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On August 06 2014 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On August 06 2014 07:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well my vote doesn't matter anymore, and I don't even feel like this is a great lynch. Do you have a better one? I feel like gd would better. I took a look at what kush was saying and saw merit to it and how GD operates as scum. I feel like this Haru lynch is just us lynching Haru for being Haru. I know he said some idiotic things but idk, it feels like he's playing his towngame like he always does.
On August 06 2014 07:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 07:13 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not at a computer to make a case and we definitely can't get 7 but I'm feeling really fucking paranoid of haru lynch As am I. I just looked back over GD's filter and I'm back to not remembering why I scumread him. I think today is just a miss in general.
On August 06 2014 07:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not flipping. No more flipping for me.
We need to pick between Haru/GD and I refuse to consider Vivax until after lynch. Seriously, bandwagon flips are 100% guaranteed to kill town so we need to stop this switch right goddamn now.
On August 08 2014 06:34 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Therein lies the problem. I felt like I was choosing to vote between two towns. Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Because I wasn't convinced that either of them were scum.
Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 05:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Am super down for a gobble lynch What changed? And why is there no explanation of that already?
Expanded version.
What gives?
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In order:
"I think gobble is a better kill than Haru"
"I don't remember why I scumread gobble, we're going to miss today"
"We're going to miss today, but I refuse to move to someone else because they will certainly flip town"
"I wasn't sure which one I wanted to kill"
"I felt forced to pick between two towns even though I refused to move"
"I wasn't convinced which one was scum"
"Let's kill gobble"
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On August 08 2014 06:40 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 06:22 Eden1892 wrote:On August 08 2014 06:13 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 08 2014 05:52 Eden1892 wrote:
Poofter, summarize your case on gooblegobblegooblegobble.
No peeking at the filter or the thread, as soon as you see this post it. I know you're online so if you don't answer in 5 minutes from this being posted then I'm going to assume you don't have one. 1) Shit accusation of me that was scummy for multiple reasons I immediately pointed out 2) Very pure wagon on him Me you Kush Vivax really close to EoD Maifa could have hoped on that ez pz 3) He was around at EoD but didn't talk and had time to vote though. Weird and shit. 4) His contributions haven't been anything to note imo In order: • I found the case you made. It's ok I guess, I find myself shrugging but at the same time I can't actually argue against it. • Big question though. Why would they? Haru was the lead wagon at/around EOD. Unless Haru is also scum there's no incentive for the mafia to piledrive him at EOD. Plus even if they did, gobble flipping town would point the finger squarely at the people who sheeped onto him instead of the people that drove him. • That wasn't my impression of the sequence of events though... • Sure and it's a reason to kill him, but it's a reason to kill half the game right now, which is why I'm having trouble with this. you think thats the case? I'd be pretty easy to toss scum on vivax got lynched so enough town thought he was mafia so like They could have easily jumped on. Mafia is always going to jump on a lynch and I agree on Haru. I'm okay with flipping him today if he flips scum that could be INSANELY good information if he flips town then not as much info but still info. It wasn't a case btw it was a brief synopsis. What was your impression cause thats what I got from being there. The 4th is a reason to compound upon the first 3. For what Its worth I think the Obi lynch is dumpster tier.
I assume this is the case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463513-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-iii?page=44#874
If it's something else my b pls link
Why would mafia "always jump on a lynch"? I actually don't even understand everything after your question "thats the case?" so... I don't know how to reply to this LOL Please restate everything from "I'd be" to "still info."
My impression was that he got online near EOD, quickly skimmed to see what was going on because Vivax was the lynch all of a sudden, and then moved vote to avoid an NL. I wasn't online and so normally I would defer, but no one(?) (I think) else has said that gobble was lurking at EOD just that he made a ninja vote at the last second. Idk someone else that was on at EOD (MARV) help me out on this, this just wasn't my impression and if Poof is right here that matters
And what's dumpster tier about obi lynch?
