The main scummy thing for me has been like I said your paranoia with the blue roles. Your vote coming in on RNG guy was a good time in that it made it 4-4 I believe and moving off the side wagon was good but it could have been a ploy to not be on the guy getting lynched as meat got to 4 votes first.
wat
I made it a 4-3 on DC comics, since I was ON meat at the time. Went from 4-3 on meat to 4-3 on DC. wat
are you high, we just talked about this last night lol
Also I heartily disagree about blue roles and the treatment thereof. From my experience, best not to talk about them at all unless you're hard claiming it. Difference in opinion I suppose.
The main scummy thing for me has been like I said your paranoia with the blue roles. Your vote coming in on RNG guy was a good time in that it made it 4-4 I believe and moving off the side wagon was good but it could have been a ploy to not be on the guy getting lynched as meat got to 4 votes first.
wat
I made it a 4-3 on DC comics, since I was ON meat at the time. Went from 4-3 on meat to 4-3 on DC. wat
are you high, we just talked about this last night lol
Also I heartily disagree about blue roles and the treatment thereof. From my experience, best not to talk about them at all unless you're hard claiming it. Difference in opinion I suppose.
Hmm I need to double check cause I thought it was 5-3 at the time Meat to DC (votes on Meat being Seeya, DC, Teemu, GB and yourself) Votes already on the wagon of justice Were Myself Lilwayne and theWife. You then made it 4-4 as I recall.... I'll look it up later and verify cause it does make a different in my head at least. If you made it 4-3 then GB's vote is completely unnecessary and your vote is more meaningful.
On August 01 2014 15:02 meatpudding wrote: Oh, it's ok. I don't have school until monday so I should be around for most of the day. EOD is 12 midnight for me which is convenient. As weird as it sounds I'm often asleep by then, because I had some 8am starts this week.
Let's start by you letting us know who the final mafia is. Still me? lawl.
Gw on catching him btw. You only sheeped poof's vote but I'll bang you for that. I have a feeling about my MBK... but right now I'd like to see more from GB and lilwade.
I had my vote on you EOD. Also GB basically hammered the mafia.
wat
Didn't he? Wasn't it 4-4 with meat going to get lynched, and then GB changed his vote to 666?
No, it was 4-3 on meat, then I swapped to DC, then DC voted meat.
Glowing made a last minute change in voting that didn't affect the outcome.
On August 02 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote: Its dinner time for me!
PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND REVIEW MY CASES!!! WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE? WHY? WHAT CASE NEEDS THE MOST WORK???
I don't actually think everyone is mafia but I really want to see where people stand prove that anyone could be mafia!!
We win today. For our fallen townie Batman Jenny we WILL GET THEM!
None of them.
There's not enough
in them all.
jk, I'll look after LCS and I get some other stuff done. I'll be finished with a couple filter dives of my own soon (tm), and I should be significantly more active starting tomorrow anyways.
Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc.
1) I'm starting to see posts from MP that are comforting me with my assumption he's townie.
#unvote Meatpudding
Continue this trend, plox. Additionally, what are your thoughts on Banks, and give me a detailed explanation why. Why do you think he is the most espoused town exactly?
Also, where is your push onto lilwade?
I'd be pushing on lilwade, GB and cya today.
I see your case on GB and cya, but not on lilwade, and to continue to say you're eyeing him. Can I hear your suspicions?
2) GB: This is bad, very bad as you very well note.
On August 02 2014 17:13 GlowingBear wrote: Teemu, poof asked for my top3 scum read when I have only one. It's okay if you disagree, as I see no other option right now
On August 03 2014 00:28 Seeyalater wrote: If that's so, then mind explaining to us where you are currently in the game? Lets say MP gets lynched and he's not mafia, what is your plan after that happens?
I'd definitely push lilwade because he is not contributing much. Tbh Teemu I'm so sure meatpudding is mafia that in hardly considering other options. I know it's bad but I can't explain. If he flips town, everyone will start being mafia to me
FINE LETS MAKE A HYPOTHETICAL. Meatpudding gets lynched today and flips green. Who do you think is potential scum now? LET'S REMOVE MP FROM THE EQUATION HERE.
I'll be honest, I think meatpudding is more useful town than you are atm. I think you're both (stupid) town (you mostly because I don't think mafia would be stupid enough not to closely check the votelist before claiming to have brought the hammer down on his partner) btw, but if I had to choose, I'd much rather you die than meatpudding here since meatpudding is at least considering other options and thus strikes me as more town. IF YOU'RE TOWN, CONVINCE ME.
