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On August 23 2014 03:34 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 03:33 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
It's basically suicide to antagonize vets and draw their negative attention as scum. I've only done it once (in Intrigue against marv) and I got quickly lynched for it. Never again. But that is sort of true regardless of alignment. 100x more so as scum. As town I always talk my way out of getting lynched (never lynched as town in like 1,5 years), as scum I just break down and die.
Meh. I still disagree with many of the things you say but maybe you are actually town. You have a huge filter and I think your vote is in a decent place right now.
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Well, most of it is definitely consistent with what he said so far. Don't think that really confirms him but I think I will remove him from my targets for today.
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Btw rayn the last time that I remember you pulling a stunt like this you were mafia.
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You are at 0, yamato is at -1.
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On August 23 2014 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 03:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw rayn the last time that I remember you pulling a stunt like this you were mafia. I have legitmately no idea what you are talking about. If you can't see the town motivation behind this then i do not know what to say.
I see it but I also remember TL Noir where you made me post my spreadsheet.
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On August 23 2014 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 23 2014 03:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw rayn the last time that I remember you pulling a stunt like this you were mafia. I have legitmately no idea what you are talking about. If you can't see the town motivation behind this then i do not know what to say. I see it but I also remember TL Noir where you made me post my spreadsheet. And i would have done that as town aswell. What's the poi9nt?
There is no point it just really remembered me of that incident.
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On August 23 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 03:49 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 23 2014 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 23 2014 03:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw rayn the last time that I remember you pulling a stunt like this you were mafia. I have legitmately no idea what you are talking about. If you can't see the town motivation behind this then i do not know what to say. I see it but I also remember TL Noir where you made me post my spreadsheet. And i would have done that as town aswell. What's the poi9nt? There is no point it just really remembered me of that incident. Yeah i also made BH modkilling his whole mason group by pushing him to give the logs. as town.  now srsly off for a while. i got more beer now and i am happy ^^
You are right I forgot about that. That was hilarious.
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On August 23 2014 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter. Like read this...
I see nothing wrong with this tbh. you have to see it in context.
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On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:Buckle up boys. ##Vote RaynpelikoneetHis play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that - His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
- He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
- He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. tl;drRayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all.
Ok. Opinions on the other players?
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On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:Buckle up boys. ##Vote RaynpelikoneetHis play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that - His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
- He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
- He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. tl;drRayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot.
Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent?
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So Hapa I will be honest with you. The last game I remember you playing is the shadow game and I will hold you to your level of play there. You were conversational, asked questions and tried to figure the game out. I don't see this yet.
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On August 23 2014 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 04:57 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:Buckle up boys. ##Vote RaynpelikoneetHis play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that - His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
- He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
- He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. tl;drRayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent? I care less that he dropped the Yamato issue and more about the timing and wording of how he brought it up. Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This quote makes no sense from a town perspective. As a townie, why would you be concerned about who else is calling yamato mafia if it's not even clear that you are suspicious of him?
I think that post indicates that rayn is suspicious of him pretty heavily?!
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On August 23 2014 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:02 justanothertownie wrote:
So Hapa I will be honest with you. The last game I remember you playing is the shadow game and I will hold you to your level of play there. You were conversational, asked questions and tried to figure the game out. I don't see this yet. You seem to be eager to give out criticism and less so to give out substantial opinions. What gives?
Are you playing dumb or something?
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You really think Hapas case is that strong xatalos? I really don't think so regardless of what alignment rayn might be.
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On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too)
Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns.
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On August 23 2014 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:04 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:57 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:Buckle up boys. ##Vote RaynpelikoneetHis play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that - His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
- He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
- He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. tl;drRayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent? I care less that he dropped the Yamato issue and more about the timing and wording of how he brought it up. On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This quote makes no sense from a town perspective. As a townie, why would you be concerned about who else is calling yamato mafia if it's not even clear that you are suspicious of him? I think that post indicates that rayn is suspicious of him pretty heavily?! Nonsense. "I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato. And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere. Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia: Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:
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Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you. If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok? What is a Hapa? You are town for me so I would trust your reads, if Yam posts a bit more maybe I can reevaluate but for me he is town so far. Hapahauli - a player in this game. yamato is really easy to read because he cannot mirror his townplay as scum. I thought he was town early on because i saw stuff that reminds me of his townplay but then he asked me to solve the game with him and did jack shit after that.It is weird. I still think the questions itself implies a scumread on yamato but I admit that he changed the subject rather quickly. "Weird." Just weird.
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Wow, how did that happen. Correction:
On August 23 2014 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:04 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:57 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:Buckle up boys. ##Vote RaynpelikoneetHis play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that - His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
- He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
- He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. tl;drRayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent? I care less that he dropped the Yamato issue and more about the timing and wording of how he brought it up. On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This quote makes no sense from a town perspective. As a townie, why would you be concerned about who else is calling yamato mafia if it's not even clear that you are suspicious of him? I think that post indicates that rayn is suspicious of him pretty heavily?! Nonsense. "I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato. And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere. Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia: Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:
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Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you. If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok? What is a Hapa? You are town for me so I would trust your reads, if Yam posts a bit more maybe I can reevaluate but for me he is town so far. Hapahauli - a player in this game. yamato is really easy to read because he cannot mirror his townplay as scum. I thought he was town early on because i saw stuff that reminds me of his townplay but then he asked me to solve the game with him and did jack shit after that.It is weird. "Weird." Just weird.
I still think the questions itself implies a scumread on yamato but I admit that he changed the subject rather quickly.
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On August 23 2014 05:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 05:13 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 05:11 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it
2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false
3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too) Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns. I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2.
It does not look scummy but it still reminded me. If you ask yourself why look at TL Noir.
Did you talk with him beforehand about it and did you tell him you would do this kind of stuff this game?
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