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On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia, Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there. I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet. I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral. I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch. Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet. So look at this post 1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point: 2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'. ##Vote: abuse for being scum. | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 08:24 meatpudding wrote: [...] abuse Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far. [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia, [...] I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral. [...] Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet. [/QUOTE] I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up. [...] This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good' It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying. | ||
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On August 27 2014 12:09 lilwade wrote: I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo. your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game. You're not making any sense. | ||
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On August 27 2014 12:09 lilwade wrote: ... your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game. That was what abuse said, not what I said. My stance is, and always has been, that there is enough information to push reads. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:24 meatpudding wrote: ... abuse Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far. I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up. ... This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good' It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying. EBWOP fixed quotes | ||
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On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: ... gobbledydook: I didn't like you, coming in the thread and 15 lines of content later you claim to have discovered a scumduo. While I agree with you on abuse having some very suspicious posts, I dislike that you completely discard the fact, that it was his posts that got the thread going in the end. Would you care to bring forward some more points that back up your vote and make me believe that you actually read the whole thread and not just some posts that led you to believe, abuse is scum? At the moment, I believe you are overcompensating for being inactive the first 24h. What's wrong with proposing a scumduo? If you don't agree, that's fine, but scumreading someone for not having the same opinion is not fine. You overemphasize 'getting the thread going'. The thread is going to get going regardless of any person posting sooner or later on day 1. If I wanted I could also post a ton of open questions to 'get the thread going' but that's not the point. The point of discussion is to provide insight. Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that. ##Unvote A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town. Also for those saying I just jumped into the thread randomly, that's how I roll, you can see my other games in the TL mafia database and I do this every game regardless of alignment. I am just not a high volume poster. I also happen to live in Australia where kangaroos live and where your night is my day. | ||
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First big post is just a collection of one liners that don't mean much. It is sure hard to read though: maybe intentional? His 'thesis' on abuse, upon reread, is twisting abuse's words to make him look bad.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=9#179 See for yourself. Also my initial scumread on abuse was not based on superbia's read in any way. Just to make it clear. | ||
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On August 27 2014 22:18 MihZaaa wrote: Goobledydook Your retreat seems just as void of arguments as your attack. I'm sorry that you can't see my arguments. You may want to invest in correction lenses. And if you want to lynch me that's fine. When I flip 'Princess Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty' as I claimed, then we know who's been misrepresenting my words and pushing for a mislynch. | ||
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On August 28 2014 01:16 Barakos wrote: So you read a post of mp, called him abuses scumbuddy, get called out for it not being valid, read some more posts to see, that you couldn't hold up your point and retract instantly? Why didn't you bother with reading first and posting after? So you are trying to scare people away from voting to lynch you by saying "Don't vote for me, cause if you do, everybody will know I am a princess, which makes you scum?" Your overall appearance here in this thread looks pretty bad up until now. You hop in, you post some stuff, put a vote down, shortly afterwards take back everything you said, don't answer any question directed at you and on top of it all, you also explain that we shouldn't expect any more out of you, since this you are not a high volume poster and just randomly hop in and out of threads? Where is your effort to solve this game? I can't see it and the way you put it, you make it look like you are also not very interested in putting any effort into it. ##vote gobbledydook I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them. | ||
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On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours. 1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa? 2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads. 3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse? 4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated? 5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it. As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post. Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you. A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible. He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards: I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better. | ||
