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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 03 2014 18:57 GMT
#561
miccan's not a terrible lynch so i wouldn't be too sad if that happens.
from skimming filters damdred/nb look scummy to me. not too solid on that yet.

##vote 27ninjabunnies
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
September 03 2014 18:57 GMT
#562
On September 04 2014 03:53 kushm4sta wrote:
obi what are the similarities? im not really seeing them.


Lots of emphasis on the intangibles of people's posts, IE tone and stuff you can't really be called out for. He puts a lot of emphasis on word choice and generally never pressures his scumreads. Kind of exactly like he's playing now.

Also, 3d's last post is awful. Six scumreads, holy shit.
Retired.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 03 2014 18:58 GMT
#563
On September 04 2014 03:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:52 kushm4sta wrote:
signal to noise ratio. it means have a lot of derp and not a lot of content.


Ouch, shots right there.

I thought my posts were pretty good.

what is a post you have made with townie content?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 03 2014 18:58 GMT
#564
On September 04 2014 03:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:53 kushm4sta wrote:
obi what are the similarities? im not really seeing them.


Lots of emphasis on the intangibles of people's posts, IE tone and stuff you can't really be called out for. He puts a lot of emphasis on word choice and generally never pressures his scumreads. Kind of exactly like he's playing now.

Also, 3d's last post is awful. Six scumreads, holy shit.

This is the opposite of my first game of mafia, I think I town-read nearly everyone there?
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TL+ Member
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
September 03 2014 18:59 GMT
#565
On September 04 2014 03:56 batsnacks wrote:
At least one of bunnies/obiwan is mafia. That's two down.


Based on what?

I don't like how 3d12 has 6 scum reads and 2 town reads, one of which is on batsnacks who is questionable at best.


I just mindmelded with this guy. Whoa.
Retired.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 03 2014 18:59 GMT
#566
On September 04 2014 03:58 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:53 kushm4sta wrote:
obi what are the similarities? im not really seeing them.


Lots of emphasis on the intangibles of people's posts, IE tone and stuff you can't really be called out for. He puts a lot of emphasis on word choice and generally never pressures his scumreads. Kind of exactly like he's playing now.

Also, 3d's last post is awful. Six scumreads, holy shit.

This is the opposite of my first game of mafia, I think I town-read nearly everyone there?

ebwop: Also, his two town reads are also extremely shaky while he gives multiple reasons on why everyone is mafia.
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TL+ Member
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
September 03 2014 18:59 GMT
#567
On September 04 2014 03:58 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:52 kushm4sta wrote:
signal to noise ratio. it means have a lot of derp and not a lot of content.


Ouch, shots right there.

I thought my posts were pretty good.

what is a post you have made with townie content?


Well I am biased. lol

But all of them?

I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
September 03 2014 18:59 GMT
#568
On September 04 2014 03:57 kushm4sta wrote:
miccan's not a terrible lynch so i wouldn't be too sad if that happens.
from skimming filters damdred/nb look scummy to me. not too solid on that yet.

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Lol
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 03 2014 19:00 GMT
#569
On September 04 2014 03:58 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:52 kushm4sta wrote:
signal to noise ratio. it means have a lot of derp and not a lot of content.


Ouch, shots right there.

I thought my posts were pretty good.

what is a post you have made with townie content?

On September 03 2014 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 21:04 The_Templar wrote:
On September 02 2014 14:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote:
Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?


repeatedly.


Cough* Bullshit *Cough

Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.

That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.

So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?

Did someone say batsnacks made a terrible post?

Some stuff I think is important right now:

Batsnacks bad post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#166

3d12 says batsnacks is town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#179

Micchan's only post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=10#181

Kita recieves a little pressure on his idea and immediately drops it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=10#185



@ Batsnacks terrible post
Inb4 there are third party roles, BS is fool, and therefore trying to get himself lynched.

@3d12's post
How is posting random useless things, random voting someone, town?
He posted a useless post, random voted Templar, and then disappeared.
Not townie at all, but see above post.
I say if we have a vigi, shoot him. JS

@Micchan's post
Lurkfest incoming

@Kita's post
So In a way, I think the idea of having all votes in an hour early isn't such a bad idea (unless that is mafia's mission).
My thing is, why focus on missions when we need to find mafia? I think it's going to cause a lot of tension and bad reads to focus on squashing missions rather than lynching off the mafia.
Idk

I also don't see how Templar's post was low quality?

@Templar, so why are these posts the most interesting to you?

among others, it's not like he's super mafia and everything
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TL+ Member
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
September 03 2014 19:00 GMT
#570
On September 04 2014 03:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:57 kushm4sta wrote:
miccan's not a terrible lynch so i wouldn't be too sad if that happens.
from skimming filters damdred/nb look scummy to me. not too solid on that yet.

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Lol


Though I can agree on the damdred read.

