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On August 12 2014 05:55 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, we have to ask ourselves WHY we struggled so hard. Did mafia really play so great and is fooling us or did we as a town just fuck up several times and fight amongst ourselves while mafia was just staying low and flew under the radar. this is the most seriousest gif i have ever posted on tl ![[image loading]](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121009000433/pffanon/images/7/77/Porque_no_los_dos.gif) In fact I almost guarantee it's both, good scumteams have at least one person running interference and at least one person chilling in the back waiting for LYLO
That sounds good in theory but who is running interference here? You seem to think it is HF but I have serious reservations about that. Maybe I am wrong and he fooled me but that would sadden me greatly. I think you are town I know I am town. If HF is not mafia - who is it?
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On August 12 2014 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:51 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.
I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.
I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it. But you were sooo reluctant to even vote at all which could be explained by you expecting Haru to flip and not wanting to vote for the wrong wagon/push him over the edge. No, that's just wrong. I made it clear that I wanted to vote between those two and then I demanded that town stay between them. Unless you actually think I was demanding the opportunity to bus my own partner. There's no real analysis in your theory aside from vote analysis that doesn't really match up with the content in our filters.
Then show it to me if you are town. Maybe you said you wanted town to stay between them but yeah, you might do that to not look awful if Haru gets lynched.
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On August 12 2014 06:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 05:51 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.
I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.
I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it. But you were sooo reluctant to even vote at all which could be explained by you expecting Haru to flip and not wanting to vote for the wrong wagon/push him over the edge. No, that's just wrong. I made it clear that I wanted to vote between those two and then I demanded that town stay between them. Unless you actually think I was demanding the opportunity to bus my own partner. There's no real analysis in your theory aside from vote analysis that doesn't really match up with the content in our filters. Then show it to me if you are town. Maybe you said you wanted town to stay between them but yeah, you might do that to not look awful if Haru gets lynched. What the fuck, go read my filter you lazy scrub.
I will tomorrow if I am alive. But whatever words I find in there won't change the actions you did in the end.
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It is quite telling that you can't be bothered to figure the game out but you CAN be bothered to get really defensive when I am starting to call you out Obi.
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On August 12 2014 06:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:05 justanothertownie wrote:
It is quite telling that you can't be bothered to figure the game out but you CAN be bothered to get really defensive when I am starting to call you out Obi. This isn't a scumtell and you know that it's not. So I don't know what you're doing by trying to make it out that it is.
Not trying to figure the game out in LYLO is not a scumtell? Sure, buddy...
And now you are just lazily OMGUSing me. If you are really town then we will lose because of people like you. Fortunately you probably aren't.
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On August 12 2014 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why wouldn't we lynch Jat? Because he posted stuff?
Everything he just posted is wrong/bad so I don't know why you're letting him off the hook.
Maybe you could show us WHY what I am posting is wrong instead of making idiotic statements like this?
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On August 12 2014 06:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:11 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 06:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 06:05 justanothertownie wrote:
It is quite telling that you can't be bothered to figure the game out but you CAN be bothered to get really defensive when I am starting to call you out Obi. This isn't a scumtell and you know that it's not. So I don't know what you're doing by trying to make it out that it is. Not trying to figure the game out in LYLO is not a scumtell? Sure, buddy... And now you are just lazily OMGUSing me. If you are really town then we will lose because of people like you. Fortunately you probably aren't. Yeah, because you're deliberately ignoring the content in my filter. Nothing you posted makes sense but you keep trying to characterize my arguments instead of looking to see if what you said actually makes sense. And it doesn't. It really, really doesn't. If you're so certain on me not being town, go reread my filter and try to match your analysis up with what has been going on instead of making a giant post about votes that doesn't really explain anything at all.
Your behaviour right now would be enough on it's own to scumread you. Instead of showing us who your scumreads are and why you are just getting defensive and start OMGUSing me. Besides I already outlined that it is also POE.
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On August 12 2014 06:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:14 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why wouldn't we lynch Jat? Because he posted stuff?
Everything he just posted is wrong/bad so I don't know why you're letting him off the hook. Maybe you could show us WHY what I am posting is wrong instead of making idiotic statements like this? You can make a giant post based on my votes but you didn't bother to look up why I was voting anyone? Are you being totally serious right now?
Yup. You prefer the idiotic statements I take it. I posted a theory. If you were town you could just quickly show us why you think it doesn't make sense instead of acting all stupid.
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Or are you just wasting time on purpose?
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On August 12 2014 06:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Again, neither of those things are scumtells.
I think it's scummy that you think it's okay to post misleading analysis that has no basis on content. I think it's scummy that you think that being defensive is a scumtell. I think it's scummy that you think that not having definitive scumreads going into lylo of all things is a scumtell.
Do you or do you not see the issue with what you've posted or no?
You definitely don't need to have definite scumreads but you need to try and figure the game out. Get your opinions out there. Discuss! You could just comment on the rest of what I wrote for example. You know what is not about you. But you don't.
Defensiveness IS a scumtell. It might not be true for every player but for most it is.
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On August 12 2014 06:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 06:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 06:14 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why wouldn't we lynch Jat? Because he posted stuff?
Everything he just posted is wrong/bad so I don't know why you're letting him off the hook. Maybe you could show us WHY what I am posting is wrong instead of making idiotic statements like this? You can make a giant post based on my votes but you didn't bother to look up why I was voting anyone? Are you being totally serious right now? Yup. You prefer the idiotic statements I take it. I posted a theory. If you were town you could just quickly show us why you think it doesn't make sense instead of acting all stupid. I really hope I don't get shot just so I can lynch you tomorrow. There is zero chance you're town if you think me not putting my filter on display for you, even though it's already there and you can check it yourself, is a scumtell. Zero.
