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HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 13:50 GMT
#626
On August 12 2014 22:50 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 22:48 HaruRH wrote:
BRB give me 20 minutes to redo my drawing, I think I might have confused myself here.

On August 12 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:
On August 12 2014 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2014 22:35 HaruRH wrote:
On August 12 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 12 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn0_Man could you also explain to me why you just said "it's more Koshi who is taking things out of proportion" but all of your post suggests otherwise. You don't like my points but Koshi has some sensible ideas.

How does that make sense?

Koshi's push on the "avatar" bit see:
On August 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:
On August 12 2014 00:37 onevone wrote:
On August 12 2014 00:33 Koshi wrote:
[quote]
I agree with rayn.

It would be helpful if you could tell us why Mages his play is most likely coming from town. Why should rayn tell you the answers to the game? rayn is testing others if they pay attention.

Why are you not paying attention?


Spoilered because I am bored talking about this:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2014 00:28 onevone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:
On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:


2) MysteryMeat1

Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.

After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.

##Vote MysteryMeat1


On August 11 2014 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
His first post was all "Man I'm so bad and I can already tell you that you won't want to listen to anything I say"

Obviously I'm paraphrasing. But that's the feels I got reading his post. It made my ass twitch.


Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote?


Dunno, I had just finished writing about Mages and moved on to MM1. Both had downplayed themselves, but MM1 also talked about Avatar, so I guess I just put it in there.

Yeah you are scum.

There is no reason for you to bring up again that somebody talked about Avatar in the 5 first posts of the game when everybody at that time was talking about Avatar.

It is completely null that when there are people talking about watching Avatar, there is another guy who chimes in and says "I also watch avatar".

There is no fucking way that you can add him talking about Avatar to something else and come to the conclusion he is scum or scummy.


It's you who isn't paying attention, since I explained my town lean on Mages in one of my first posts + I've repeatedly said that the sentence about Avatar wasn't a reason for him being scum.

Stop lieing.

Here are your reads:
On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
So, here are my brief observations from the early posts (any topics I took the effort to write down):

1) Mages

Started the game by downplaying himself, which might be new/nervous town or scummy avoiding of attention. Continued to express his thoughts after that, which makes me lean town, especially since he wasn't just following the flow of the thread but rather tried to bring his own thoughts to the discussion. Especially as a new scum player it would be somewhat hard/risky to post like that.

2) MysteryMeat1

Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.

After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.

The bolded is for both people the same. They downplay their game.

BUT, the green stuff makes Mages a townread for you. While the red stuff made MM1 a scumread for you.

Clearly Avatar talk made MM1 more scummy to you. If you say that it never did, I am just calling scumhunting for this day and make sure you are lynched. Maybe you were an overzealous townie, maybe, but don't tell me you weren't scumreading MM1 partly because he talked about Avatar. Because you did.
To me, its obvious here that what made MM1 1v1's vote candidate was his response to VE's pressure and the Kush/VE votes indicating that others agreed with him. Which really isn't a town mindset but is also not what Koshi was trying to push on him. Which is why I felt like you two weren't necessarily pushing on the right axis and it made it hard to read.

Hence,
On August 12 2014 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't read that post the same way koshi

I do think attacking same easy targets other people attack is scummy. I mean, townies do that aswell. But the whole construction of the post does not say anything - all it does is it gives onevone all sorts of outs to back off from his reads later on.


I had a feeling you were referring to batsnacks when you said this btw, on how he is just repeatedly attacking kotc when everyone have already pointed that shit out.

Okay Haru is mafia because this does not make any sense at all.
Noone is stupid enough to not see i am talking about - and ONLY about - 1v1 here.
No chance.

He just changed his story.

meh, I am not a fan of HaruRh but less a fan of batsnacks.

In some Universe I can see HaruRH being town and playing exactly like this.


In the universe where Haru actually wants to play d1 and not be a lynch target for ALL GAMES because he cant give reads d1

hmm? Aren't you the guy saying that he is unlynchable after D1 because you always look insanely town?


Who?
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 13:56 GMT
#628
On August 12 2014 22:55 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 22:50 HaruRH wrote:
On August 12 2014 22:50 Koshi wrote:
On August 12 2014 22:48 HaruRH wrote:
BRB give me 20 minutes to redo my drawing, I think I might have confused myself here.

On August 12 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:
On August 12 2014 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2014 22:35 HaruRH wrote:
On August 12 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 12 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn0_Man could you also explain to me why you just said "it's more Koshi who is taking things out of proportion" but all of your post suggests otherwise. You don't like my points but Koshi has some sensible ideas.

How does that make sense?

Koshi's push on the "avatar" bit see:
On August 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:
[quote]
Stop lieing.

Here are your reads:
[quote]
The bolded is for both people the same. They downplay their game.

BUT, the green stuff makes Mages a townread for you. While the red stuff made MM1 a scumread for you.