But he's more null.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 03 2014 19:00 GMT
#571
On September 04 2014 04:00 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:58 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:52 kushm4sta wrote:
signal to noise ratio. it means have a lot of derp and not a lot of content.


Ouch, shots right there.

I thought my posts were pretty good.

what is a post you have made with townie content?

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 02 2014 21:04 The_Templar wrote:
On September 02 2014 14:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote:
Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?


repeatedly.


Cough* Bullshit *Cough

Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.

That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.

So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?

Did someone say batsnacks made a terrible post?

Some stuff I think is important right now:

Batsnacks bad post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#166

3d12 says batsnacks is town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#179

Micchan's only post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=10#181

Kita recieves a little pressure on his idea and immediately drops it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=10#185



@ Batsnacks terrible post
Inb4 there are third party roles, BS is fool, and therefore trying to get himself lynched.

@3d12's post
How is posting random useless things, random voting someone, town?
He posted a useless post, random voted Templar, and then disappeared.
Not townie at all, but see above post.
I say if we have a vigi, shoot him. JS

@Micchan's post
Lurkfest incoming

@Kita's post
So In a way, I think the idea of having all votes in an hour early isn't such a bad idea (unless that is mafia's mission).
My thing is, why focus on missions when we need to find mafia? I think it's going to cause a lot of tension and bad reads to focus on squashing missions rather than lynching off the mafia.
Idk

I also don't see how Templar's post was low quality?

@Templar, so why are these posts the most interesting to you?

among others, it's not like he's super mafia and everything

ebwop: *she sorry
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
September 03 2014 19:00 GMT
#572
@Templar- again. She.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
September 03 2014 19:01 GMT
#573
On September 04 2014 04:00 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 04:00 The_Templar wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:58 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:52 kushm4sta wrote:
signal to noise ratio. it means have a lot of derp and not a lot of content.


Ouch, shots right there.

I thought my posts were pretty good.

what is a post you have made with townie content?

On September 03 2014 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 02 2014 21:04 The_Templar wrote:
On September 02 2014 14:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote:
Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?


repeatedly.


Cough* Bullshit *Cough

Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.

That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.

So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?

Did someone say batsnacks made a terrible post?

Some stuff I think is important right now:

Batsnacks bad post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#166

3d12 says batsnacks is town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#179

Micchan's only post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=10#181

Kita recieves a little pressure on his idea and immediately drops it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=10#185



@ Batsnacks terrible post
Inb4 there are third party roles, BS is fool, and therefore trying to get himself lynched.

@3d12's post
How is posting random useless things, random voting someone, town?
He posted a useless post, random voted Templar, and then disappeared.
Not townie at all, but see above post.
I say if we have a vigi, shoot him. JS

@Micchan's post
Lurkfest incoming

@Kita's post
So In a way, I think the idea of having all votes in an hour early isn't such a bad idea (unless that is mafia's mission).
My thing is, why focus on missions when we need to find mafia? I think it's going to cause a lot of tension and bad reads to focus on squashing missions rather than lynching off the mafia.
Idk

I also don't see how Templar's post was low quality?

@Templar, so why are these posts the most interesting to you?

among others, it's not like he's super mafia and everything

ebwop: *she sorry


Good. lol
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 03 2014 19:01 GMT
#574
On September 03 2014 07:14 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 06:48 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:42 batsnacks wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:39 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:35 mderg wrote:
On September 03 2014 06:22 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus?


how so


These give off that feeling to me. I may be thinking too much into it, though.
On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote:
Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help?

On September 02 2014 09:09 3d12 wrote:
Edit-post to fix quote formatting:

On September 02 2014 08:08 The_Templar wrote:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway.


I didn't quote the post directly. Sorry.

On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?



I think thats a stretch I don't think I'd give him townie points for any of these posts as even as a noob you could say them from either alignment. I think its is townie of you to point it out like it seems as if you're looking for scum.



Would you agree that 3d12's posts carry an apologetic tone? If yes, why do you think he is posting this way?


I do think that he is apologetic in nature on his posts. His entrance landed him in the scummy side for me because of the way it agreed with someone who already posted about something I thought was scummy. If hes scum its to try to scoot out of a lynch. He could be town trying to figure things out. He stays as scum for now to me thought.

What about you?


I agree that his tone sounds apologetic but I do not think in his case that this is alignment indicative. Reading his filter, I noticed he has been posting like this since before the game even began. Here are some posts before the game started:

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 00:51 3d12 wrote:
/in

I've never played, so if you're alright with a newbie joining in, then please do sign me up. I've read a few of the guides already though, and it seems like an interesting format. Seems like the type of game that might even be more fun in IRC format.


Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:50 3d12 wrote:
Sorry for the double-post, but I just wanted to double-check. (And bear with me, this is only the first of what will likely be a deluge of dumb newbie questions)

Is the deadline of 12:30pm PDT the deadline for confirmation, or the deadline to post each day?


Then this is his first post as of the game starting:

Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote:
Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help?


