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On August 06 2014 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 13:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Marv is basically 'we' and should be considered 'we' because everyone followed him because fuck it why not.
Also, if you honestly believe I orchestrated a mass voteswitch to Vivax at the last second, despite the fact that I was telling everyone not to, then lol. I seriously wish I was capable of that as mafia. What? Where did I say you orchestrated the switch?
Very easy for scum in your position to protest the Vivax lynch or at the very least say you don't want to look into him because if he DOES get lynched then in theory you look good for being in the 'right,' and you don't have to do any looking into him at all. If he doesn't get lynched the outcome is slightly worse (maybe therein is the gamble...I suppose it would be more like you 'won' the gamble instead) but you gain an ally in Vivax maybe?
Maybe you planned on how it turned out? I dunno...I gotta leave this alone for a while and come back to it to see what makes the most sense. I think were I in that position as scum I would have taken a stance earlier and let the chips fall where they may.
Right here.
Also, I don't see anything that looks like it needs answering.
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That second quote doesn't say what you think it does, but I'll flesh it out.
I already told you that Marv went after Vivax because Vivax was being an asshole. I think you and I both agree that that's dumb.
I think the bigger issue is that Holyflare didn't like the fact that Vivax gave him answers about something, he ignored them, and then scumread Vivax for ignoring him. And then Marv agreed with him.
And then everyone is somehow okay with that mislynch because they think Vivax was mean to them.
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On August 06 2014 14:25 Eden1892 wrote:i could swear i talked about the marv/hf thing. but in-between bouts of restless sleep awaiting poofter's return i could well have dreamt it i thought the vivax lynch made marv look significantly worse than hf because pre-edit: lol i did here you go, i just didn't use any names so it didn't make any sense Show nested quote +eh I guess it depends on Haru's flip really so I'm not putting much stock into it, but on balance I think scum are much more likely to follow a move at EOD rather than start one. path of least resistance and all
and I know that can be subverted, hence the "on balance" aspect basically marv was sitting around watching for someone to sheep almost, reading eod. he seemed lost which is really out-of-character for him imo. i can understand it to an extent, but i didn't really feel like vivax made sense and... i dunno it just looked convenient to hop on hyperconfident holyflare's lynch i almost never scumread people who drive a new wagon at EOD unless the original wagon flips scum, i'm sure one day someone clever like onceking will burn me for it but until it happens i've literally never seen scum drum up a town bandwagon at eod to counter another town wagon WITH ALL THAT SAID i'm likely tinfoiling if i seriously consider the idea of either of them being scum right now, i would guess this is a moot question because they get n1'd and n2'd
You talked about it a bit, but Wave starting being Wave at me.
Honestly, I'm still getting the disjointedness in his posting. He still feels totally calculated and robotic in his posting. It feels like his scumread on me is forced because I thought I gave him reasonable answers, so I don't know where that's coming from. And then his read winds up being 100% wishy-washy.
I feel really paranoid this game.
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There was no case on Vivax. We killed him because omfg he was mean to us and fuck him anyway lolol.
Acting like a bad wagon can't be mafia driven is foolishness. There was tons of mafia motivation to turn the lynch onto Vivax at the last second. We now have two question marks in Haru and GD, and even if we kill both of them, it'll be hard to dictate exactly what the mafia was doing during day 1. It will take us days to decipher all of the information generated during the lynch because of the complexities, so saying it was town-motivated because it was easy is nonsense.
It's actually even more likely that the Vivax wagon was mafia driven because of the immense amount of confusion it generated in its wake.
You're grossly underestimating how badly this nonsensical third counterwagon hurts the town.
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I really hate this post.
'Wishy-washy' again, as if that's supposed to mean something, and I have no idea what 'wave being wave' means, coming from you, since you have no idea what I'm like.
It's not wishy-washy. I think you're being suspicious.
And I've played with you like 4 times, so acting like I don't know what you're normally like is somewhat silly. Even if I didn't, I could dive your filter and come up with a general idea of your posting.
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No, your argument is literally "mafia doesn't do anything crazy/unpredictable" and that assumption is nonsense.
Also, lol @ me being mafia. I wasn't even the one that had to put effort into debunking your case in yet you're still thinking this for some reason.
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Your argument is that the wagon was easy, so it has to be town-driven because there's no mafia motivation behind an easy third counterwagon onto a more experienced player. There couldn't be mafia interference because there's no case on Vivax, I mean...Really? What more could you ask for when everyone thinks that someone practically lynched themselves?
Even if both GD and Haru are town, there's plenty of motivation to take out a player that's really strong in the later stages of the game, because both of these players will end up being up for lynch later, if not immediately. It's like you refuse to acknowledge that anyone on the Vivax wagon could be mafia.
By your analysis, you're admitting that there isn't a single player on the Vivax lynch that could be mafia.
