably the most underestimated town player on TL. He has become a scum wrecking ball.


Oh I agree he impressed me big time in World Cup and then in Heavy Weight. If he had lived passed n1 that game might have gone differently.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 01:31 GMT
#885
Is Everyone watching football or something?

I'm going to update my BMK as of now.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 05 2014 01:40 GMT
#886
On September 05 2014 10:31 Tehpoofter wrote:
Is Everyone watching football or something?


Yes.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 05 2014 01:40 GMT
#887
Really don't care for your 3d vote by the way. Would not fry.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 05 2014 01:54 GMT
#888
Some of this is ok.
ITS NOT REPLICATED THROUGHOUT HIS FILTER MEANS HES SCUM

On September 02 2014 11:11 kushm4sta wrote:
@vivax honestly I don't feel like reading close enough to do what you're asking. Right now I'm filing all active people under "too early to tell" or "town leans".

Batsnacks looks terrible.
Long nonsense post - possibly satisfying a mission. (templar also did a super long shitty post hmm)
Zero content
Unexplained vote

##vote batsnacks

On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.


So why am I scum?
"jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote.
"refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?

On September 04 2014 04:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 07:14 batsnacks wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:48 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:42 batsnacks wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:39 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:35 mderg wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:22 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus?


how so


These give off that feeling to me. I may be thinking too much into it, though.
On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote:
Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help?

On September 02 2014 09:09 3d12 wrote:
Edit-post to fix quote formatting:

On September 02 2014 08:08 The_Templar wrote:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway.


I didn't quote the post directly. Sorry.

On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?



I think thats a stretch I don't think I'd give him townie points for any of these posts as even as a noob you could say them from either alignment. I think its is townie of you to point it out like it seems as if you're looking for scum.



Would you agree that 3d12's posts carry an apologetic tone? If yes, why do you think he is posting this way?


I do think that he is apologetic in nature on his posts. His entrance landed him in the scummy side for me because of the way it agreed with someone who already posted about something I thought was scummy. If hes scum its to try to scoot out of a lynch. He could be town trying to figure things out. He stays as scum for now to me thought.

What about you?


I agree that his tone sounds apologetic but I do not think in his case that this is alignment indicative. Reading his filter, I noticed he has been posting like this since before the game even began. Here are some posts before the game started:

On August 30 2014 00:51 3d12 wrote:
/in

I've never played, so if you're alright with a newbie joining in, then please do sign me up. I've read a few of the guides already though, and it seems like an interesting format. Seems like the type of game that might even be more fun in IRC format.


On August 30 2014 05:50 3d12 wrote:
Sorry for the double-post, but I just wanted to double-check. (And bear with me, this is only the first of what will likely be a deluge of dumb newbie questions)

Is the deadline of 12:30pm PDT the deadline for confirmation, or the deadline to post each day?


Then this is his first post as of the game starting:

On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote:
Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help?


An apologetic tone would usually raise alarm bells for me. Townies are inherently innocent and shouldn't be afraid of saying the wrong thing or accidentally saying too much; they have no reason to apologize. If townies are afraid of speaking their mind that might be an indicator of a poor thread environment. However, since 3d12 has been posting like this since before the game began I believe he's just nervous about playing in general. People have been going after him since his first post so there hasn't even been an opportunity for him to calm down yet. Overall I do not think 3d12's apologies are scummy.


i think this post makes sense. I don't know why people are saying batsnacks is being weird about the apologetic tone. Could be scum defending scum maybe? But it doesn't look like a post scumbatsnacks would make otherwise, just because he has to go so out of his way to find that evidence.

On September 04 2014 23:41 kushm4sta wrote:
over the last few pages which i kind of skimmed for my name I saw a lot of
"kush is mafia because he doesn't give a fuck/low activity"

I don't blame you for not being able reading me as town. But you have to realize that low activity doesn't make me mafia. This is from the pregame for cell mafia:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 00:24 kushm4sta wrote:
i would love to play this game but im not going to have time to play a 20 person game after sept 2.

So basically what I'm saying is low activity doesn't make me mafia.

also totally no followup
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 05 2014 01:54 GMT
#889
##vote kush
Damdred you are cooking slowly but kush requires a bigger fire
No gg, No skill.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 05 2014 01:55 GMT
#890
I'm here now just got off work.

Oats: Why did you say during the night that you were going to 100% lynch me today. And you seemed pretty concrete at that point but then you say that you could sheep the vote on kush? That seems kind of weak for you Oats after reading some of your games.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 05 2014 01:56 GMT
#891
oh oats posted while my phone was loading sad day
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 02:03 GMT
#892
Banks Marry Kill



Marry - I'm going to marry Vivax I think he is playing the most townie out of everyone in the thread. I see him trying and putting in the effort Vivax normally doesn't show as scum.

Bang - Oats - He was a little lack luster at first but his play early on was good. I also liked his point on Damdred about the overjustified voting. Made me move Damdred into my scum list.

Obi - I feel his confidence in his posts. He seems a lot like he did in Heavy Weight where he didn't post much and had short burst of small posts but was townie in his mindset like I feel he is here.

Kitaman - I like his thought process about kush and the way he has been talking to day makes him feel townier to me than before.

