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On August 25 2014 00:14 Damdred wrote:
But kel you said (before the radical vote swing) that you were going to probably switch to yamato from xata now you are making it seem like you weren't comi.g off at all.
no that isn't what I was saying at all.
I was going to come off him before the voting swing when he seemed scummy D1 and other town players found him scummy.
When the voting swing really kicked in Xata seemed super fucking scummy and pushed on Yam so I wasnt going to change at that point.
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On August 25 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 11:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 11:07 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Kelsier, have you ever played mafia before? Ask a better question Give a better answer. Ok so you have nothing useful. I am going to give my reads so far. I like Robik as top town so far. I don't know him personally but I don't think mafia comes out early and calls someone stupid. Kind of like dam because he seemed to actually read a bit deeper into my first post. I like turtle because of his poem and he tried to focus town away from useless discussion. I wouldn't lynch these 3. Wave and Bear both seem kind of useless and weak so far and I would happily kill either of them Lynch him. Early town pass for Robik with shitty reasoning / n1 says we should focus on people who are not in Robik's lynch when everybody agrees that this solely isn't a good option.
Seemed like a good reason to me. This was really, really early in the game and it seemed like Robik was town.
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So I have had a bit of time to reread Dam's play D1 and the votes etc. Here is where I am at.
1) I still think his early game was town, him and wave had a bit of back and forth but Dam had a very long post where he disputed a lot of what WoS had said. Then rayn jumped in with a similar read to WoS which again Dam disputed, each time I think his responses were good and felt town.
2) He started getting a scum vibe of Xata around the same time I did and he was analysing the Xata, Hapa, Yam attack on rayn the same way I did, this also inclines me to believe he is town.
3) He backed off his scum read of WoS and had a town read of him at the moment when WoS really started playing strong town which felt genuine. I had the same impression of WoS. Another town point.
4) VA gave him a scum read. I think at the time I gave VA a town pass because the read felt towny but considering how VA looks pretty scum to me now. This lends me to believe Dam is town.
5) He voted Xat, Xat is scummy, seems like a town play to me.
Early game Dam also said this.
No offense to Rob but hes always...not rude but probably blunt is a better word for him, and I don't really think its alignment oriented.
This was after I gave Rob an early town read, if Dam is mafia he just shuts up and lets his mafia buddy be given an easy town read.
So TLDR I am pretty sure Dam is town.
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On August 25 2014 02:43 yamato77 wrote:
I think I did a lot of that analysis already.
Yeh you had some similar thoughts but I analysed independently of what you wrote.
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Xatalos from the votes.
1) It was initially between you and yam so you had no reason to switch.
2) It was then the votes started swinging towards Robik away from Yam so the vote was still between you and Robik.
If you stuck on Yamato either you or Robik got lynched so you switching over does not clear you as town at all it just stunk as someone trying to live and maybe get town credibility.
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On August 25 2014 07:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 06:58 KelsierSC wrote:
Xatalos from the votes.
1) It was initially between you and yam so you had no reason to switch.
2) It was then the votes started swinging towards Robik away from Yam so the vote was still between you and Robik.
If you stuck on Yamato either you or Robik got lynched so you switching over does not clear you as town at all it just stunk as someone trying to live and maybe get town credibility.
That's fair but we aren't lynching Xatalos day2 so you guys should maybe try to analyse something different now. You are beating a dead horse anyways.
I am responding to this fallacy from Xat
On August 25 2014 06:18 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not entirely sure I understand. I suppose your argument is that:
1) Hapa+jat wanted to save me and would have gotten yamato lynched instead of me if I didn't go for Robik too
2) That means I purposefully killed the Mafia Godfather (who wasn't under much of any suspicion before) when I had the option of still going for yamato to mislynch a townie instead
3) This was supposed to take some heat off me, but really it feels like the same people are still suspecting me and the same people are still townreading me
How does this make sense as scum Xatalos?
point 1 is wrong as Hap specifically said it was between Dam and Robik
Xat had every reason to switch to Robik as it stopped him being the lynch.