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Seriously though I'm not even exaggerating, Obi says with 45 mins before EOD that "today is a miss" (i.e. both candidates are definitely town) but then at 5 minutes says he won't switch because Vivax is guaranteed to be town and that we should figure out which of the two people he just said are townies should be lynched.
If you're sure both Haru and gobble are town, you switch onto Vivax there every single time without hesitation IMO, worst case is he's also town and you get the same result (an ML), but you have to consolidate there to avoid forcing an NL. You certainly don't say "Well I think Vivax is definitely town so we should figure out which of the two people I just called town we're lynching instead." All that does is hinder consolidation and risk not getting a lynch at all.
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On August 08 2014 06:53 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 06:42 justanothertownie wrote:On August 08 2014 06:40 Tehpoofter wrote:
For what Its worth I think the Obi lynch is dumpster tier. Explain. His ease of talking early on seemed townie to me. He didn't seem afraid to post day 1. He also wouldn't give us as much information as someone like Haru or Goobly. Haru being a wagon switched off late yesterday adn Goobly being my biggest scum read (::cough:: I'm totally not impartial ::cough: 
On August 08 2014 06:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
He also wouldn't give us as much information as someone like Haru or Goobly.
On August 08 2014 06:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
wouldn't give us as much information
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VNdeuDX.jpg)
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Fuck it, I'll entertain it anyway.
If Obi is scum, all three D1 wagons are town. He was obviously worried about looking sketchy for hopping on a town wagon late. If one of his teammates were up for a lynch he would already have been pushing to get the other wagon lynched.
How's that for information?
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On August 08 2014 04:12 Eden1892 wrote:
marv when will i break into the power rankings
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On August 08 2014 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
btw I think Haru might be town, based on something experimental i'm doing.
Merciful Based God Thank You
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Obi is bad for what I said below. Maybe not dumpster tier but I don't like it.
![[image loading]](http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/gooby+pls_928f38_4075689.jpg)
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On August 08 2014 07:01 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 06:44 Eden1892 wrote:On August 08 2014 06:40 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 08 2014 06:22 Eden1892 wrote:On August 08 2014 06:13 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 08 2014 05:52 Eden1892 wrote:
Poofter, summarize your case on gooblegobblegooblegobble.
No peeking at the filter or the thread, as soon as you see this post it. I know you're online so if you don't answer in 5 minutes from this being posted then I'm going to assume you don't have one. 1) Shit accusation of me that was scummy for multiple reasons I immediately pointed out 2) Very pure wagon on him Me you Kush Vivax really close to EoD Maifa could have hoped on that ez pz 3) He was around at EoD but didn't talk and had time to vote though. Weird and shit. 4) His contributions haven't been anything to note imo In order: • I found the case you made. It's ok I guess, I find myself shrugging but at the same time I can't actually argue against it. • Big question though. Why would they? Haru was the lead wagon at/around EOD. Unless Haru is also scum there's no incentive for the mafia to piledrive him at EOD. Plus even if they did, gobble flipping town would point the finger squarely at the people who sheeped onto him instead of the people that drove him. • That wasn't my impression of the sequence of events though... • Sure and it's a reason to kill him, but it's a reason to kill half the game right now, which is why I'm having trouble with this. you think thats the case? I'd be pretty easy to toss scum on vivax got lynched so enough town thought he was mafia so like They could have easily jumped on. Mafia is always going to jump on a lynch and I agree on Haru. I'm okay with flipping him today if he flips scum that could be INSANELY good information if he flips town then not as much info but still info. It wasn't a case btw it was a brief synopsis. What was your impression cause thats what I got from being there. The 4th is a reason to compound upon the first 3. For what Its worth I think the Obi lynch is dumpster tier. I assume this is the case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463513-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-iii?page=44#874If it's something else my b pls link Why would mafia "always jump on a lynch"? I actually don't even understand everything after your question "thats the case?" so... I don't know how to reply to this LOL Please restate everything from "I'd be" to "still info." My impression was that he got online near EOD, quickly skimmed to see what was going on because Vivax was the lynch all of a sudden, and then moved vote to avoid an NL. I wasn't online and so normally I would defer, but no one(?) (I think) else has said that gobble was lurking at EOD just that he made a ninja vote at the last second. Idk someone else that was on at EOD (MARV) help me out on this, this just wasn't my impression and if Poof is right here that matters And what's dumpster tier about obi lynch? haha that sentence was a train wreck I was typing it between phone calls.I meant to say "It would be ease to throw scum on vivax for a goobly lynch if he was town. (Seeing as vivax already got lynched yesterday enough people thought he was scummy and or an asshole) Then myself who people find scummy thus 2 town mafia could have "framed" for a bad kill on goobly should he actually be town. (I should proof read more)
OK maybe, but why couldn't they do that with the Vivax lynch? In fact if this would be so effective why aren't they now? (and if they are, where are they doing it?)
