World Heavyweight Championship mafia III

On August 02 2014 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Is it really not? I just copy/pasted and it works fine for me:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463513-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-iii?user=Artanis[Xp]

On August 02 2014 10:08 IAmRobik wrote:
Not really stacked all that much. I could easily replace like 3 players

On August 04 2014 02:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not going to be around for deadlines either.

Lol I am so getting lynched this game.

On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fuck I got town again.

On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fuck I got town again.

On August 04 2014 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Why not?

On August 04 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, first and foremost if marv doesn't show up with something relevant and lurks - we kill him. I think we can all agree on that one.

So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown.

I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early?

Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game.

On August 04 2014 09:04 WaveofShadow wrote:

LOL Artanis that made me laugh
HF do you actually think that there is a good reason for anyone to call me confirmed town right now? And whether or not the answer is yes, why would scum artanis bother with that? You're better than that, my dear. What are you fishing for?

On August 04 2014 11:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I thought we established that I do but I don't know what I'm doing.

On August 05 2014 01:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


This.

I'm completely uninterested in the fight between Vivax and Holyflare. I feel like it's meaningless.

On August 05 2014 01:29 marvellosity wrote:

well, I'm kinda waiting to see what happens.

and all that.

On August 05 2014 06:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


He wasn't annoying in Titanic either and he was town.

On August 05 2014 07:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Who self-metas themselves as town?

Is that even a towny thing to do? Wtf?

On August 05 2014 11:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What's wrong with him voting early?

On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space.

##vote: tehpoofter

On August 06 2014 02:51 kushm4sta wrote:




Dunno, but that might be him being purposefully dense. I noticed in his last scumgame he likes to subtly misrepresent people to make them look scummy.
The misrepresentation is this:
Haru isn't calling both people scummy, he's calling artanis scummy for buddying someone who looks scummy.

On August 06 2014 03:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Again, I don't think he's mafia. It's a matter of bad townie vs mafia posting, and I simply don't see anything mafia-esque about this post.

Also, I don't know why you're talking about him subtly misrepresenting people, because the last scumgame he had that we were both in, he passionately went after Robik because of RNG. I don't really think that was necessarily "subtle" in any sense of the word.

On July 20 2014 16:46 gobbledydook wrote:
First I don't think snickers and damdred are both mafia and making a show out of it. If they were both mafia, they wouldn't attack each other and give town a chance to lynch them. So at most 1 of them can be mafia.


What damdred did:

he defends robik's rng lynch, gives some excuse for being inactive, then accuses snickers of being scummy because he doesn't respond directly to questions. Then he votes BH for not having any read other than rng. BH dies right before he could unvote, day 2 he hammers MM1, then day 3 is damdred twisting himself hard to apologize for lynching 2 towns.

Here's my take on what damdred's thinking:

damdred the scum wanted some town cred, so he makes the obvious defense of robik, forgoing the chance to hammer him day 1 as it would be very suspicious. Snicker attacks his lack of contribution, and damdred gives an excuse, anniversary with wife etc. We don't know if that was actually true, so let's assume it was the case and damdred was indeed busy. Then, feeling the need to 'contribute', he looks at the person who last attacked him, looks through his filter, and picks holes in it. Unfortunately the snickers bandwagon doesn't work and seeing a promising BH bandwagon hops on it with little explanation. He puts unvote after the hammer has hit to earn towncred for attempting to thwart the mislynch.
Day 2 he hammers MM1 because it's a mislynch for the taking.
Day 3, snickers presses him on the BH vote and MM1 vote. Now feeling that snickers is on to something, he tries to defend himself and apologise and bend over himself, but snickers smells scum and he panics.

The impression is that he's only writing when being pressured, and otherwise trying to lay low.

I'm not going to vote yet, I want to hear more from everyone first.

On August 06 2014 03:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Marv has made good posts and asked good questions, and Haru hasn't.

It's that simple.

On August 06 2014 05:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Nah.

On August 06 2014 05:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Idk.

If this is what you call scumhunting it's really dumb.

On August 06 2014 05:58 kushm4sta wrote:


not seeing the scum motivation behind this move? weird ok but scummy not really

On August 06 2014 07:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well my vote doesn't matter anymore, and I don't even feel like this is a great lynch.

