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Dama just to answer this
On August 27 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Except vayne hasn't voted and could get mod killed himself. You both think VA claim is probably right. but you want to kill him anyway when we think we have the sk dead to rights anyway? Yeaaaaa
maybe both of you are mafia together since all a sudden you guys seem the best of pals when kel said he'd want to do the opposite of xata maybe the kel wagon has a shot
You need to read my analysis on why I thought a VA lynch might work even if he is town ( the analysis was based on faulty logic though) I still think he is real and now I will def not lynch him.
I don't think at any point in that I was best of pals with Xat, I was basically analysing to the thread. I still think Xat is scummy.
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On August 27 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 08:03 KelsierSC wrote:
That is why I am reluctant to lynch Hapa, I understand that he is not playing town. A lot of people think he is the SK.
But if he does flip town we will be in a position with 6 players left with 3 town, 1 kinda confirmed town (yam)
if we lynch onegu then we are 7 players left with 4 town, 1 kinda confirmed.
I need to do more math on that but I think the second scenario is better for town. Tbh if we mislynch today I think we lose either way (most likely) since we'd be down to around even numbers with scum+SK and scum especially would have a major advantage in that situation. I've been in that situation a lot in SC2 Mafia (the setups there generally always contain 3 Mafia + 1 SK) and I think like 95% of the time town loses.
Alright so if we get to this 7.and it turned out onegu was town.
Hapa,VA,Kel,Yam,Xat,Dam,WoS
VA will have his check and could give us 3 confirmed town or a scum.
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On August 27 2014 08:09 Damdred wrote:
I know it is a new concept.... instead of trying to math your way to a win and clutter the thread actually play the game and kill the one likely to flip red or flip sk.
I think hapa isn't town so obviously that's where i am
I am playing the game, I am figuring out the best lynch.
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On August 27 2014 08:14 yamato77 wrote:
STOP THE STUPID THEORYCRAFT
IT'S USELESS
no it is useful to me.
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Like if we are sure Hapa is the Sk, why can't we lynch onegu today and then have a check on Hapa tomorrow when we know he is the SK.
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On August 27 2014 08:18 yamato77 wrote:
because then an extra town dies because you're too pussy to man up and lynch him
On August 27 2014 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Because VA will probably die tonight and letting the sk go keeps kp at two...
Neither of you seem to be understanding so let me explain this for you.
Firstly if we lynch Happa and he and Onegu are town then we have lost the game, I don't want that to happen
If they lynch VA we then have at least 2 confirmed town and we can pretty safely lynch Hapa the next day.
If they don't lynch VA then we have a check on Happa and can happily lynch the SK.
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On August 27 2014 08:25 yamato77 wrote:
I don't want to live in a world where both Hapa and Onegu are town anyway
True
But you have to assume that world is real as town could lose the game right here.
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On August 27 2014 08:32 Damdred wrote:
Your case is flawed and deals in what ifs
What if va is town and oneg is town and both die tonight
what if we lynch oneg to conserve numbers. Sk or mafia kills va and a mason and we are worse then when we started
Ok I have to deal in what ifs. because.. "what if hapa and oneg are town and we lynch hapa?...we lose"
so if va and a mason die. then we are at 7 with 2 confirmed town and can probably lynch hapa at that point. meaning we would get to 5 with a confirmed town and 2 mafia left.
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On August 27 2014 08:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Yamato, look how Kelsen is reluctant regarding lynching hapa.
He is worried A LOT on how people see him and works hard to discredit my play. When I say "give me another lynch" or "I want to kill hapa" he mostly dodges this discussion.
He is not scum hunting, he is simply defending himself and using cracked math just to say LYNCH THE GUY WHO IS GOING TO DIE ANYWAYS LOL (onegu)
You don't really think he is mafia? Really really really?
Holy fucking what in the fuck.
You really think I worry how people see me, I have pushed all my reads and got into people's face. You just have not been in the thread.
I have scum hunted the whole game. I am sure Xat is scum, I think Onegu will probably flip scum but I am dealing in the world where he doesn't. know why? because town potentially loses here.
The maths isnt cracked at all you are just so fucking stupid you don't understand...anything
I am right now trying to figure the game out so town does not lose.
Furthermore if I am scum then either
I know oneg is mafia in which case I probably need to kill someone else to reduce town numbers
or I know oneg is town, in which case I let him die and try to get a Ml somewhere else.
you are so unbelievably bad I would not be surprised if scum just left you alone to run town into the ground.
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ok apparently making sure town doesn't lose is a really fucking scum move good fucking job guys great read.
GB you still havent presented a case against me so you can just fuck off and die ok.
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On August 27 2014 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 08:42 Xatalos wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Hapahauli
He hasn't really cared about what's happened today and I'm pretty sure yamato is town so I think I'd be willing to risk this. This except for the 'willing to risk' part. I still can't believe nobody is seeing VA's claim for exactly what it is combined with the rest of his play. yamato what happens when/if hapa comes back and fights this?
I explained why I thought the claim was real.
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On August 27 2014 08:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm actually very slightly uneasy now that VA is where Hapa chose to park his vote especially if he never comes back.
BUT I WILL STAY THE COURSE
A VOTE FOR VA IS A VOTE FOR SCUM
VA is town for me for the rest of the game
Claimed at a point he had no reason to
He had easier ways to out "I just checked rayn he was suspect."
no CC.
at this point with almost no one thinking VA is scum anymore if there is no counter claim he has to be real.
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WoS, would you say my analysis on VA is incorrect. and that it is better for the real PR not to CC today but just vote on VA.
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On August 27 2014 09:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 08:59 KelsierSC wrote:
WoS, would you say my analysis on VA is incorrect. and that it is better for the real PR not to CC today but just vote on VA. I would say there are certain things I didn't want to talk about in thread for reasons, but I have been considering them all along. And no, this is not me claiming.
Yeh I think I got you.
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##Unvote
I will vote again I just want to hear what Hapa has to say.
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On August 27 2014 09:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 09:04 KelsierSC wrote:
##Unvote
I will vote again I just want to hear what Hapa has to say. You should call him in the mafia qt
you think me and Hapa are mafia together?
is that something you really want to have said?
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On August 27 2014 09:08 Xatalos wrote:I looked at Dessert Mini Mafia (where I was scum with Hapahauli) and I think his D2 play here is pretty similar to that game. In that game he also just listed a couple of weak(ish) "scumreads", voted for one of them and didn't do much else during D2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/392955-dessert-mini-mafia?user=Hapahauli&page=7The cases also look a bit similar in the sense that they just take a couple of posts from the target's filter, call them scummy and call it a day.
Mafia and Sk probably play quite differently though and I think Hapa is Sk most likely.
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Dam can you explain why you believe GB's "read" of me.
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Hapa is SK or town, no way he is mafia.
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On August 27 2014 09:27 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm only lynching him because people didn't want to lynch Kelsen.
Anyway...
maybe because you had absolutely no reasons
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