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Haha. I can't really follow Haru's reads either though... Haru, could you explain your reads better?
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(Dunno why mentioning rayn there makes him scum still)
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On August 12 2014 21:46 onevone wrote:
I'm sorry, but I heavily doubt that I would get lynched. I haven't been lynched as town in like 2 years, I think.
Onegu, could you explain your read on rayn in more detail?
Like not really, i really go off of feeling with rayn and try to figure out if he means what he says and what he is asking. And at this point I believe him and get no feelings the other way.
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On August 12 2014 22:16 onevone wrote:
Huh, that's true. Then I admit my mistake. However, that's the only "lie" I made yet, Koshi, so you should stop saying that already.
hahahahaha↓
TheKingOfTheCats was clearly following the thread for several hours and keeping up with the events
less than 2 pages in game, only 1 event, KoC didn't ignore that event.
It's called pressure and also "beggars can't be choosers" Would you rather still be talking about Avatar.. I prefer to talk about potential scum.
When pressured about why you put a 4th vote on mm1 without any basis.
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On August 12 2014 22:20 onevone wrote:
(Dunno why mentioning rayn there makes him scum still)
It doesn't. But scum tends to put down small lies because they dont' give a fuck or they are pushing an agenda.
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On August 12 2014 22:20 onevone wrote:
(Dunno why mentioning rayn there makes him scum still)
Because it is a proof that he is either not reading the thread prpperly which is a scum trait or he has some idea from my posting why i think bats is mafia which - if true - makes him more likely town.
Koshi could you be Will Smith and go read KoC's past town games just to see if there is any game where he just asks questions and doesn't do shit.
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On August 12 2014 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 22:20 onevone wrote:
(Dunno why mentioning rayn there makes him scum still) Because it is a proof that he is either not reading the thread prpperly which is a scum trait or he has some idea from my posting why i think bats is mafia which - if true - makes him more likely town. Koshi could you be Will Smith and go read KoC's past town games just to see if there is any game where he just asks questions and doesn't do shit.
fu rayn. I already did that. Insane amount of questions in his newbie town game. Page 2/3/4. KoC just did more stuff in the newbie game. But not always related to his questions.
On August 12 2014 20:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 20:14 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 20:01 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 19:51 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 19:42 Koshi wrote:
No. I don't have to. I am sure he is not the best lynch. He is very likely town anyway.
Hmm but proving KoC is town might makes it easier for people to find scum.
Oh well.
batsnacks is not scummy to you? Not really. There are some things that really make me lean town, like his super careless opening posts and openly asking who he should sheep. All of that serves no purpose as scum, in fact it's harmful to his survival, but I could certainly see town posting like that. I also pretty much agree that KoC posting a hundred questions isn't really helpful while appearing to be contributive (especially since some of the questions were repeated questions from earlier). He hasn't really done anything besides that though. The opening post isn't townie at all. Doing completely nothing and asking to sheep somebody works as scum. I have done it in Normal Mini Mafia LVI. Him going after KoC is completely wrong. This screams of scum jumping on something delicious. I'm caught up. I don't really care how many minutes apart his quad post was. I think his questions show a "this is what I -can- comment on" mindset. Not a "this is what I -should be- commenting on" mindset. Even if people do respond to those questions, the responses will be really spread out, nothing is going to get done. They are questions for the sake of questions. He even said "I don't know if these have been asked already." He could have just written the questions down, waited until he finished reading, and then ask them all at once if they had in fact not been answered. 1 page filter. Well, it could be that I'm overthinking stuff, but as I said, I don't think I've ever seen scum open in a way that brings them no benefits and only gathers negative attention. Perhaps batsnacks is just an extremely lazy scum and doesn't care about his appearance... but I prefer to believe that it's more of a townie attitude, I guess. Could you make your towncase on KoC? Since it also affects how to read batsnacks a bit. (If KoC turns out to be town, it makes batsnacks look a bit worse) I somewhere want him to post a bit more before I really townread him. Just read this town game and compare it to this scum game. I think it gives him space till D2.
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Koshi i don't totes agree with you. In his town game he actually reaches to some conclusions. In his scumgame he doesn't. He talks about irrelevant stuff. While you are right in that he asks way more questions in his town game i don't see how this looks like his town game at all (because the questions are dumb - not thought out - and there are zero conclusions at all).
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On August 12 2014 12:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:13 kushm4sta wrote:On August 12 2014 10:52 batsnacks wrote:
I think it's interesting that damdred and his buddy mages are scum reading each other. interesting in what way I think Damdred told his buddy about this awesome site for playing mafia called tl.net. And now someone who plays similarly to Damdred is playing with us; his name is mages. If this is true, isn't interesting that during their first game playing together here, that they would scum read each other? I would expect friends from another site to form some kind of initial camaraderie around each other in their first game together on this site. The fact that Damdred is so quick to scum read his buddy, indicates the seriousness of his conviction.