There's plenty of mafia motivation behind the Vivax lynch it's crazy that you can't see it. It actually kinda ticks me off, but you always do that so what do I know.
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ObiWanShinobi - scum. Waffled forever and seemed way too worried about how he looked. Only switched because he got browbeaten into it to avoid an NL.
You're a fucking idiot.
I regret signing up to play with you.
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On August 06 2014 15:53 Eden1892 wrote:
Cav, you're (still) not actually addressing the argument as it's presented. I spelled it out very concisely, thoroughly and clearly earlier.
It's patently false that I said no one on the Vivax wagon could be mafia. I explicitly named half of the people on it as scum or null.
I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish with your current angle. You know good and well it's not going to convince me of anything, and as far as I can tell it's not convincing anybody else, either (although admittedly there's only been one person, Wave, online to comment).
If a bunch of people you think are scum are on the Vivax wagon, then it is not a town-driven wagon.
Honestly, I'm going to take a break from posting for a while because both of you are frustrating me.
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Wagons can only be scum driven if there are more scum than town on them. Uhm, lol.
Also, I threw down two names so stop acting like I'm just shitting on people's thought processes.
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Christ alive, forget it. I literally don't even care.
You keep on keeping on with your analysis. Arguing with you is a waste of time.
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What's funny is that I said I wouldn't be around for deadlines, but I made an exception and put RL stuff off just so I could be around at lynch.
And now people are going after me for it.
This is what I get for giving a shit.
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No, I don't get it.
I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD, but I wanted to keep everyone from doing a mass voteswitch and in the end I was forced to switch to someone I wasn't even considering.
And you always have a problem with my day 1, so I don't put any stock into what you're saying about it.
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On August 06 2014 23:30 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, I don't get it.
I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD, but I wanted to keep everyone from doing a mass voteswitch and in the end I was forced to switch to someone I wasn't even considering.
And you always have a problem with my day 1, so I don't put any stock into what you're saying about it. Point 1: You said I played like how I normally do as town. That means you townread me. That means you should be on GD. Point 2:You was never forced to switch. They were ready to lynch me again once the time is near and nobody switches. Your hesitation + now your complains of being forced to switch don't match. Point 3:There will not be a nolynch on d1 because they were ready to jump back to me fyi.
Therein lies the problem. I felt like I was choosing to vote between two towns.
Are you asking me to lynch you?
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On August 06 2014 23:44 Eden1892 wrote:
not at all a too scummy to be scum argument... he was around for the last few minutes at EOD even though he had a valid excuse not to be which indicates a desire to be present at EOD which is townie
why wouldn't scum want a no-lynch? they would love to reduce the # of mislynches they need to force by 1 without giving us a flip
and who cares if Vivax hard scumread him? that doesn't mean anything for his alignment since that wasn't the reason he voted Vivax off
I had a valid excuse to never show up but I stuck it out and was very vocal about what I was thinking.
You are making shit up as you go, I swear.
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On August 06 2014 23:49 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 06 2014 23:30 HaruRH wrote:On August 06 2014 23:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, I don't get it.
I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD, but I wanted to keep everyone from doing a mass voteswitch and in the end I was forced to switch to someone I wasn't even considering.
And you always have a problem with my day 1, so I don't put any stock into what you're saying about it. Point 1: You said I played like how I normally do as town. That means you townread me. That means you should be on GD. Point 2:You was never forced to switch. They were ready to lynch me again once the time is near and nobody switches. Your hesitation + now your complains of being forced to switch don't match. Point 3:There will not be a nolynch on d1 because they were ready to jump back to me fyi. Therein lies the problem. I felt like I was choosing to vote between two towns. Are you asking me to lynch you? Why did you put yourself in that situation by pointedly refusing to push your scumread(s) in a remotely convincing way?
Because I wasn't convinced that either of them were scum.
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On August 06 2014 23:54 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 06 2014 23:44 Eden1892 wrote:
not at all a too scummy to be scum argument... he was around for the last few minutes at EOD even though he had a valid excuse not to be which indicates a desire to be present at EOD which is townie
why wouldn't scum want a no-lynch? they would love to reduce the # of mislynches they need to force by 1 without giving us a flip
and who cares if Vivax hard scumread him? that doesn't mean anything for his alignment since that wasn't the reason he voted Vivax off I had a valid excuse to never show up but I stuck it out and was very vocal about what I was thinking. You are making shit up as you go, I swear. you were very vocally bitching and moaning about the game state while doing nothing to move it elsewhere
I guess the part where I yelled about not switching to Vivax doesn't count.
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Does anyone know why Artanis replaced out?
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Because I can see him posting in the Cell pregame chat, and it doesn't look like he's inactive at all.
Idgi.
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Am super down for a gobble lynch. Way better than the Vivax lynch yesterday.
An Obi lynch is inadvisable.
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