3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly?
4) lilwade: I understand RL issues, it's what's been keeping me all week. Now then, I want to hear much more from you right now. Why do you think meatpudding is more likely to be scum, when GB has been even more unhelpful D2 than MP (who has been entertaining alternate mafia possibilities, versus MP tunnelvision)?
I also really want to hear much more from you starting now (and you should all expect the same from me).
5) Teemu: what are your thoughts on lilwade and Banks.
6) TehPoofter wants to club baby seals. confirmed canuck, canadian mole, better lynch now
I'll be on the rest of the night if you guys want to establish a rapport, but these are some major questions I want answered now.
On August 03 2014 08:00 GlowingBear wrote: I've never said I gave up. I'm always here to answer questions. I'm doing my best to show you I'm not mafia and that I think meatpudding is. But there's nothing I can do. My alignment, at least, will show you that you were wrong and make you reevaluate your reads in case I flip. I hope you re-read the game in case I die and understand what you did wrong if I die.
On August 01 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 08:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
OPERATION: SeeyaMeat!
Step 1: Lynch Seeya
Step 2: Lynch Meat
Step 3: Win game.
If that doesn't work reevaluate.
I'm going to pretend like I'm all the roles. So As medic I'm saving jenny. As Cop I'm checking between Teemu/Seeya/Meat and outting with a red check of any kind. As Vigi I'm shooting GB for trying to make roles claim when they don't need to.
I'm going to give a hard bang, marry kill soon. Enjoy!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Do you all read me as mafia??? Really???
Wtf I give up
On August 01 2014 08:40 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 08:32 Tehpoofter wrote:
On August 01 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 08:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
OPERATION: SeeyaMeat!
Step 1: Lynch Seeya
Step 2: Lynch Meat
Step 3: Win game.
If that doesn't work reevaluate.
I'm going to pretend like I'm all the roles. So As medic I'm saving jenny. As Cop I'm checking between Teemu/Seeya/Meat and outting with a red check of any kind. As Vigi I'm shooting GB for trying to make roles claim when they don't need to.
I'm going to give a hard bang, marry kill soon. Enjoy!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Do you all read me as mafia??? Really???
Wtf I give up
Are you drunk? Unless you're secretly Seeya/Meat I think you're in the clear.
Suggesting vigi killing me? How's that clear? God that's awful.
Donkey? Really? I don't even...
Nah, I give up.
::awkward::
How many times I'll have to fucking say it I was faking? How many times I'll have to fucking show you all reasons to kill meatpudding?
Whoever you guys kill, me or meatpudding, and kill after, if not LYLO, kill poof. Jesus.
So you support the "pacification" of Canadian baby seal clubbers?
On August 03 2014 10:21 Lord Tolkien wrote: Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc.
1) I'm starting to see posts from MP that are comforting me with my assumption he's townie.
#unvote Meatpudding
Continue this trend, plox. Additionally, what are your thoughts on Banks, and give me a detailed explanation why. Why do you think he is the most espoused town exactly?
Also, where is your push onto lilwade?
I'd be pushing on lilwade, GB and cya today.
I see your case on GB and cya, but not on lilwade, and to continue to say you're eyeing him. Can I hear your suspicions?
2) GB: This is bad, very bad as you very well note.
On August 02 2014 17:13 GlowingBear wrote: Teemu, poof asked for my top3 scum read when I have only one. It's okay if you disagree, as I see no other option right now
On August 03 2014 00:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 03 2014 00:28 Seeyalater wrote: If that's so, then mind explaining to us where you are currently in the game? Lets say MP gets lynched and he's not mafia, what is your plan after that happens?
I'd definitely push lilwade because he is not contributing much. Tbh Teemu I'm so sure meatpudding is mafia that in hardly considering other options. I know it's bad but I can't explain. If he flips town, everyone will start being mafia to me
FINE LETS MAKE A HYPOTHETICAL. Meatpudding gets lynched today and flips green. Who do you think is potential scum now? LET'S REMOVE MP FROM THE EQUATION HERE.
I'll be honest, I think meatpudding is more useful town than you are atm. I think you're both (stupid) town (you mostly because I don't think mafia would be stupid enough not to closely check the votelist before claiming to have brought the hammer down on his partner) btw, but if I had to choose, I'd much rather you die than meatpudding here since meatpudding is at least considering other options and thus strikes me as more town. IF YOU'RE TOWN, CONVINCE ME.
3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly?
