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Since we're in the mood for list posts here's mine:
Scummy: HF, Rayn.
Could be scum but not confident yet: SlOosh, Jat.
Could be scum but how can I tell cause he's not playing: Yamato, sinani. MM1, fuba, goodkarma
Batpoop insane, don't know how to read that: Batsnacks
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Also I ask explicitly to not be protected even if you correctly read me as supertown. Protect Palmar who seems to have rolled town and to give enough fucks to be useful early, and is almost always amusingly an early NK.
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What a load of nonsense. I've dropped this like 5 pages ago and you still continue to talk about it palmar was suspicious because he called me mafia and then told me to stop spamming which was a contradiction. His read post pretty quickly changed that. I never scum read obi i just wanted him to elaborate on everything he's seeing because he has a habit of not saying what he means.
Why does it feel like we're playing in different games? You even just agreed with what i said and our discussion has led to people being town read. Hardly bad in any sense.
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How can you think sloosh is scummy vivax??
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On July 30 2014 22:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 22:36 Vivax wrote:
If I were to make an early call on Damdred I'd say that he looks like he always did and thus probably town , with a style that makes him somehow suspicious for TL standards for some reason. Not confident enough in giving a definite read but I wouldn't call him scummy.
Not so sure about Jat cause he sees scummy things where I wouldn't expect them, Obi first, now Damdred and I'd like to hear more of his reasoning since his conclusions seem so much different from mine.
Could be indicative of him not knowing what to do while trying to stay active as scum since he stopped talking about setup stuff, so he kind of looks for scum in places where townies already put a checkmark in a box, I happened to do that as scum and then ended up harvesting wtfs for scumreading people everyone else is townreading.
I'm just putting this out there cause I don't feel confident in scumreading jat just for this, I think it is noteworthy and am curious about the responses.
Next topic, since SlOosh wondered for what reasons I scumread HF:
HF is a very aggressive scum player and I was amazed at how many cases he was able to crank out in GSL I think, where he carried us to victory while smurfing. I was like "Wow how do you manage to make up so much bullshit about people". "Just gotta find the scum motives in plays".
Key to reading him is following: If he only posts stuff that only takes account of scum motives, and tries to paint things in the worst light possible, and doesn't try to clear townies on the way, he's likely scum. Forget activity, forget insecurity, these are not criteria for reading him.
So the reason I called him scum was precisely cause he didn't just try to figure me out, he called me mafia and said that my post must have been scum motivated, way too early in the day, later he backtracked saying that for him the point was all about me picking the SlOosh post, and suddenly he was fine.
This doesn't make sense cause even then, all the points about me sidetracking, and the post looking scum tryhard, should still stand for him regardless of me picking SlOosh's post.
So HF can definitely be one of the scum we're looking for. But currently I'm not willing to talk to him cause I don't want this thread to become unreadable. Please tell me in detail how you are able to put a checkmark in the damdred = town box. I am listening. I already said why I don't like his posts. He doesn't seem to be saying anything of value - posting for the sake of posting. Looks like a new scum player that doesn't know what to do and how to insert himself in the thread. If that is what he does as town then we will have to wait what he does next but I don't see how you anyone could townread him for the posts he made so far. I really don't. I stand by my Obi observation btw. although he seems pretty towny lately. I am not able to put that checkmark confidently, but I'm not able to scumread him either cause I don't feel the posts he made are just there to make him look like he's talking. He posted stuff he seems to care about, and even though it can be summarized as 1. setup opinion, 2. opinion on me and HF, 3. opinion on Obi and 4. telling batsnacks to calm down, I have the feeling that those are simply the topics he's caring and interested about and not just some scum trying to look like he's active. That said I'd tentatively lean town on Damdred.
He wasn't even able to explain his "set up opinion" and ignored me regarding it - can you? His opinion on you and HF is like the easiest thing to give and has been given by other people before - the same goes for Obi it seems. Telling batsnacks to calm down is also obvious and not alignment indicative.
I could understand a nullread on him if this fits his meta but I can't accept a townread. Why can't he do this as scum?
Besides rayn complaining and answering a "dumb list" with a dumb list without any other contribution he is easily the scummiest player that really has posted so far in my opinion.
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well rayn says my reads are terrible, and I'm confirmed town, so I'll just really be afk now.
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On July 30 2014 23:10 Holyflare wrote:
What a load of nonsense. I've dropped this like 5 pages ago and you still continue to talk about it palmar was suspicious because he called me mafia and then told me to stop spamming which was a contradiction. His read post pretty quickly changed that. I never scum read obi i just wanted him to elaborate on everything he's seeing because he has a habit of not saying what he means.
Why does it feel like we're playing in different games? You even just agreed with what i said and our discussion has led to people being town read. Hardly bad in any sense.
HF just cause I agree with you that these people didn't do anything to deserve a townread and thus have to be faced with the threat of being blown up with ritoky, doesn't mean I should let off of you if I find you scummy.
On July 30 2014 23:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:54 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2014 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 22:36 Vivax wrote:
If I were to make an early call on Damdred I'd say that he looks like he always did and thus probably town , with a style that makes him somehow suspicious for TL standards for some reason. Not confident enough in giving a definite read but I wouldn't call him scummy.
Not so sure about Jat cause he sees scummy things where I wouldn't expect them, Obi first, now Damdred and I'd like to hear more of his reasoning since his conclusions seem so much different from mine.
Could be indicative of him not knowing what to do while trying to stay active as scum since he stopped talking about setup stuff, so he kind of looks for scum in places where townies already put a checkmark in a box, I happened to do that as scum and then ended up harvesting wtfs for scumreading people everyone else is townreading.
