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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 18:51 GMT
#457
again why am i scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:05 GMT
#460
On July 31 2014 03:57 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
again why am i scum?


You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things.

incorrect

Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment.

incorrect

Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum.

incorrect

Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset.

meh.. words that mean nothing.

Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:06 GMT
#462
Vivax regarding your point (1) you have no idea why i have called you scum or HF town so why are you saying i have no reason to do so? I just told HF i can explain every read of mine.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:07 GMT
#464
On July 31 2014 04:06 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2014 03:57 Vivax wrote:
On July 31 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
again why am i scum?


You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things.

incorrect

Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment.

incorrect

Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum.

incorrect

Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset.

meh.. words that mean nothing.

Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^


This is not how to refute a case since anyone can yell incorrect, but not everyone can prove his point with what has happened in the thread. So start hoping that everyone shares this view of yours.

well can you. how can you say i have no reason to call you mafia or call holyflare town?
or do you know why i read you as mafia and him as town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:12 GMT
#469
On July 31 2014 04:10 justanothertownie wrote:
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On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^

Wasn't Titanic the game where Vivax did jackshit as scum? Totally different from this game...

It was also the game where he called someone mafia and then gave reasons that happened after he called them mafia.
like on me here. the only reason that could be even semi-legit he can't reason is which happened before he called me mafia.
other reasons are just bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:13 GMT
#471
EBWOP: which he apparently can't reason now..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:14 GMT
#473
On July 31 2014 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 04:06 Vivax wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2014 03:57 Vivax wrote:
On July 31 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
again why am i scum?


You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things.

incorrect

Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment.

incorrect

Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum.

incorrect

Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset.

meh.. words that mean nothing.

Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^


This is not how to refute a case since anyone can yell incorrect, but not everyone can prove his point with what has happened in the thread. So start hoping that everyone shares this view of yours.

well can you. how can you say i have no reason to call you mafia or call holyflare town?
or do you know why i read you as mafia and him as town?

last post before sauna. Vivax this is your only non-retarded reason to call me scum.
Why do i read you scum and Holyflare town? You need to answer this because you apparently know why.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:24 GMT
#475
goodkarma is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:31 GMT
#482
On July 31 2014 04:29 Palmar wrote:
Rayn not knowing I'm confirmed town is kinda scummy and Vivian is so pretty.

can you answer me about your read on vivax?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:34 GMT
#486
Vivax why are you just trying to make ppl mad?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:35 GMT
#488
On July 31 2014 04:34 Palmar wrote:
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On July 31 2014 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:29 Palmar wrote:
Rayn not knowing I'm confirmed town is kinda scummy and Vivian is so pretty.

can you answer me about your read on vivax?

Nah buddy. Cba. Let's lynch marv.

cba does not work in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:38 GMT
#491
On July 31 2014 04:37 Vivax wrote:
I'm not the guy who has to calm down, I'm enjoying myself. I post arguments for why HF is scum and he goes ad hominem, so I dunk him for it. I will just keep posting reasons, and he will keep squealing, nice try though.

you really don't...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:39 GMT
#493
On July 31 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
But seriously, goodkarma, high chance of mafia.

He berates sinani for making a non-post, and suggests bombing ritoky / Damdred / lurkers, when he is guilty of those things himself.

ritoky, you want a good bomb? goodkarma is a good bomb.

even more his reads on bats/damdred are lazy and bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:50 GMT
#500
On July 31 2014 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax:
Why do i read you scum and Holyflare town? You need to answer this because you apparently know why.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:53 GMT
#507
On July 31 2014 04:50 goodkarma wrote:
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On July 31 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
But seriously, goodkarma, high chance of mafia.

He berates sinani for making a non-post, and suggests bombing ritoky / Damdred / lurkers, when he is guilty of those things himself.

ritoky, you want a good bomb? goodkarma is a good bomb.

even more his reads on bats/damdred are lazy and bad.


Look at any of my prior games and you should know my day 1 usually involves removing people that are most likely to be D1 liabilities. You should also know that I don't spam like crazy in games. Every post I make has a purpose, or I don't post it. I don't talk about jagers or any other random crap. I only post when I feel it'll be helpful. On top of that I don't have a scum read on any of the active players right now. So heaven forbid, that leaves who I've listed as the most likely scum candidates.

Sinani specifically has been brought up. If he behaves this way all game, he's a huge liability and a good bomb target. But from what he's posted it looks like he'll only behave like this day one, and this is why I excluded him.

Okay gk. you made reads that are easy. at the same time you failed to contribute onto anything else in the thread.
then you made a post that wishy-washy people are likely to be scum (and that post of yours was really wishy-washy in itself).

so what have you actually said? and do you really think "removing liabilities" is the way to win a game of mafia as town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:54 GMT
#509
like, how have you helped?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:55 GMT
#511
EBWOP: last post to GK.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:56 GMT
#513
On July 31 2014 04:55 Vivax wrote:
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On July 31 2014 04:50 slOosh wrote:
Like as an objective mafia player (someone who plays mafia), I'm gonna say that if you are indeed town and HolyFlare is indeed scum, the way that you are going about it to try to get HolyFlare lynched is ineffective and has great potential to backfire, especially in this kind of setup. I don't know how strong your tunnel is, or how strong your tunnel tendencies are, but you really need to reevaluate how you are choosing to interact with people this game.

Because figuring out who mafia is is 50% of the game. Convincing everyone else is the other 50%, and right now I'm finding that you are severely lacking in the latter department.


Dude, whenever I posted something that proved he was scum, he popped up and started complaining and generally tried to get things on a more emotional than rational level.

The proof is on the last pages.
HF:"Vivax pls stop scumreading me"

Me:"This post shows why HF is scum, cause bsbsbs"

HF: "You're either scum or a fucking moron"

All in between rayn trying to stir the fire by siding with HF, and you.

Words don't lie. So you lie by telling me to calm down and pushing tinfoil theories. I use standard arguments, he uses insults and imperatives. Period.

this cannot be a reason why i am mafia.
if this is your final answer you are scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 19:57 GMT
#514
sloosh ask vivax why he thinks i read him scum and hf town plz.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2014 20:00 GMT
#517
On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:
That unlurk timing. Heh.

On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.

I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me.

I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver.

I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included.

It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play.

I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically.

The logic proceeds thus:

Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy.
I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal".
Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy?
The former setup of this game included a traitor.
Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior.

That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read.

you're kinda contradicting yourself here man.
i think you should drop the traitor thingy.
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