[list][*]^When I asked this question, I was looking for reads on damdred or mages and he gave none.
[*]His only read has been based on koc not consolidating. And he has kept to it despite it being really shallow
[*]He has complained multiple times of being busy, yet he is actually tryharding more than most of his town games at this stage in terms of offering presentable content.
##unvote
##vote batsnacks
i was here first, officially my wagon if he's scum.
if he's not scum it can be onevone's wagon or something.
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On August 12 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 22:16 onevone wrote:
Huh, that's true. Then I admit my mistake. However, that's the only "lie" I made yet, Koshi, so you should stop saying that already. hahahahaha↓ Show nested quote +TheKingOfTheCats was clearly following the thread for several hours and keeping up with the events less than 2 pages in game, only 1 event, KoC didn't ignore that event. Show nested quote +It's called pressure and also "beggars can't be choosers" Would you rather still be talking about Avatar.. I prefer to talk about potential scum. When pressured about why you put a 4th vote on mm1 without any basis.
Here we go again... At least the amount of points is reduced by now.
1) I just don't get it. Why does it matter if it was only 2 pages in game? Where am I even saying any lie? The fact still remains that he was around, at least to some extent, for several hours / 2 pages and all he did was post those two small questions. Now I can understand that it might be just his general playstyle after looking at his earlier towngame, but at the time I was only answering VE's question about why was I more interested in KoC over Onegu and I had no idea about KoC's meta back then. So there's no contradiction, no lie, nothing. It's simply a short answer to VE's question that is absolutely devoid of lies.
2) A) The vote wasn't "without any basis". Now you're lying..... Sigh. B) I don't see what's wrong with putting your vote on your only, although weak, scumread. C) It's just objectively better to talk about wagons than to talk off-topic. My vote didn't move the discussion away from Avatar, no, but certainly it was more constructive to the discussion than delaying my vote and talking about something less relevant. It's just plain good to move your vote around according to your opinions.
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On August 12 2014 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i don't totes agree with you. In his town game he actually reaches to some conclusions. In his scumgame he doesn't. He talks about irrelevant stuff. While you are right in that he asks way more questions in his town game i don't see how this looks like his town game at all (because the questions are dumb - not thought out - and there are zero conclusions at all).
Yes I know. That's why I am saying that I want him to actually do stuff.
But some of his questions are spot on.
Unless he figured out that in his newbie game he just mass asks questions and decided to copy it here we shouldn't lynch him I think.
If you just glance at it this game is a worse version of his towngame and nothing like his scumgame.
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On August 12 2014 22:32 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:18 batsnacks wrote:On August 12 2014 12:13 kushm4sta wrote:On August 12 2014 10:52 batsnacks wrote:
I think it's interesting that damdred and his buddy mages are scum reading each other. interesting in what way I think Damdred told his buddy about this awesome site for playing mafia called tl.net. And now someone who plays similarly to Damdred is playing with us; his name is mages. If this is true, isn't interesting that during their first game playing together here, that they would scum read each other? I would expect friends from another site to form some kind of initial camaraderie around each other in their first game together on this site. The fact that Damdred is so quick to scum read his buddy, indicates the seriousness of his conviction. [list][*]^When I asked this question, I was looking for reads on damdred or mages and he gave none. [*]His only read has been based on koc not consolidating. And he has kept to it despite it being really shallow [*]He has complained multiple times of being busy, yet he is actually tryharding more than most of his town games at this stage in terms of offering presentable content. ##unvote
##vote batsnacksi was here first, officially my wagon if he's scum. if he's not scum it can be onevone's wagon or something.
It's my wagon. Scum or not.
And all the stuff you say I said in my vote already.
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On August 12 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn0_Man could you also explain to me why you just said "it's more Koshi who is taking things out of proportion" but all of your post suggests otherwise. You don't like my points but Koshi has some sensible ideas.