An apologetic tone would usually raise alarm bells for me. Townies are inherently innocent and shouldn't be afraid of saying the wrong thing or accidentally saying too much; they have no reason to apologize. If townies are afraid of speaking their mind that might be an indicator of a poor thread environment. However, since 3d12 has been posting like this since before the game began I believe he's just nervous about playing in general. People have been going after him since his first post so there hasn't even been an opportunity for him to calm down yet. Overall I do not think 3d12's apologies are scummy.


i think this post makes sense. I don't know why people are saying batsnacks is being weird about the apologetic tone. Could be scum defending scum maybe? But it doesn't look like a post scumbatsnacks would make otherwise, just because he has to go so out of his way to find that evidence.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 03 2014 19:02 GMT
#575
dammit, I'm going to run out of power in a second. BRB in 10 minutes moving to library.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 03 2014 19:03 GMT
#576
On September 04 2014 04:00 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:58 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:52 kushm4sta wrote:
signal to noise ratio. it means have a lot of derp and not a lot of content.


Ouch, shots right there.

I thought my posts were pretty good.

what is a post you have made with townie content?

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 02 2014 21:04 The_Templar wrote:
On September 02 2014 14:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:
On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote:
Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?


repeatedly.


Cough* Bullshit *Cough

Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.

That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.

So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?

Did someone say batsnacks made a terrible post?

Some stuff I think is important right now:

Batsnacks bad post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#166

3d12 says batsnacks is town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#179

Micchan's only post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=10#181

Kita recieves a little pressure on his idea and immediately drops it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=10#185



@ Batsnacks terrible post
Inb4 there are third party roles, BS is fool, and therefore trying to get himself lynched.

@3d12's post
How is posting random useless things, random voting someone, town?
He posted a useless post, random voted Templar, and then disappeared.
Not townie at all, but see above post.
I say if we have a vigi, shoot him. JS

@Micchan's post
Lurkfest incoming

@Kita's post
So In a way, I think the idea of having all votes in an hour early isn't such a bad idea (unless that is mafia's mission).
My thing is, why focus on missions when we need to find mafia? I think it's going to cause a lot of tension and bad reads to focus on squashing missions rather than lynching off the mafia.
Idk

I also don't see how Templar's post was low quality?

@Templar, so why are these posts the most interesting to you?

among others, it's not like he's super mafia and everything


I don't see what is difficult about answering those questions like that as mafia.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
September 03 2014 19:03 GMT
#577
On September 04 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:31 mderg wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What did you like about that post? A whole bunch of people hated it because he called batsnacks town for next to no reason.


On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:
Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.

From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:

And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway


He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.

I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.


Not the batsnacks part. Sorry, I should have bolded it and made it more clear.
The bolded part above I like.

Hence my proposal of a second wagon.

I don't see any reason to really like that. It's a reasonable opinion but it's rather generic, if you ask me.


Generic how?

People always want multiple wagons at the end of the day. So his point is not a huge revelation.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
September 03 2014 19:04 GMT
#578
On September 04 2014 04:03 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:31 mderg wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What did you like about that post? A whole bunch of people hated it because he called batsnacks town for next to no reason.


On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:
Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.

From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:

And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway


He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.

I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.


Not the batsnacks part. Sorry, I should have bolded it and made it more clear.
The bolded part above I like.

Hence my proposal of a second wagon.

I don't see any reason to really like that. It's a reasonable opinion but it's rather generic, if you ask me.


Generic how?

People always want multiple wagons at the end of the day. So his point is not a huge revelation.


I suppose.
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Canada1159 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 19:11:04
September 03 2014 19:04 GMT
#579
Vote Count – Day 1


27ninjabunnies (1): Obiwanshinobi, Tehpoofter, kushm4sta
Tehpoofter (0): 27ninjabunnies
The_Templar (1): batsnacks
batsnacks (1): kushm4sta, Obiwanshinobi, 27ninjabunnies
Micchan (6): Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, Oatsmaster, kitaman27, Vivax, mderg, Damdred, 3d12
Obiwanshinobi (0): Oatsmaster
kitaman27 (1): batsnacks
Vivax (1): The_Templar

Not voting (2): Obiwanshinobi, Micchan


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your Country52797 Posts
September 03 2014 19:05 GMT
#580
On September 04 2014 04:03 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:31 mderg wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On September 04 2014 03:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What did you like about that post? A whole bunch of people hated it because he called batsnacks town for next to no reason.


On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:
Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.

From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:

And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway


He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.

I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.


Not the batsnacks part. Sorry, I should have bolded it and made it more clear.
The bolded part above I like.

Hence my proposal of a second wagon.

I don't see any reason to really like that. It's a reasonable opinion but it's rather generic, if you ask me.


Generic how?

People always want multiple wagons at the end of the day. So his point is not a huge revelation.

Well it would be nice to know which wagons there are but hosts fell asleep or something TT
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