On August 06 2014 07:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


This is concerning.

On August 06 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Yeah marv vote me.
Show your sick scumhunting skills to the game and let them see how my stuff came from confirmed town.

On August 06 2014 07:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not flipping. No more flipping for me.

We need to pick between Haru/GD and I refuse to consider Vivax until after lynch. Seriously, bandwagon flips are 100% guaranteed to kill town so we need to stop this switch right goddamn now.

On August 06 2014 06:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I don't really want to waste time doing that right now. I'll do it after lynch.

I need a minute to think.

On August 06 2014 06:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


At this point it's borderline impossible for Vivax to even be lynched, so you should probably decide between gd and haru instead.

I'm kind of leaning towards gd at this point but I'm not sure.

On August 06 2014 06:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I remember Haru had me as scum for similar reasons in Titanic.

Like I know his day 1 shit is incredibly asinine sometimes and it's the only thing stopping me from hammering him right now.

On August 06 2014 07:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well my vote doesn't matter anymore, and I don't even feel like this is a great lynch.

On August 06 2014 07:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


As am I.

I just looked back over GD's filter and I'm back to not remembering why I scumread him.

I think today is just a miss in general.

On August 06 2014 13:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Marv is basically 'we' and should be considered 'we' because everyone followed him because fuck it why not.

Also, if you honestly believe I orchestrated a mass voteswitch to Vivax at the last second, despite the fact that I was telling everyone not to, then lol. I seriously wish I was capable of that as mafia.

eh I guess it depends on Haru's flip really so I'm not putting much stock into it, but on balance I think scum are much more likely to follow a move at EOD rather than start one. path of least resistance and all

and I know that can be subverted, hence the "on balance" aspect

On August 06 2014 23:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, I don't get it.

I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD, but I wanted to keep everyone from doing a mass voteswitch and in the end I was forced to switch to someone I wasn't even considering.

And you always have a problem with my day 1, so I don't put any stock into what you're saying about it.

On August 06 2014 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Therein lies the problem. I felt like I was choosing to vote between two towns.

Are you asking me to lynch you?

On August 06 2014 23:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I had a valid excuse to never show up but I stuck it out and was very vocal about what I was thinking.

You are making shit up as you go, I swear.

On August 07 2014 05:44 marvellosity wrote:

Tone I guess? He may not have been very useful but he hasn't sounded/seemed scared to post either. i should probably do a meta check at some point

On August 08 2014 13:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I never had a 180 on Gobble. I voted him and the mass flip to Vivax forced me to switch. He should have fucking died but for some reason we killed Vivax.

Check the votelogs from yesterday.

On August 06 2014 07:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


As am I.

I just looked back over GD's filter and I'm back to not remembering why I scumread him.

I think today is just a miss in general.

On August 06 2014 23:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Because I wasn't convinced that either of them were scum.

On August 08 2014 13:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You're grossly underestimating the RL strings I had to pull just to be around at EoD.

Saying that I'm scummy for not knowing who the fuck to lynch at the very end of the day is absolute bullshit. I could have just thrown my vote down on Haru and fucked right off with a very real and believable excuse and we wouldn't even have a problem. I get that you have an issue with me not pushing my scumreads; really, I do. I get gunshy because, as a guy who has gotten mislynched under the absolute worst fucking circumstances, I absolutely hate missing as town.

I even made it clear to the thread that I wouldn't be around EoD. I could have just not shown up at all. But I did. I did, and I tried my best but at the end of the day I was still relatively unsure. Ultimately, I threw my vote down on GD, and that should have cleared any doubts that you had, but for some reason it doesn't.

If you're going to go after me for not liking killing people a whole lot, then go ahead. Don't sit here and fuck with me for not going after people for the slightest bullshit like you do.

On August 08 2014 13:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I don't know. I'll check.

Why were you so pissed off at kush? You never bothered talking to him about his case and you really only came out when he was dead. Why didn't you address him?

On August 08 2014 14:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I really like this tone we're setting. Let's keep doing this.

On August 09 2014 11:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yes.

On August 09 2014 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Question: what game is Vivaxing from?

On August 09 2014 11:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare/Jat/GD or some shit?