You're saying in effect "if gobble were town the mafia could have done X, and therefore since they didn't do X, gobble is definitely scum." You can't consider the original premise a conditional and then extrapolate a guaranteed contrapositive statement like that. This only holds if you're arguing that if gobble were town, the mafia definitely would have done what you're saying they could've done. And I see no reason to assume this.
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On August 08 2014 07:05 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 06:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Fuck it, I'll entertain it anyway.
If Obi is scum, all three D1 wagons are town. He was obviously worried about looking sketchy for hopping on a town wagon late. If one of his teammates were up for a lynch he would already have been pushing to get the other wagon lynched.
How's that for information? That is pretty okay info. What do we learn if Obi flips town though? Aside from that he says weird as shit as town (spoilers he does that)
Oh come on, you know my belief on that.
On July 13 2014 07:09 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, if Slamroot flips town, tell me, what information will we gain from it? none as with every town lynch ever
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On August 08 2014 07:03 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 06:49 Eden1892 wrote:
Seriously though I'm not even exaggerating, Obi says with 45 mins before EOD that "today is a miss" (i.e. both candidates are definitely town) but then at 5 minutes says he won't switch because Vivax is guaranteed to be town and that we should figure out which of the two people he just said are townies should be lynched.
If you're sure both Haru and gobble are town, you switch onto Vivax there every single time without hesitation IMO, worst case is he's also town and you get the same result (an ML), but you have to consolidate there to avoid forcing an NL. You certainly don't say "Well I think Vivax is definitely town so we should figure out which of the two people I just called town we're lynching instead." All that does is hinder consolidation and risk not getting a lynch at all. I'll say that this isn't the worst read ever. I'll see if I can find the today is a miss thing when I'm done with marv.
omfg are you even listening?! i will beat your fingers with a roller
i just posted it ten minutes ago
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** rolling pin
i'm not evil just frustrated
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Why do you motherfuckers all go Adkins whenever I get a good idea
Fuck
Can I just be given the power to vote for all 11 players in the game right now?
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** to vote on behalf of all 11
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Yeah, I just don't think that supporting evidence is actually supporting your case at all. Your initial theory is a decent enough core but I just found myself reading it and not really buying it. I'm looking at it again trying to figure out why I'm not buying it because I feel like there should be a reason I'm not and I can't articulate it.
I guess what's more problematic for me regarding your case is that I have in my view taken down the supporting details pretty convincingly. And I feel like the core argument shouldn't be rooted in one post from what, 3 calendar days ago? Like if he were scum there'd be more to it. Maybe that's it? Recency bias a bitch
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^That sounds right
No idea how to define aggressively, I don't consider myself to be "aggressively" on Poofter today at all and I would say I dogged him more than everyone sans HF
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poof/obi/artonegu scumteam???????
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Agree 100% with marv's associations post
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EPT