How does that make sense? Koshi's push on the "avatar" bit see: On August 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:37 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:29 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am putting Mages to townpile aswell. By the way, it'd be more helpful if you also explained your reads while sharing them rather than just saying "X is town, Y is scum". I agree with rayn. It would be helpful if you could tell us why Mages his play is most likely coming from town. Why should rayn tell you the answers to the game? rayn is testing others if they pay attention. Why are you not paying attention? Spoilered because I am bored talking about this: + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2014 00:28 onevone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1On August 11 2014 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
His first post was all "Man I'm so bad and I can already tell you that you won't want to listen to anything I say"
Obviously I'm paraphrasing. But that's the feels I got reading his post. It made my ass twitch. Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote? Dunno, I had just finished writing about Mages and moved on to MM1. Both had downplayed themselves, but MM1 also talked about Avatar, so I guess I just put it in there. Yeah you are scum. There is no reason for you to bring up again that somebody talked about Avatar in the 5 first posts of the game when everybody at that time was talking about Avatar. It is completely null that when there are people talking about watching Avatar, there is another guy who chimes in and says "I also watch avatar". There is no fucking way that you can add him talking about Avatar to something else and come to the conclusion he is scum or scummy. It's you who isn't paying attention, since I explained my town lean on Mages in one of my first posts + I've repeatedly said that the sentence about Avatar wasn't a reason for him being scum. Stop lieing. Here are your reads: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
So, here are my brief observations from the early posts (any topics I took the effort to write down):
1) Mages
Started the game by downplaying himself, which might be new/nervous town or scummy avoiding of attention. Continued to express his thoughts after that, which makes me lean town, especially since he wasn't just following the flow of the thread but rather tried to bring his own thoughts to the discussion. Especially as a new scum player it would be somewhat hard/risky to post like that.
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
The bolded is for both people the same. They downplay their game. BUT, the green stuff makes Mages a townread for you. While the red stuff made MM1 a scumread for you. Clearly Avatar talk made MM1 more scummy to you. If you say that it never did, I am just calling scumhunting for this day and make sure you are lynched. Maybe you were an overzealous townie, maybe, but don't tell me you weren't scumreading MM1 partly because he talked about Avatar. Because you did. To me, its obvious here that what made MM1 1v1's vote candidate was his response to VE's pressure and the Kush/VE votes indicating that others agreed with him. Which really isn't a town mindset but is also not what Koshi was trying to push on him. Which is why I felt like you two weren't necessarily pushing on the right axis and it made it hard to read. Hence, On August 12 2014 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't read that post the same way koshi I do think attacking same easy targets other people attack is scummy. I mean, townies do that aswell. But the whole construction of the post does not say anything - all it does is it gives onevone all sorts of outs to back off from his reads later on.
I had a feeling you were referring to batsnacks when you said this btw, on how he is just repeatedly attacking kotc when everyone have already pointed that shit out.
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yeah but i made a case first, koshi. suck it.
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On August 12 2014 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i don't totes agree with you. In his town game he actually reaches to some conclusions. In his scumgame he doesn't. He talks about irrelevant stuff. While you are right in that he asks way more questions in his town game i don't see how this looks like his town game at all (because the questions are dumb - not thought out - and there are zero conclusions at all).
Maybe... But this still looks closer to his towngame IMO. I hope he starts actually doing something with all of his questions though.
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On August 12 2014 22:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 21:46 onevone wrote:
I'm sorry, but I heavily doubt that I would get lynched. I haven't been lynched as town in like 2 years, I think.
Onegu, could you explain your read on rayn in more detail? Like not really, i really go off of feeling with rayn and try to figure out if he means what he says and what he is asking. And at this point I believe him and get no feelings the other way.
And you're always correct?
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officially updating what I wrote in my notebook after some errors have been spotted in my attempt to pen down everything; this is my first time trying this shit to supplement my shitty d1. Don't bother scumreading me for this post because this just represents what I wrote and found interesting, plus my after thoughts. You don't need to agree with them.
Fun fact for rayn:
On August 12 2014 03:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
So okay. These are the people I'd lynch into today:
MysteryMeat1, Onegu, KingofCats, batsnacks
I feel like the case on MM is the strongest, so that's where my vote is. But I feel like I'm going to have to move it because people are squeamish about lynching him based on his history of being D1 mislynched, so I'm going to look into alternatives.
I accidentally thought you wrote this and wrote down that you felt bat was scummy. MY BAD.
1)MM1 called 1v1 town, but 1v1 called MM1 scum. It is almost like they chose to talk about each other just so that they have content about one another.
2)batsnacks is scumread by most (sn0,koshi,kush). Nobody have townread bat so far.
3)Damndred/mages interaction feels out of place and feels forced. It almost feels like they are staging a show just to show that they interacted with one another. They used meta from unquotable/uncheckable sources that obviously shows that they are staging some sort of performance.
As such, I have my list out:
Top town: Haru
Leaning town: MM1 (he always die early and is always the lynch target)
Fence: kush, mages, rayn, onegu, kotc, damndred, sn0,bat, koshi (I still need time to evaluate their game play).
Leaning scum:
VE (his reads are not consistent)
1v1 (his reads feels forced and rehearsed, almost a perfect copy each time he gives his list)
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Could we have countdowns with the votecounts btw?
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On August 12 2014 22:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn0_Man could you also explain to me why you just said "it's more Koshi who is taking things out of proportion" but all of your post suggests otherwise. You don't like my points but Koshi has some sensible ideas.