Clearly Avatar talk made MM1 more scummy to you. If you say that it never did, I am just calling scumhunting for this day and make sure you are lynched. Maybe you were an overzealous townie, maybe, but don't tell me you weren't scumreading MM1 partly because he talked about Avatar. Because you did.
To me, its obvious here that what made MM1 1v1's vote candidate was his response to VE's pressure and the Kush/VE votes indicating that others agreed with him. Which really isn't a town mindset but is also not what Koshi was trying to push on him. Which is why I felt like you two weren't necessarily pushing on the right axis and it made it hard to read.

Hence,
On August 12 2014 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't read that post the same way koshi

I do think attacking same easy targets other people attack is scummy. I mean, townies do that aswell. But the whole construction of the post does not say anything - all it does is it gives onevone all sorts of outs to back off from his reads later on.


I had a feeling you were referring to batsnacks when you said this btw, on how he is just repeatedly attacking kotc when everyone have already pointed that shit out.

Okay Haru is mafia because this does not make any sense at all.
Noone is stupid enough to not see i am talking about - and ONLY about - 1v1 here.
No chance.

He just changed his story.

meh, I am not a fan of HaruRh but less a fan of batsnacks.

In some Universe I can see HaruRH being town and playing exactly like this.


In the universe where Haru actually wants to play d1 and not be a lynch target for ALL GAMES because he cant give reads d1

hmm? Aren't you the guy saying that he is unlynchable after D1 because you always look insanely town?


Who?

Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 02:02 HaruRH wrote:
On July 28 2014 02:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On July 28 2014 01:56 HaruRH wrote:
BTW,:

"I kinda knew I was going to get shot when I accidentally end up in so many people's townlist. My d1 play usually revolves around me being in half of people's scumlist and half in town to secure my safety in n1.
Also, my 100% townread of teemu comes from the fact that when teemu and I were scum, he told me that he how he soft copclaims (working in a police office lul) so I would presume he is trying to tell me that he is the same alignment as me this game, as this crap won't work if he is scum and I am town last game. "

To answer vivax's question too.

You should always aim to be townread. If you take a bullet that is great (ok, if you are blue not THAT great but still...). Don't act scummy on purpose as town.


It's just how I choose to play It's because I don't have limits when I try to gain towncreds, 99.999% of the time ill end up in everyone's town list and die n1 (like marv/plammar). So I chose to try and survive till d2 since my d2 is arguably my best part of the game.



Yea, and my name appears in all votelists in games I play for d1 btw.
I still stand by my view that my d2 is my favourite part of the game, where I start figuring things out
BUT NOT D1 GOD DAMMIT
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 13:58 GMT
#630
On August 12 2014 22:57 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i'm interested in why you think haru is scum, because i don't quite get your case and haru looking pretty town to me


I'm interested to know why too. Is he going to point out some arguments that I already said I had written wrongly, or present something I can actually fight against?
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 14:13 GMT
#633
Meanwhile, ill just throw my vote with 1v1.

##Unvote
##Vote: Onevone
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 14:13 GMT
#634
On August 12 2014 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 22:57 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i'm interested in why you think haru is scum, because i don't quite get your case and haru looking pretty town to me

He doesn't make any sense. Trust me on this.


Show me a game where I made sense d1 and youre allowed to lynch me right here right now.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 14:42 GMT
#655
On August 12 2014 23:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 23:13 HaruRH wrote:
Meanwhile, ill just throw my vote with 1v1.

##Unvote
##Vote: Onevone

It's majority lynch. Are you planning to convince 6 other to vote with you?


Not possible, I am going to sleep now <3 its way past my allocated bedtime, now I have less than 7 hours of sleep
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 14:48 GMT
#661
On August 12 2014 23:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 23:42 HaruRH wrote:
On August 12 2014 23:20 Koshi wrote:
On August 12 2014 23:13 HaruRH wrote:
Meanwhile, ill just throw my vote with 1v1.

##Unvote
##Vote: Onevone

It's majority lynch. Are you planning to convince 6 other to vote with you?


Not possible, I am going to sleep now <3 its way past my allocated bedtime, now I have less than 7 hours of sleep

Then vote batsnacks. If you won't I will really consider changing votes to you.


Fine. In exchange you let me sleep right now.

I literally cannot provide any content now because I spent too much of my only free time doing that stupid notebook idea. I still like that idea tho, I will try to do it for all my games in the future (and try to not make any mistakes)
1v1 I will explain them tomorrow when I wake up, approx. 7 hours later.

##Unvote
##Vote: batsnacks
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 12 2014 21:41 GMT
#981
##Unvote
##Vote: Mages
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 13 2014 22:04 GMT
#1034
I shot 1v1
Shit he flipped vt
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 13 2014 22:09 GMT
#1036
Sorry 1v1.
I should have shot sn0 instead. But w/e
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 13 2014 22:11 GMT
#1038
So ve you claiming scum already?
Thats cute, 2 surrenders in a row
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 13 2014 22:14 GMT
#1042
On August 14 2014 07:13 batsnacks wrote:
Why would damdred shoot 1v1?