This isn't beating a dead horse it is pointing out incorrect reasoning from Xat.
As for analysing something else I already analysed Dam again and concluded he was town, see earlier.
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On August 25 2014 07:07 yamato77 wrote:
"Aren't lynching Xat day 2" seems like a bold statement. No one is safe just because they voted Robik.
JAT , Yam and Hap are both safe considering they had no reason to go hard on Robik at the time they did. If they were mafia it would be much easier to just push the vote onto someone who was town.
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On August 25 2014 07:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:07 yamato77 wrote:
"Aren't lynching Xat day 2" seems like a bold statement. No one is safe just because they voted Robik. When did I say it is only because he voted Robik? Look at Hapas case for xatalos being town and argue against it. If you can't do that we are not lynching him.
Hapas case was kinda shitty in my opinion. It was based on Xata posting lots in other games or something it just felt shit tier.
I already gave a lot of reasons from THIS GAME why Xata is scum so I would happily lynch him.
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On August 25 2014 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:39 KelsierSC wrote:On August 25 2014 07:36 justanothertownie wrote:On August 25 2014 07:07 yamato77 wrote:
"Aren't lynching Xat day 2" seems like a bold statement. No one is safe just because they voted Robik. When did I say it is only because he voted Robik? Look at Hapas case for xatalos being town and argue against it. If you can't do that we are not lynching him. Hapas case was kinda shitty in my opinion. It was based on Xata posting lots in other games or something it just felt shit tier. I already gave a lot of reasons from THIS GAME why Xata is scum so I would happily lynch him. He has fucking 21 PAGES of filter. Show me one example of a scumplayer on this site that had this ridiculous amount of posts at this point. And that's not even the main point. He posts more careful and structured as mafia.
I already explained that it isn't hard for him to mimic his town play. If his town play is to post a giant amount of nonsense.
imagine the crazy scenario where a mafia player mimics his town play! OMG SO WILD
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On August 25 2014 07:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:44 KelsierSC wrote:On August 25 2014 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On August 25 2014 07:39 KelsierSC wrote:On August 25 2014 07:36 justanothertownie wrote:On August 25 2014 07:07 yamato77 wrote:
"Aren't lynching Xat day 2" seems like a bold statement. No one is safe just because they voted Robik. When did I say it is only because he voted Robik? Look at Hapas case for xatalos being town and argue against it. If you can't do that we are not lynching him. Hapas case was kinda shitty in my opinion. It was based on Xata posting lots in other games or something it just felt shit tier. I already gave a lot of reasons from THIS GAME why Xata is scum so I would happily lynch him. He has fucking 21 PAGES of filter. Show me one example of a scumplayer on this site that had this ridiculous amount of posts at this point. And that's not even the main point. He posts more careful and structured as mafia. I already explained that it isn't hard for him to mimic his town play. If his town play is to post a giant amount of nonsense. imagine the crazy scenario where a mafia player mimics his town play! OMG SO WILD I think you have no idea how hard it is to be active as scum. And with active I mean having maybe one half of this filter.
Well I am sure you and Hapa are town, If neither of you are lynching Xata d2 then I will look elsewhere.
For me VA and Onegu are still scummy and would be my lynches
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On August 25 2014 07:58 Xatalos wrote:
Btw before you call something "shit tier" you should explain why it's bad. No, "he's emulating his town play that always gathers pressure instead of his safe scum playstyle!" isn't quite enough.
are you fucking real I have explained why the read is bad many times
I suppose the more you say though the more towny you are right.
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am i town?
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I came into the night with the intention of rereading Dam and rayn as they were the two biggest question marks based on votes. After rereading I am convinced they are both town. I gave reasons for both of my reads , you can find my reasons I don't want to rehash.
so I still view Xat, Va, and Onegu as my top scum.
I think Onegu is my top lynch for the day mainly because he only pushed on rayn giving a pretty weak reason and at the time when rayn was taking a lot of heat. He was incredibly inactive for the whole game.