How does that make sense? Koshi's push on the "avatar" bit see: On August 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:37 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:29 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am putting Mages to townpile aswell. By the way, it'd be more helpful if you also explained your reads while sharing them rather than just saying "X is town, Y is scum". I agree with rayn. It would be helpful if you could tell us why Mages his play is most likely coming from town. Why should rayn tell you the answers to the game? rayn is testing others if they pay attention. Why are you not paying attention? Spoilered because I am bored talking about this: + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2014 00:28 onevone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1On August 11 2014 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
His first post was all "Man I'm so bad and I can already tell you that you won't want to listen to anything I say"
Obviously I'm paraphrasing. But that's the feels I got reading his post. It made my ass twitch. Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote? Dunno, I had just finished writing about Mages and moved on to MM1. Both had downplayed themselves, but MM1 also talked about Avatar, so I guess I just put it in there. Yeah you are scum. There is no reason for you to bring up again that somebody talked about Avatar in the 5 first posts of the game when everybody at that time was talking about Avatar. It is completely null that when there are people talking about watching Avatar, there is another guy who chimes in and says "I also watch avatar". There is no fucking way that you can add him talking about Avatar to something else and come to the conclusion he is scum or scummy. It's you who isn't paying attention, since I explained my town lean on Mages in one of my first posts + I've repeatedly said that the sentence about Avatar wasn't a reason for him being scum. Stop lieing. Here are your reads: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
So, here are my brief observations from the early posts (any topics I took the effort to write down):
1) Mages
Started the game by downplaying himself, which might be new/nervous town or scummy avoiding of attention. Continued to express his thoughts after that, which makes me lean town, especially since he wasn't just following the flow of the thread but rather tried to bring his own thoughts to the discussion. Especially as a new scum player it would be somewhat hard/risky to post like that.
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
The bolded is for both people the same. They downplay their game. BUT, the green stuff makes Mages a townread for you. While the red stuff made MM1 a scumread for you. Clearly Avatar talk made MM1 more scummy to you. If you say that it never did, I am just calling scumhunting for this day and make sure you are lynched. Maybe you were an overzealous townie, maybe, but don't tell me you weren't scumreading MM1 partly because he talked about Avatar. Because you did. To me, its obvious here that what made MM1 1v1's vote candidate was his response to VE's pressure and the Kush/VE votes indicating that others agreed with him. Which really isn't a town mindset but is also not what Koshi was trying to push on him. Which is why I felt like you two weren't necessarily pushing on the right axis and it made it hard to read. Hence, On August 12 2014 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't read that post the same way koshi I do think attacking same easy targets other people attack is scummy. I mean, townies do that aswell. But the whole construction of the post does not say anything - all it does is it gives onevone all sorts of outs to back off from his reads later on. I had a feeling you were referring to batsnacks when you said this btw, on how he is just repeatedly attacking kotc when everyone have already pointed that shit out.
Okay Haru is mafia because this does not make any sense at all.
Noone is stupid enough to not see i am talking about - and ONLY about - 1v1 here.
No chance.
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On August 12 2014 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here: Show nested quote +1)MM1 called 1v1 town, but 1v1 called MM1 scum. It is almost like they chose to talk about each other just so that they have content about one another.
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Leaning town: MM1 (he always die early and is always the lynch target)
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1v1 (his reads feels forced and rehearsed, almost a perfect copy each time he gives his list) This does not make any sense because in the first part you basically say you think those guys could be scum together. Then you townread the other one and scumread the other. Which makes no sense at all that you wrote all those paragraphs.
Neither do you make sense, since I already mentioned they were what I wrote down, not reads.
Show nested quote +2)batsnacks is universally scumread by everyone (sn0,rayn,koshi,kush). Nobody have townread bat so far. I had not talked about a single thing about bats when you made your post. Or if i have show me where i say i think he is mafia? I have had a read on 5 people - none of them were bats. At that point I had said kush is town, Koshi is town, Onegu is town, Haru and 1v1 are scum.
I think I pointed that out in my post above ^
Leaning scum: koshi (he has been the most wishy washy player till now) Explain how because i don't see how either of these are anywhere near the truth. You can't just say something and not explain it. Sooner or later you have to, and now is later because this - to me - makes no sense at all.
This is based on the fact that I thought koshi voted sn0, but it was actually wrong.
Show nested quote +I circled (koshi townreads sn0, changes to wanting to lynch him for lying, then changes to liking him) in my notebook. Wrong (i know you already said you misread but still wrong). That's pretty much everything you have said in this game except for your null reads.....
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misread so it is definitely wrong, thanks for pointing out that the wrong is a wrong
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