4) lilwade: I understand RL issues, it's what's been keeping me all week. Now then, I want to hear much more from you right now. Why do you think meatpudding is more likely to be scum, when GB has been even more unhelpful D2 than MP (who has been entertaining alternate mafia possibilities, versus MP tunnelvision)?
I also really want to hear much more from you starting now (and you should all expect the same from me).
5) Teemu: what are your thoughts on lilwade and Banks.
6) TehPoofter wants to club baby seals. confirmed canuck, canadian mole, better lynch now
I'll be on the rest of the night if you guys want to establish a rapport, but these are some major questions I want answered now.
I'll give my vote and mafia case later.
That is like a slap to the face good sir!!! A gentleman doesn't take to kindly to being called Canadian!!!
On August 03 2014 10:21 Lord Tolkien wrote: Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc.
3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly?
It's mainly just a gut feeling. I feel like where he and I stand its pretty similar, in that we're kinda have no idea where to go from where we are, specially if GB and MP turn out to not be mafia.
Also i really want lilwade to post something substanttive d2 and not be totally uselessm id lynch him if it weren't for RL reasons and the lateness of a bandwagon atm.
The one person who really needs to talk more is still lilwade. What I heard out of him D2 was minimal at best.
Also GB: your refusal to look for alternate bandwagons. NOW CAN YOU LOOK for other possible scum? Like, that's the only reason I felt you were scummier than MP: he was actually willing to consider a different bandwagon than the two that formed up so early.
Am online now for Q&A.
Again, the brunt of my posting will be done right before night ends.
The mislynch of MP makes this game more difficult to solve, if it's not already obvious.
First, something I've been meaning to answer for awhile,
On August 03 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote: Tolkien, what's your updated read on lilwayne?
After carefully reviewing lilwade's filter, I'm revising my initial suspicions D1, and my suspicions D2 about him. Despite wishing he was more active (esp D2 onwards), his posts thus far have been succinct and town-oriented after I reviewed them a second time. At the time I started my grand list of questions, I was planning on pushing him as a bandwagon D3.
Indeed, I was going to present a case on him tonight before the flop as he was the only one I didn't get a town read off of by late D2, but I'm entirely frustrated by the posting patterns D2 (quite frankly, there was nothing truly alignment indicative or insightful D2, and was mostly just mindless "yeah lets just lynch meatpudding; GB stahp being stupid") and by my careful review of his filter. I severely need lilwade to post more for me D3 to allay my fears, but I'm starting to come around to see him as town.
Which fucks my current view of the damn game quite alot, because I was going to push hard for him D3. And if lilwade isn't mafia, I need to re-evaluate the people whom I considered town (Teemu/Banks) or donkey town (GB/Seeya).
I saw Banks' case and while it appears convincing, I still feel cya is donkey town in my prior reviews of his filter, and I'll review it again. If I die, DO NOT LET D3 degenerate to a single bandwagon tunnel on one person. Do not let this be a repeat of D2 and alllow bandwagons to stand for the entire day. ALWAYS LOOK FOR ALTERNATE BANDWAGONS, DO NOT BE COMPLACENT (COUGH GB COUGH).
OF PEOPLE WHO NEED TO STEP UP D3 IF YOU'RE TOWN:
Everyone not Banks
I mean that seriously. None of you (or I past D1) have been seriously pushing forward new cases D2, and I mean it. While cya probably looks the scummiest after the above case from Banks, DO NOT SHEEP HIM AND EVALUATE CYA ON HIS MERITS.
And yes, it frustrates me that I can't seem to read any mafia before D3. It's difficult to say what are harmless mistakes town makes (all the damn time) and what are truly malicious intentions.
For now, I would say lynch fucking GB and/or lilwade for not posting anything new or relevant.
Cya is a valid bandwagon as noted above, but I need to comb through his filter again carefully to determine again if he isn't just donkey town.
I am going to review GB and Teemu once more after my nap. Assuming I wake up tomorrow D3. :s
On August 05 2014 01:22 GlowingBear wrote: Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset.
Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more. So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought? ##Vote: lilwade
It's rather frustrating for me since I want to read him more solidly, but his paucity of posts D2 onwards makes it nearly impossible for me to say anything. Was trying to see if I could coax more posts out of him D2 for a more solid D3 read, but nope.
Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios: 1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie. 2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody. 3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him
What do you think?
1) Mafia rarely kills at random. There's usually some logic behind it.
However, you should NOT let night kills influence your decisions regarding who is scum, because of aforementioned wifom. It could be for any reason from Teemu starting to look town in everyone's eyes, they thought he was blue, "let's confuse town", to let's make town think XXX is town/scum.