Xat won't be lynched today due to his vote ( I gave my thoughts on this ) but I think I will just see his whoever he reads as scum and then put that person in my town list.
VA seems scummy aswell, I don't like how he was inactive at the deadline, or his dam read in retrospect.
Mainly I think not voting Rob and being inactive makes you scummy considering that the pressure was misplaced (yamato, dam, rayn)
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On August 25 2014 09:19 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 09:11 Damdred wrote:
You promised me your three cases xata lets hear them I'll evaluate my reads based on what happens here + night kills. I'm still not completely sure who I want to lynch.
shocker
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On August 25 2014 09:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 09:26 Xatalos wrote:On August 25 2014 00:06 KelsierSC wrote:On August 24 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:
Why is everyone trying to explain everything for xatalos? Its quite annoying frankly I'm not a idiot i understand why it has to be the people who didn't go to robik. I didn't ask for that explanation i asked him why those three and to develop cases.
@Kel but why switch to yamato you had just as strong a scum read onxata and you thought both were mafia indeed you gave xata a lot more attention in your filter than qnyone else and the chances of his lynch were decent.... I thought Xata was scum, I thought Yamato was scum. If the voting had been different, say it was tied between yam and someone I thought was town then I would have switched over to Yam to make sure that vote went through and mafia didn't force through a ML. I ended up not switching because Xat tried to really push through a lynch on Yam (who he had read town and shared the same reads as) and Xat felt so unbelievably scummy that by the deadline I was thinking Yam must be town. Oh ugh is that really his explanation? Doesn't explain why he didn't switch over earlier on, say, before he though yam must be town. And actually did KSC even mention anywhere that he was doubting his read on yamato?
The vote was between Xat and Yam who "earlier" I both thought were scum and I was happy with my vote
I had no reason to doubt my yam read until Xat really went balls deep on the lynch yam train which happened really close to the deadline.
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On August 25 2014 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually I can't even concentrate now. I'm really angry at the misrepresentation here. Funny you seem to have a knack for messing with people this game.
The 'suspicions' you mentioned from pages 5-6 of my filter? (in no particular order)
a) I had a townread on rayn the entire time I was 'antagonizing' him
b) the quote about JAT is a reference to our last game together and a joke. It should have been pretty fucking obvious if you'd look through the entirety of my filter that nowhere do I EVER suspect JAT
c) I respect Prome's reads a great deal. if it was him making a read on you it means I should go have a look back. I don't see anything wrong with that at all
d) Xat was/is suspcious. end of story
e) VA is VA
Particularly egregious are the first couple points. The fact that you'd try and lump those into some idea of me 'throwing shit around' is completely ridiculous and looks like you're just trying to fit things into a weak scumread of me that barely exists.
I didn't originally think the case you made against rayn was terrible, just that you were wrong, but now that you've done one against me?
It's fucking terrible. You're not terrible.
Like honestly hapa what is with you this game?
What about his point on the timing. the break then "who are we lynching?" then going at yamato.
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On August 25 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hapa, I picked my strongest suspicion and rolled with it.
Pretty fucking simple if you ask me.
The 'who are we lynching' was meant because the thread had no aim at the time. If you look at the post directly before i left the thread I talked about consolidation then too. Since my vote is on yamato, and the thread had no aim, I started pushing everyone towards my strongest scumread, yamato.
Is that not completely fucking obvious to everyone?
Am I in the fucking twilight zone here?
Yeh Wave is town, Hapa you are wrong about this
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On August 25 2014 09:46 turtlevine wrote:
I'm here to back up GB's reads and handle filter dives and cases for him. The two reads we're talking about are
Rayn and Kelsen, with xat secondary
Rayn : There is no way Hapahauli and Rayn are both town, considering their interaction. The thread got really shit-flingy and really bad, and as townies they'd both want things to remain at least comprehensible. So, one of them must be instigating scum, or both. They could both be scum, because one could be SK and the other could be mafia. They've both both shitty arguments to call out each other, which strikes GB/me as odd. Another thing, is that Hapa oddly unvoted rain after making an entrance with a big case. GB finds this interesting because once, in an obs QT, Hapa said that as mafia, GB should've tried to make a mroe remarkable post-- not being remarkable in any way at all is bad as scum. The awareness of this tactic means he could subvert the trend and make a big post as scum. Hapa's quick join onto Robik ( as opposed to a delayed join once it was working) means that Hapa is definitely not mafia, though he could be scum. So, if we believe one of Rayn/Hapa is going to be scum, it should be Rayn.
