I remember rayn made that image during a game to point out how bad Vivax's case was.

I don't know if Vivax was town or mafia that game, or if Holyflare was in it. I'm thinking it could possibly fall under "scumreading someone for bad reasons" but I'm not too sure.

I'd really like a link to the game in question, but I don't know which one it was.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 09 2014 04:50 GMT

#2904

I do think it's relevant. I just really need to see the game because I need to confirm my suspicions.

I don't know what else you could possibly think is more relevant than the aftermath of this lynch.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 09 2014 05:00 GMT

#2906

It depends on if Holyflare read/played the game in question, and whether or not Vivax was mafia.

Holyflare justified his vote on Onegu by claiming that he was "Vivaxing," IE coming up with reasons for a scumread after having a scumread. If he played the game in question, and if Vivax was town, he would know that Vivaxing isn't actually a scumtell at all and has no place in a scumread.

There's a couple of things that don't really add up, so I really want to do my research before I start gunning for him.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 09 2014 06:54 GMT

#2909

I honestly don't know if that proves anything and sounds really convoluted but I look forward to your research.

Yeah, I know. I'm running out of ideas for lynch targets, so if you have any better ideas I'd be more than happy to hear them.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 09 2014 14:41 GMT

#2921

On August 09 2014 19:23 justanothertownie wrote:

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I don't even know what to say to this bullshit.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition
Vivax was scum and Holyflare played in this game. It was one of the bests cases ever and certainly not scumreading for bad reasons.

Yeah, I kind of figured. Alright.

So...I don't know who to kill. Seriously, I've got no idea. Poofter maybe?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 09 2014 20:15 GMT

#2950

Honestly, I'm feeling either a GD lynch or a Poofter lynch.

When I get home from work, I'll try to come up with more ideas, but idk.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 02:10 GMT

#3035

The fuck, I didn't post anything good in Noir. I bitched at someone because they were pissing me off and wound up completely ineffectual all game before I died on night 2.

That's a gross misrepresentation of my meta.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 02:19 GMT

#3036

Actually, that post reminds me a lot of what Holyflare does as mafia.

He ends up posting these weird meta read cases that are really shallow and end up falling apart upon close inspection. He never follows up on these posts either.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 02:34 GMT

#3037

Actually, gd, you said several times in your filter that my style was similar to what it was in Noir when I was town, and you thought I was town or at the very least null. The only reason you've given us for changing your read is a reason that doesn't actually exist.

I'm just going to go back to voting you.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 02:41 GMT

#3040

On August 10 2014 11:34 gobbledydook wrote:

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Well I was mafia in Noir and that wasn't what I thought. But you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to call for an obi lynch.

And you're not going to pressure me to figure out if you're right or not? No follow-up?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 02:51 GMT

#3043

Gd, why is it that it only took two minutes for marv to change your mind about lynching onegu over Poofter? Almost your entire filter consists of you trying to lynch Poofter, but you pretty much stop pursuing it entirely when marv tells you to.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 02:53 GMT

#3044

Haru's post about me being stuck tunneling him was really weird too, because I basically stopped trying to lynch him on day 1.

I don't know what to make of that.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 02:53 GMT

#3045

Also, Wave is town.

Eden, get your vote off of him.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 03:00 GMT

#3050

On August 10 2014 11:59 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Like...what few wall-o'-text posts I have bothered with this game have only made people think I was scummier. What exactly makes you think differently Obi?

Simple: because it's really easy for you to stop giving a shit and coast to an easy win if you're mafia. Town, for the most part, doesn't really care, so there's no reason for you to start rallying the troops and start doing things.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 03:02 GMT

#3051

On August 10 2014 11:55 gobbledydook wrote:

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His reason was pretty good, he agreed that poofter was scummy for being useless, but he proved that onegu was useless *and* perfectly fits his mafia meta, even though it turned out he was wrong. In no way did I say poofter shouldn't be lynched, marv just convinced me we lynch onegu first.

Yeah, but it only took you two minutes to change your lynch target. You made no effort to pursue Poofter as a lynch at any point, and you just kind of fucked off when you put your vote down on onegu.

It looked like you didn't really care.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 03:22 GMT

#3053

On August 10 2014 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Unfortunately, I would attribute this to you not knowing me very well----in most cases this wouldn't be a solid town point for me at all because I put effort into my scumgames. This game has been a little different for me for whatever reason. I think it's likely a combination of me having less time overall and maybe being demotivated by losing thus far and the fact that hardly anyone is around to talk when I can be (which is when I do my best work---conversationally)

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It looked like most people didn't really care. Hence one the paragraphs of my earlier post HF had a problem with. You could probably have said the same of me.

The issue I have isn't that most people don't care: it's that most people either openly didn't give a shit, a la you and me, or looked like they gave a shit and then immediately didn't when they didn't have to, a la GD.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 04:27 GMT

#3055

I know. I really wish I rolled mafia this game. =/

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

August 10 2014 05:09 GMT

#3060

I don't think my issue was that you changed your read, but that you changed your vote and then completely left Poofter alone and didn't pursue that lynch.