Again, evaluate a case on it's merits, not on unknown speculation for now.
I continue to disagree about where the vote for mafia was D1 (hence why I was looking at lilwade as probably scum D2), but I'm kinda reluctantly going to have to agree that cya is the "best" case right now, though I really do not want us to have just one bandwagon.
On August 05 2014 01:22 GlowingBear wrote: Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset.
Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more. So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought? ##Vote: lilwade
It's rather frustrating for me since I want to read him more solidly, but his paucity of posts D2 onwards makes it nearly impossible for me to say anything. Was trying to see if I could coax more posts out of him D2 for a more solid D3 read, but nope.
Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios: 1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie. 2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody. 3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him
What do you think?
1) Mafia rarely kills at random. There's usually some logic behind it.
However, you should NOT let night kills influence your decisions regarding who is scum, because of aforementioned wifom. It could be for any reason from Teemu starting to look town in everyone's eyes, they thought he was blue, "let's confuse town", to let's make town think XXX is town/scum.
Again, evaluate a case on it's merits, not on unknown speculation for now.
I continue to disagree about where the vote for mafia was D1 (hence why I was looking at lilwade as probably scum D2), but I'm kinda reluctantly going to have to agree that cya is the "best" case right now, though I really do not want us to have just one bandwagon.
Sure. But you think that considering those scenarios is WIFOMing? I'm not asking if I should let it influence my reads, I'm asking if you don't believe that mafia could've used that logic.
Fair enough.
1) plausible 2) plausible 3) plausible
The issue is it doesn't help us actually make any major reads so...
OK NOW, THIS is interesting and probably puts us on the path to winning. Unless cya is godfather and we're all screwed because of this; I wouldn't put it past Haru.
Right, so this actually explains why I felt so very uncomfortable with lilwade's posts and reading him in general. GIVEN THE TIMING, he's pretty much confirmed town. The only reason mafia would make such a cop claim is that it's either LYLO, or they're about to get lynched. I highly doubt we're at LYLO since that requires 3-6 town split, which means 2 mislynches=gg for town, and that's abit too little room for error in a newbie game I would think. And he'd have to be worried about a counterclaim.
I'm going to reach here and say there's 4 town 1 mafia left. What does this mean? lilwade is almost certainly not scum if that's the game setup. If he was TOWN fake-claiming cop then we may have just lost the game, but he's not an idiot from the way his posts have read, which indicates he's town. If he were mafia, the fact he doesn't die tonight after a mislynch would basically mean he's mafia and thus seal the game for town. WAYYYY too big a risk for mafia to take would think. And Mafia would basically never let him live into LYLO, because at this stage, he would basically have a 66% chance of checking a LYLO member and thus basically win it for town, vs 33% chance he checks someone who dies, and thus gets a shitton of suspicion on him. 2:1 odds...that's pretty long.
So yeah, he's most likely what he says he is, and in any event, we'll know after night if we lynch incorrectly if he was just really desperate mafia (doesn't seem like it).
Unless there was a godfather in the game, that's the "wrench", but a town read on cya is invaluable to solving the game..
So the question for me is: Poofter or GB. Hmm...after I wake up from a quick nap.
If we have any other blues (unlikely), claim now I think. I'll say it now, I'm VT.
2- Lynch either me or wade to clear the remaining person, and basically ride or die with the alive person's(and the dead's in their last post before lynch), and lynch their top scum tomorrow, since no matter who we lynch(although if this is the plan we choose to go for I'm the easier lynch), the other person between wade and me will not last into the next day.
wat
just...wat
You know just because you two are town, there's no guarantee you're reads are worth anything, right?
You'd basically squander all our chances at LYLO if we're wrong today, because it basically means 3 people unconfirmed town. COME ON
The question is whether or not cya is godfather or not, but quite honestly him being VT matches my fucking read of him at donkey town as is.
For now, @ GB:
da fuck are you doing with not believing the damn claim. I just explained why mafia WONT claim today. If claim is true, mafia is literally betting at 2-1 odds whether or not they win LYLO if they try HYPER wiformshit and try to keep cop alive for LYLO. If false, they'll get lynched at LYLO.
If you're vanilla town, fuck you, don't claim. If we get another blue claim, then the probability of the last mafia being godfather skyrockets and puts the usefulness of lilwade's checks & claim into doubt.
AKA, we need everyone to claim NOW to determine just how viable the green check on seeya is for LYLO.
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