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On August 28 2014 07:16 lilwade wrote: First off my initial read is that you rushed head first into it rather than getting others opinions, It came from nowhere and I still think it was poorly accused, yes I had trouble with your fail quote post but I admitted that. As for lynching you I do not think you are my prime candidate. So I have my opinion on who is town at the moment but that wont get the game moving forward, from all of the filters ive read my top scum right now is... MihZaaa Here you can see him flip flop around he claims his least town was "abuse" after the gobbledydook posts and yet he still comes in with the one liner post voting for gobbledydook. A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else. His filter kinda jumps around from person to person and doesnt really give scum insight. ##vote MihZaaa Glad you showed up. Still thinking about your case. | ||
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On August 28 2014 07:16 lilwade wrote: First off my initial read is that you rushed head first into it rather than getting others opinions, It came from nowhere and I still think it was poorly accused, yes I had trouble with your fail quote post but I admitted that. As for lynching you I do not think you are my prime candidate. So I have my opinion on who is town at the moment but that wont get the game moving forward, from all of the filters ive read my top scum right now is... MihZaaa Here you can see him flip flop around he claims his least town was "abuse" after the gobbledydook posts and yet he still comes in with the one liner post voting for gobbledydook. A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else. His filter kinda jumps around from person to person and doesnt really give scum insight. ##vote MihZaaa I failed to arrive at the same conclusion as you. I am pretty sure he placed me second on the kill list after abuse. That was before abuse's burst of activity. He had explained the discrepancy already. Given his first scum read is no longer a scumread it's natural he votes me. | ||
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On August 28 2014 07:52 Superbia wrote: To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense. ##vote: gobbledydook my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:03 JennyHell wrote: After this I don't give a shit whether he is town or mafia. I want him gone. I'll help you with it ##vote: Gobbledydook | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:08 JennyHell wrote: lilwade, you were here a while ago. Can you move over to a different wagon? Your vote isn't going to happen. I am not feeling comfortable with Superbia being voted on. Not today.. Can we remove the wagon from him and move it to someone else? I really don't like how this ending of the day is panning out. Gobble, why are you so angry? Why resort to BM? you all are retarded that's why | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:13 JennyHell wrote: Can people stop using the F-word please! This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here. Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try? I did. No one listened. Wrote off what I said as useless. If no one is going to listen to me anyway why should I try | ||
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No it really isn't. Straight-unanimous lynches rarely end up mafia. Contested ones are much more likely to turn mafia. | ||
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On August 28 2014 07:51 JennyHell wrote: Like I've said before, I've flipped my read on Superbia, I think I misread his super crazy logictrain as scummy when in hindsight it's probably just donkey town. Later on he's been much more towny and I'm now feeling ok with him. I do NOT think that Superbia should be one of the wagons. you mean this one? My impression of jenny is she's a town that's trying very hard. She seems to be getting somewhere too. She is raising good points about the intentions of those who are voting me. Some of them don't put their actions where their words are. | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:37 gobbledydook wrote: you mean this one? My impression of jenny is she's a town that's trying very hard. She seems to be getting somewhere too. She is raising good points about the intentions of those who are voting me. Some of them don't put their actions where their words are. and regarding your exact question, I don't really know either. The reason she gives is 'your posts looks townier', which is like the no. 1 reason for backing off a read so I wouldn't read anything into that. | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:37 Barakos wrote: what's your reason for lynching breshke besides him being the only realistic wagon besides you atm? Your filter mentions breshke not a single time before you suggest to lynch him instead of you. he's useless, provides no insight, and seems happy to just be ignored and not questioned. | ||
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what jenny just said is spot on. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:10 Superbia wrote: I think anyone may be town but I think dook is the best lynch here. He's been too scummy and his defense is too weak (appeal to emotion). I wish we could lynch both. hahahahahahahahahaha you're scum. | ||
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no shit sherlock look where my vote is | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:06 Breshke wrote: gobbledydook why did/do you want to lynch superbia. I kind of asked this before you have never given a reason for it. you meant this questions? it's his blatant misrepresentation of abuse's posts in his 'thesis' which really doesn't sit well with me. You see how he cherry picks quotes out of context then assigns scum intentions to them? That's not solving the game, that's making someone look bad so you can mislynch him. | ||
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We must find them. Cast them into the void. Avenge the asshole that is Aurora, who soon shall sleep forever. Breshke the Communist Revolutionary. He seeks to overthrow the Princesses and set up his proletariat dictatorship. He must be destroyed. Superbia the liar. He must have learned somewhat from Grima Wormtongue. He has poisoned the minds of those who are gullible. Together we may continue this proud royal heritage of Princessdom! | ||
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YOUR ARROGANCE WILL BE YOUR DESTRUCTION! | ||
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you were unimaginably wrong the whole game and I am extremely frustrated by your bad play. | ||
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