On August 09 2014 13:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I remember rayn made that image during a game to point out how bad Vivax's case was.

I don't know if Vivax was town or mafia that game, or if Holyflare was in it. I'm thinking it could possibly fall under "scumreading someone for bad reasons" but I'm not too sure.

I'd really like a link to the game in question, but I don't know which one it was.

On August 10 2014 11:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The fuck, I didn't post anything good in Noir. I bitched at someone because they were pissing me off and wound up completely ineffectual all game before I died on night 2.

That's a gross misrepresentation of my meta.

On August 10 2014 11:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Explain your above two posts please?

On August 10 2014 11:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Gd, why is it that it only took two minutes for marv to change your mind about lynching onegu over Poofter? Almost your entire filter consists of you trying to lynch Poofter, but you pretty much stop pursuing it entirely when marv tells you to.

On August 10 2014 12:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Simple: because it's really easy for you to stop giving a shit and coast to an easy win if you're mafia. Town, for the most part, doesn't really care, so there's no reason for you to start rallying the troops and start doing things.

On August 10 2014 12:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yeah, but it only took you two minutes to change your lynch target. You made no effort to pursue Poofter as a lynch at any point, and you just kind of fucked off when you put your vote down on onegu.

It looked like you didn't really care.

On August 11 2014 04:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Are you being totally serious right now?

On August 11 2014 14:23 goodkarma wrote:


Do you seriously think we stand a snowflake's prayer in hell of getting through this game without ensuring everyone consolidates? What I suggested is one way to ensure a non-scum influenced lynch. There's enough scummy people in this game right now that we're very unlikely to go 3 for 3 otherwise. Otherwise scum just goes "yeah this guy looks scummy," steers a lynch, and we lose gg.

As it is, it's a very hard battle. I kinda doubt we recover and win this. But /sheep is the best thing we can do. And if you /sheep the dude who just died, you guarantee a townie-led lynch. And if you have that dude post the desired lynch target just before deadline, scum nightkill couldn't have possibly been influenced by directing a mislynch based on people's reads. There's no doubt other ways to go about this, but I like mine the bestest. If you want to come up with your own method feel free to, but I'd encourage you to think up something instead of berating me and fast.

It's pretty clear you're going pants-on-head right now. Quite honestly, if you're going to be super-bad and disregard any suggestions to ensure some semblance of consolidation and as a result, ensure we lose, I really don't have the energy to argue right now. I can't be bothered to dive in and solve this game anything I say will probably get ignored anyway.

People have this super-stupid idea that if you don't post a ton you don't have anything meaningful to say. And so we get caught up in this shit-post war when anything off the top of your mind gets thrown onto paper and posted. It doesn't do anyone any favors, makes the game unreadable, and hurts town. This is probably my last game for at least a while. It was nowhere near this bad before, and I honestly can't understand how it ever got this way. Only playing limited post games if I play in the future 20+ page shitfilters aren't worth my time.

On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.

I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.

I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it.

On August 12 2014 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


No, that's just wrong. I made it clear that I wanted to vote between those two and then I demanded that town stay between them.

Unless you actually think I was demanding the opportunity to bus my own partner. There's no real analysis in your theory aside from vote analysis that doesn't really match up with the content in our filters.

On August 12 2014 05:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You're surprisingly fickle this game.

On August 12 2014 06:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


This isn't a scumtell and you know that it's not.

So I don't know what you're doing by trying to make it out that it is.

On August 12 2014 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why wouldn't we lynch Jat? Because he posted stuff?

Everything he just posted is wrong/bad so I don't know why you're letting him off the hook.

On August 12 2014 06:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You can make a giant post based on my votes but you didn't bother to look up why I was voting anyone?

Are you being totally serious right now?

On August 12 2014 06:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


If he's going to act like an idiot and say defensiveness is a scumtell then I'm going to vote him. He knows that it isn't and he refuses to base any of his analysis on content. He's deliberately ignoring my filter and the things that I've posted and is basically just characterizing everything I'm doing right now and trying to sell it as a scumtell.

It's all skin-deep and I don't know why you have him as town because of it.

On August 12 2014 07:02 Eden1892 wrote:
Eh I agree with Obi here, just not at non-3p LYLO