Side note is that Onegu's tunnel on rayn is very suspicious and a clever way of avoiding talking about other things. If rayn flips town, Onegu is more likely to be scum.
I'm going to be quick on Xat. You know that his jump wasn't a clincher, and that he could have done whatever as scum. He could also be the SK. we can't rule him out on that.
KSC: this is a bit of a tough nut to crack, but here's the basis for our case. Note that at the start of the day, KSC votes Xatalos. This is OK. This is what you would think. His reasons are not very good. but they are reasons. Look at how else he treats xatalos though. He talks a bit later about how Xat is on his list, but he doesn't lay on the syrup as much as you would expect for a serious push. What shows he is scum is how he acts bout Xat.
Right after the deadline, after the flip, he apologizes to xat. Then he says Xat is town. Thats good. But then afterwards, he says, "xat could still be sk" and this is still kind of reasonable. He explicitly puts Xat in his town list, then moves him back to his scumlist, and isn't very clear on his reasons about this. this flipflopping on xat is very unusual. Either Xat is showing characteristics of an SK, or he isn't. None of this is in reference to things Xat did after the deadline, it's just KSC changing his opinion. It's plausible that this is a legitimate change of heart. GB and I do not think so. It appears opportunitistic.
Rayn and KSC. that's our lynch choice for tomorrow.
yeh you can fuck with with pretty much all of your reasoning on me.
If at any moment during the day you think I didn't want to lynch Xat or didn't read him as scum you are absolutely fucking delusional. My reasons were always consistent and I pushed him right to the end. He was scum as fuck and I maintain that
If you actually fucking read the thread I explained my reasons for my changes on Xat. Robik flipped mafia it was a legitimate instant thing where I assumed Xat must be town. BUT after analysing, looking at the vote and listening to Hapa's reasons I felt happy putting him as scum again. the votes do not exonarate Xat in anyway from being scum, he feels scum as fuck, I put him right back in the scum/SK list.
There is no reference to after the deadline because my reasons weren't based on what did Xat did after the deadline. It was based on a more rigorous analysis of the votes.
Also calling it opportunistic is dumb as fuck considering Xat won't be lynched today.
Seriously fuck off.
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On August 25 2014 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 09:46 KelsierSC wrote:On August 25 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hapa, I picked my strongest suspicion and rolled with it.
Pretty fucking simple if you ask me.
The 'who are we lynching' was meant because the thread had no aim at the time. If you look at the post directly before i left the thread I talked about consolidation then too. Since my vote is on yamato, and the thread had no aim, I started pushing everyone towards my strongest scumread, yamato.
Is that not completely fucking obvious to everyone?
Am I in the fucking twilight zone here? Yeh Wave is town, Hapa you are wrong about this Why should I listen to you again?
you read me as town
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On August 25 2014 09:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 09:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 25 2014 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On August 25 2014 09:46 KelsierSC wrote:On August 25 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hapa, I picked my strongest suspicion and rolled with it.
Pretty fucking simple if you ask me.
The 'who are we lynching' was meant because the thread had no aim at the time. If you look at the post directly before i left the thread I talked about consolidation then too. Since my vote is on yamato, and the thread had no aim, I started pushing everyone towards my strongest scumread, yamato.
Is that not completely fucking obvious to everyone?
Am I in the fucking twilight zone here? Yeh Wave is town, Hapa you are wrong about this Why should I listen to you again? you read me as town You seem to confuse correct and town a lot in this game though...
you seem confused this entire game
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Also turtle/GB
if you think I'm scum you can basically call Xat town. Saying he could be scum/sk but calling me scum is just shit
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