KILL 3d12 - I'm not one for newbie passes unless I feel that the newbie is just saying things unintentionally that scum just couldn't/wouldn't say as a new player. I just feel unease and overly apologetic tone from him. I feel he also might have killed Templar to try to cash in on the town cred. 3d12 can you give me some concise view points on everyone that I have in my kill list please? If you're just overwhelmed I can understand but you saw what happened with the Micchan dude not posting and being newer to the forum.

Kush - He was in my bangs yesterday but he has fallen a great deal since then. I'm not getting the give a fuck attitude from you I see in a town!kush. You are going to have to give a lot of fucks soon. Kush run down for me your train of thought for today. I want to see your passion.

27nb - I am NOT getting bunnies town game this time around. She is not posting in the large flourishes and detail she normally does. She also is very agreeable and was right on Templar showing up good on her reads not saying she can't be right but if she continues to be too right I think this could be a situation like I spoke with bats about earlier. I have her down to #3 frankly because I didn't die in the night and I think she would have been someone to push for my kill. Bunnies can you tell me your thoughts on Kush?

Damdred - Oats made a really good point about Damdred's vote early on Micchan being completely over justified. He also has been someone who hasn't stuck out to me in any way. Him hoping on late looking abck on the votes looks really bad. Damdred can you tell me what your feelings are on 3d12/bunnies?


Nullsville: Population: Donkey + 1 - I have Batsnacks in my Donkey pile atm. I feel his play and taunting was unneeded and was doing something I know for myself is a scum tell on me of always wanting to seem right before others should as opposed to having reads come naturally. I am giving him a null instead of scum read for some silly reasons mainly #1 His activity in the thread and general trolliness suggests town to me more than scum. #2 The fight we had earlier in the thread where he justified his taunt seemed townie in the way he was fearlessly battling me on a point I feel like a scum would have conceded to me on. I don't have him as town because frankly the reasons for town reading him are silly at best.

Mderg - He had a similar style post to Damdred which is the scummiest thing I've seen about him besides his general activity which is on the low end. I often see him make/say things from a townie perspecitve like the post where he mentioned "I thought about the missions and think it won't help us much to discuss them" That thought doesn't seem like something a scum would share. I'd like to see more from him in the future as I don't want to let him skate by on something like that.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 02:04 GMT
#893
On September 05 2014 10:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Really don't care for your 3d vote by the way. Would not fry.


I'm using a pressure cooker.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 02:08 GMT
#894
On September 05 2014 10:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote kush
Damdred you are cooking slowly but kush requires a bigger fire


Agreed on this.

Thanks for the read. I really want to see what happens with some pressure on 3d12 as well. I approve of the kush wagon though.

Can we run up both my top scum today please!!
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 05 2014 02:08 GMT
#895
3d Is Mafia, he is quickly moving up my scum charts. Ever since his big post explaining his reads and his lurking and jumping on the hot wagon makes me think hes scum plus his read evolution is odd.

I initially scum read bunnies but going back and rereading her filter, she answered all the questions posed to her. And I am starting to fade pink read her going towards green. She has actually asked some decent questions and pushed whats appearing to be a decent counter wagon on bats and has put pressure on him.

Also my statement about oats still stands, if hes so sure that i'm the lynch today then theirs no reason to go after kush. Build a case on me instead of saying gotta roast kush some before.

And if all it takes to scum read me is me explaining why i'm voting the way i am....we should vote poof off. Also if you look at most of my past games I always hold my vote late 100% of the time. In Guilty Rayn roasts me about my vote as well as other people do and I answer the same thing I do now, I like holding my vote longer so that I can get as much information before I decide on a vote.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 02:08 GMT
#896
My big post should say "Bang* Marry Kill" just fyi.


Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 02:13 GMT
#897
On September 05 2014 11:08 Damdred wrote:
3d Is Mafia, he is quickly moving up my scum charts. Ever since his big post explaining his reads and his lurking and jumping on the hot wagon makes me think hes scum plus his read evolution is odd.

I initially scum read bunnies but going back and rereading her filter, she answered all the questions posed to her. And I am starting to fade pink read her going towards green. She has actually asked some decent questions and pushed whats appearing to be a decent counter wagon on bats and has put pressure on him.

Also my statement about oats still stands, if hes so sure that i'm the lynch today then theirs no reason to go after kush. Build a case on me instead of saying gotta roast kush some before.

And if all it takes to scum read me is me explaining why i'm voting the way i am....we should vote poof off. Also if you look at most of my past games I always hold my vote late 100% of the time. In Guilty Rayn roasts me about my vote as well as other people do and I answer the same thing I do now, I like holding my vote longer so that I can get as much information before I decide on a vote.


What do you think about Kush? Do you have a read on him?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 05 2014 02:17 GMT
#898
Mush is interesting to me. I've read a few of his games during the night, and well it looks a bit more like storm 2 mush then titanic mush or showdown. So just from a meta, I would say he looks a bit scummy
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 05 2014 02:28 GMT
#899
On September 05 2014 11:17 Damdred wrote:
Mush is interesting to me. I've read a few of his games during the night, and well it looks a bit more like storm 2 mush then titanic mush or showdown. So just from a meta, I would say he looks a bit scummy


Do you feel you were over justifying your vote on Micchan? If you had to vote in the next hour who would you vote for?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 05 2014 02:34 GMT
#900
I gave my reasons I voted. I think the reasons are justifiable. So reading it will seem over explained.

and probably 3d right now
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