Haru shoot 1v1*
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 14 2014 02:05 GMT
#1053
On August 14 2014 10:48 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 07:14 HaruRH wrote:
On August 14 2014 07:13 batsnacks wrote:
Why would damdred shoot 1v1?


Haru shoot 1v1*


But yeah I'm still curious, why 1v1? He had the biggest filter. Don't people like to say that whoever has the biggest filter d1 is auto-town?


Thats just a heuristic.
I had my worries abiut the damdred-mages interaction. However, I don't think it was a scum-scum interaction. So i wrote off damdred as town.
Kush is town.
Koshi maybe town.
Im town.
Rayn probably town.
Mm1 is town.

Therefore, I considered shooting in the pool of:
Bat/ve/kotc/sn0/onegu/1v1.

Out of these, bat/ve were lynchable. Not wasting bullets on them.
Kotc was townread by some.
So I was to shoot in sn0/onegu/1v1.

But I ranked it as 1v1 > sn0 > onegu in terms of who I wanna shoot more.
Onegu voted me at the end and didnt shift.
1v1/sn0 was the first 2 to jump on mages AFTER his concede. Could be a bus. So I had to decide who of these 2 to shoot, and I chose 1v1 because he feels the hardest to lynch of these 2.

That was my thought process.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 14 2014 02:40 GMT
#1055
On August 14 2014 11:30 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 11:05 HaruRH wrote:
On August 14 2014 10:48 batsnacks wrote:
On August 14 2014 07:14 HaruRH wrote:
On August 14 2014 07:13 batsnacks wrote:
Why would damdred shoot 1v1?


Haru shoot 1v1*


But yeah I'm still curious, why 1v1? He had the biggest filter. Don't people like to say that whoever has the biggest filter d1 is auto-town?


Thats just a heuristic.
I had my worries abiut the damdred-mages interaction. However, I don't think it was a scum-scum interaction. So i wrote off damdred as town.
Kush is town.
Koshi maybe town.
Im town.
Rayn probably town.
Mm1 is town.

Therefore, I considered shooting in the pool of:
Bat/ve/kotc/sn0/onegu/1v1.

Out of these, bat/ve were lynchable. Not wasting bullets on them.
Kotc was townread by some.
So I was to shoot in sn0/onegu/1v1.

But I ranked it as 1v1 > sn0 > onegu in terms of who I wanna shoot more.
Onegu voted me at the end and didnt shift.
1v1/sn0 was the first 2 to jump on mages AFTER his concede. Could be a bus. So I had to decide who of these 2 to shoot, and I chose 1v1 because he feels the hardest to lynch of these 2.

That was my thought process.


If you're town, everything you just said and can say about this game is a heuristic. Even after reading this post, I still don't feel like I understand why you picked 1v1. Did you realize you were targeting the person with the largest filter?


What does that even prove? Largest filter=town?

I can quote you many games where d1 most filter =/= town. Like my only scum loss.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 14 2014 03:22 GMT
#1057
I cant really prove it since some people lose steam to post after d1, etc.
But my point still stands. I had the longest filter d1 for my scumgame and I am still scum.
It shows that scum could have done it too.
Btw go hunt for those games yourself
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 14 2014 06:59 GMT
#1075
Why is ve even doubting my shot?

Onegu is good lynch today.

He have almost no interaction with mages (except for that sad looking read on mages that came null). He never followed up on the truth that mages played mafia for 15 years. He NEVER mentioned his stance on mages. Scum.

##Vote: Onegu
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 14 2014 10:08 GMT
#1096
I still dont understand where did ve claim medic?

Yes, we lynching onegu today. Either onegu or sn0 (as an alternative wagon). Votes on nobody else or else you're scum.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 14 2014 10:10 GMT
#1097
Ve and kotc have to move to the main wagons today or else we will have to reevaluate them. They don't look as great either.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 14 2014 10:32 GMT
#1100
On August 14 2014 19:28 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody please explain why batsnacks is town?

1) Not solving the game, his recent contribution is attack confirmed town.
2) He gives irl excuses to not play. His kids have to go to school in a week. He needs to work. I have proven that in the 2 games he played before this one batsnacks posted during these times.
3) He is not batsnacks insane. In his towngames he is insane and prominent every time he posts. In his 1 scumgame he was very ghostly. Just like here.
4) Mages never pushed Batsnacks. He moved away from batsnacks to sit on KoC during primetime. Look at the votecount from marv I quoted.

How is this not enough?


This is enough, but not as scummy as onegu.

1) literally no mention of mages
2) the only 'mention' was a bullshit read that was proven false (his read was that mages seemed like a newbie while evidence suggests mages played for 15 fking years)
3) defended mages when mm1 was pushing mages
4) did not change vote for confirmed scum (this is debatable since he might not be around)
5) mages never pushed onegu either.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 14 2014 10:45 GMT
#1102
3) damdred*

Fuck I keep misreading
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
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