You will not lynch me friend. That is the zero chance here. You don't need to repost your filter. I want short concise reasons why my theory is wrong if you are town. Or if it is good but I am wrong on you and it is someone else.
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On August 12 2014 06:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:22 Eden1892 wrote:
yo cav we are not lynching jat tomorrow
do not do this please
stay focused and lynch someone more likely to be scum. you're getting mad and starting to tunnel on him and i'm almost positive he's town so please do not If he's going to act like an idiot and say defensiveness is a scumtell then I'm going to vote him. He knows that it isn't and he refuses to base any of his analysis on content. He's deliberately ignoring my filter and the things that I've posted and is basically just characterizing everything I'm doing right now and trying to sell it as a scumtell. It's all skin-deep and I don't know why you have him as town because of it.
It is a scumtell. That's not even a debate. Stop arguing about bullshit like this and contribute something game relevant.
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I will just ignore this guy for now. It is obvious that he isn't interested in discussing the game regardless of his alignment and this pointless argument leads nowhere.
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Where is HF btw.? If he is town he really needs to get some reads out soon.
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On August 12 2014 06:40 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:01 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 05:49 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really.
With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it
As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still.
Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either. That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on. Hey, that's enough of that from you, bro. You weren't all Debbie Downer like this in Melee Mini at ALL! Sure you chilled in the back while I did the talking but you had a bunch of good ideas and really helped me refine my thought process, and never ONCE were you half as pessimistic about our odds as you are now. What happened since then? You saw how quick we pulled that win out? In the span of 12 hours we went from almost lynching a parity cop to pinning a mafia and forcing the other one to concede. CONCEDE! Now we got twice as long to find one mafia and give us some more time and you just wanna quit? Come on! Figure out how we're going to get UNANIMOUS town consensus each day, and then we'll talk. Any effort on this game is wasted until you do.
Wtf dude. Just wtf.
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On August 12 2014 06:49 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:42 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 06:40 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 06:01 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 05:49 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really.
With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it
As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still.
Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either. That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on. Hey, that's enough of that from you, bro. You weren't all Debbie Downer like this in Melee Mini at ALL! Sure you chilled in the back while I did the talking but you had a bunch of good ideas and really helped me refine my thought process, and never ONCE were you half as pessimistic about our odds as you are now. What happened since then? You saw how quick we pulled that win out? In the span of 12 hours we went from almost lynching a parity cop to pinning a mafia and forcing the other one to concede. CONCEDE! Now we got twice as long to find one mafia and give us some more time and you just wanna quit? Come on! Figure out how we're going to get UNANIMOUS town consensus each day, and then we'll talk. Any effort on this game is wasted until you do. If you're town, it starts with you doing something; I can't get a unanimous decision if I don't know wtf you want to do. Come on, where's the passion, man? You had so much fun working with me before. What changed? It's not my alignment. Is it yours? What changed is terrible deadlines, on top of terrible terrible daylength reductions, on top of not being able to meet the "spam meta" especially because of the first two. Also, this game situation is dire. I honestly, seriously, can't understand why fucking no one can be bothered to try to figure out how we keep town together for lynches at this point. Oh wait, I did. But no one cares, so forgive me for not caring when I've told you guys EXACTLY what needs to be done. Figure out how we consolidate then we can solve the game.
I don't even...
You proposed that we follow the nightkilled towny. Scum can just shoot a towny that is wrong and we hand them the game.
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On August 12 2014 06:50 goodkarma wrote:
As far as I'm concerned I'm the towniest one here. I'm literally trying to tell you your only chance of not losing this game 100%. But if you don't see it that way, lynch me first please. I want this game to be over.
It is of course true that we can only win if every towny consolidates on scum but I don't see how you help in that regard.
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On August 12 2014 06:53 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 06:49 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 06:42 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 06:40 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 06:01 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 05:49 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really.
With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it
As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still.
Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either. That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on. Hey, that's enough of that from you, bro. You weren't all Debbie Downer like this in Melee Mini at ALL! Sure you chilled in the back while I did the talking but you had a bunch of good ideas and really helped me refine my thought process, and never ONCE were you half as pessimistic about our odds as you are now. What happened since then? You saw how quick we pulled that win out? In the span of 12 hours we went from almost lynching a parity cop to pinning a mafia and forcing the other one to concede. CONCEDE! Now we got twice as long to find one mafia and give us some more time and you just wanna quit? Come on! Figure out how we're going to get UNANIMOUS town consensus each day, and then we'll talk. Any effort on this game is wasted until you do. If you're town, it starts with you doing something; I can't get a unanimous decision if I don't know wtf you want to do. Come on, where's the passion, man? You had so much fun working with me before. What changed? It's not my alignment. Is it yours? What changed is terrible deadlines, on top of terrible terrible daylength reductions, on top of not being able to meet the "spam meta" especially because of the first two. Also, this game situation is dire. I honestly, seriously, can't understand why fucking no one can be bothered to try to figure out how we keep town together for lynches at this point. Oh wait, I did. But no one cares, so forgive me for not caring when I've told you guys EXACTLY what needs to be done. Figure out how we consolidate then we can solve the game. I don't even... You proposed that we follow the nightkilled towny. Scum can just shoot a towny that is wrong and we hand them the game. Not if you last minute post... But apparently it's hard to describe things in clear enough terms for you jubjubs.Crowning a new town leader works to. You need some kind of system in place tho or we flat-out lose.
In that case it is just completely random.
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