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On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game.
For example?
I get that the tools thing does not confirm xatalos as town but I really don't get why you think it makes him scum. No shit most people are nullish there - he just said in thread earlier that he has trouble finding scum.
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Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads?
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On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!"
So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense?
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On August 23 2014 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense? what the fuck when did I ever say that
I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter.
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On August 23 2014 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense? what the fuck when did I ever say that I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter. So the only world where things make sense is that Xan is scum is if rayn is also scum?
In that world what you said at least makes a little bit of sense, yes. But I doubt that we are living in that world.
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On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions.
Yes, I noticed that too.
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On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike
The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy.
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On August 23 2014 06:08 yamato77 wrote:
it really does
and look at the way he talked about me
he's not trying to lynch me, he's just trying to make people not townread me
so fucking scummy
And what does he gain from that if he does not try to lynch you?
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On August 23 2014 06:10 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:09 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:08 yamato77 wrote:
it really does
and look at the way he talked about me
he's not trying to lynch me, he's just trying to make people not townread me
so fucking scummy And what does he gain from that if he does not try to lynch you? he's setting up my potential mislynch because he thinks I'm not going to try plus, he preempts my return to the thread with this bullshit
Why would he think you are not going to try if he is scum and you are town?
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On August 23 2014 06:12 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:12 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:10 yamato77 wrote:On August 23 2014 06:09 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:08 yamato77 wrote:
it really does
and look at the way he talked about me
he's not trying to lynch me, he's just trying to make people not townread me
so fucking scummy And what does he gain from that if he does not try to lynch you? he's setting up my potential mislynch because he thinks I'm not going to try plus, he preempts my return to the thread with this bullshit Why would he think you are not going to try if he is scum and you are town? because I haven't been trying? or have you not noticed these newbies not respecting just how good my towngame can be
Meh. Maybe. The biggest problem I have is that neither you nor Hapa has given me any reason to townread you 2 and the case is not impressing me.
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On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn.
But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic.
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On August 23 2014 06:18 yamato77 wrote:
it was scummy for him to randomly go "why do you read yamato as town?"
do you know how rayn operates with his scumreads as town? he makes fucking cases on them and argues about it for days
is this how he is handling his read on me? no. it's horseshit.
I don't like him coming after me, and I don't like how he's going about his read on wave or damdred either at the moment
That already sounds a little better. I hope he returns soon - seeing you guys interact would probably make things clearer.
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On August 23 2014 06:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. he can't do what he did in foundation because there are much better players floating around in this thread
Like who? Maybe Hapa if he is town but that's pretty much it.
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On August 23 2014 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct. A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it. Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here." Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!"
I get what you are talking about now but you have to keep in mind that yamato was absent the whole time. Rayn wasn't able to question him and yamato did not produce any content that could be discussed or analysed either.
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On August 23 2014 06:32 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too) Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns. I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2. It does not look scummy but it still reminded me. If you ask yourself why look at TL Noir. Did you talk with him beforehand about it and did you tell him you would do this kind of stuff this game? He's been my tester for the website to write notes about Mafia games (a pretty experimental project but perhaps it could come to wider use soon as it's pretty much finished already). He must have noticed I was currently using it since I copy-pasted my notes as my first post in the game.
Ok. I will just ignore the whole thing then.
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On August 23 2014 06:34 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:29 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on.
Lol, good shit.
I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote:
jat
tell me the rayn read isn't good
it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct. A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it. Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here." Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!" I get what you are talking about now but you have to keep in mind that yamato was absent the whole time. Rayn wasn't able to question him and yamato did not produce any content that could be discussed or analysed either. While this is rrue rayn did peace out after saying i was scum yelling at me. and once a few people posted in support he was gone
That's a different story. I don't think he would peace out like that as scum and not as town but as I already said the push on you indeed was weaksauce.
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On August 23 2014 06:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Also anyone (but particularly Yamato), can you post your thoughts on Damdred?
Why particularly yamato? Is he particularly town? Do you want to find out about his alignment in particular?
I already posted a few things on damdred -> it's in my filter. Why don't you enlighten us with your own thoughts?
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On August 23 2014 06:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Also anyone (but particularly Yamato), can you post your thoughts on Damdred? Why particularly yamato? Is he particularly town? Do you want to find out about his alignment in particular? I already posted a few things on damdred -> it's in my filter. Why don't you enlighten us with your own thoughts? I'm not sure. That's why I kinda wanted to get some opinions on it. I mentioned Yamato in particular because of this post: Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:01 yamato77 wrote:
xat/kels/damdred/gb all likely town
robik being robik
turtlevine is apparently confirmed to gb, so he's town
lolol ez game ez lyfe ...where he puts damdred pretty much next to every other strong town read I have in this game.
Ok, fair enough. You both feel free to explain the Kelsier townread. I also had a sizable townread on him after the start but it faded quite a bit since then.
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No, he underestimates the faith people put in vets in general.
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On August 23 2014 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapa is mafia.
##unvote:
##Vote: Hapahauli
Surprise surprise.
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