I'm just putting this out there cause I don't feel confident in scumreading jat just for this, I think it is noteworthy and am curious about the responses.
Next topic, since SlOosh wondered for what reasons I scumread HF:
HF is a very aggressive scum player and I was amazed at how many cases he was able to crank out in GSL I think, where he carried us to victory while smurfing. I was like "Wow how do you manage to make up so much bullshit about people". "Just gotta find the scum motives in plays".
Key to reading him is following: If he only posts stuff that only takes account of scum motives, and tries to paint things in the worst light possible, and doesn't try to clear townies on the way, he's likely scum. Forget activity, forget insecurity, these are not criteria for reading him.
So the reason I called him scum was precisely cause he didn't just try to figure me out, he called me mafia and said that my post must have been scum motivated, way too early in the day, later he backtracked saying that for him the point was all about me picking the SlOosh post, and suddenly he was fine.
This doesn't make sense cause even then, all the points about me sidetracking, and the post looking scum tryhard, should still stand for him regardless of me picking SlOosh's post.
So HF can definitely be one of the scum we're looking for. But currently I'm not willing to talk to him cause I don't want this thread to become unreadable. Please tell me in detail how you are able to put a checkmark in the damdred = town box. I am listening. I already said why I don't like his posts. He doesn't seem to be saying anything of value - posting for the sake of posting. Looks like a new scum player that doesn't know what to do and how to insert himself in the thread. If that is what he does as town then we will have to wait what he does next but I don't see how you anyone could townread him for the posts he made so far. I really don't. I stand by my Obi observation btw. although he seems pretty towny lately. I am not able to put that checkmark confidently, but I'm not able to scumread him either cause I don't feel the posts he made are just there to make him look like he's talking. He posted stuff he seems to care about, and even though it can be summarized as 1. setup opinion, 2. opinion on me and HF, 3. opinion on Obi and 4. telling batsnacks to calm down, I have the feeling that those are simply the topics he's caring and interested about and not just some scum trying to look like he's active. That said I'd tentatively lean town on Damdred. He wasn't even able to explain his "set up opinion" and ignored me regarding it - can you? His opinion on you and HF is like the easiest thing to give and has been given by other people before - the same goes for Obi it seems. Telling batsnacks to calm down is also obvious and not alignment indicative. I could understand a nullread on him if this fits his meta but I can't accept a townread. Why can't he do this as scum? Besides rayn complaining and answering a "dumb list" with a dumb list without any other contribution he is easily the scummiest player that really has posted so far in my opinion.
I don't know Damdred's scum meta, he never rolled it, but I can tell that this game he doesn't look different from the others, and as said, it's somehow of a gut read based on the topics he chooses and how he talks about them. Don't really think I can persuade you further than this with more objective arguments, but if you find anything scummy besides "tries to post a lot in a scummy way", which is just as subjective, feel free to tell me about it. For now we will have to agree to disagree.
@ HF
Why I find SlOosh scummy? Part of it is in the initial post you found scummy and I explained it, I didn't like that entrance, excessively trolly in an atmosphere I tried to make more serious and constructive.
Another part is in one of my posts I asked SlOosh to comment on, where SlOosh misrepresents my play in a negative light.
And the slightly paranoid feeling that you came in to chainsaw defend SlOosh when I called out his post, and are buddies in silence, given that you seemed to cover each other and both ended up kinda leaving me on the backfire when the heat got up. This is the most subjective point and I don't expect many to understand it since they don't have the perspective I do of the whole exchange.
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Another part is in one of my posts I asked SlOosh to comment on
EBWOP:
Another part is in one of my posts I asked Kush to comment on
Still waiting for that btw.
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On July 30 2014 23:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:16 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 22:54 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2014 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 22:36 Vivax wrote:
If I were to make an early call on Damdred I'd say that he looks like he always did and thus probably town , with a style that makes him somehow suspicious for TL standards for some reason. Not confident enough in giving a definite read but I wouldn't call him scummy.
Not so sure about Jat cause he sees scummy things where I wouldn't expect them, Obi first, now Damdred and I'd like to hear more of his reasoning since his conclusions seem so much different from mine.
Could be indicative of him not knowing what to do while trying to stay active as scum since he stopped talking about setup stuff, so he kind of looks for scum in places where townies already put a checkmark in a box, I happened to do that as scum and then ended up harvesting wtfs for scumreading people everyone else is townreading.
I'm just putting this out there cause I don't feel confident in scumreading jat just for this, I think it is noteworthy and am curious about the responses.
Next topic, since SlOosh wondered for what reasons I scumread HF:
HF is a very aggressive scum player and I was amazed at how many cases he was able to crank out in GSL I think, where he carried us to victory while smurfing. I was like "Wow how do you manage to make up so much bullshit about people". "Just gotta find the scum motives in plays".
Key to reading him is following: If he only posts stuff that only takes account of scum motives, and tries to paint things in the worst light possible, and doesn't try to clear townies on the way, he's likely scum. Forget activity, forget insecurity, these are not criteria for reading him.
So the reason I called him scum was precisely cause he didn't just try to figure me out, he called me mafia and said that my post must have been scum motivated, way too early in the day, later he backtracked saying that for him the point was all about me picking the SlOosh post, and suddenly he was fine.
This doesn't make sense cause even then, all the points about me sidetracking, and the post looking scum tryhard, should still stand for him regardless of me picking SlOosh's post.
So HF can definitely be one of the scum we're looking for. But currently I'm not willing to talk to him cause I don't want this thread to become unreadable. Please tell me in detail how you are able to put a checkmark in the damdred = town box. I am listening. I already said why I don't like his posts. He doesn't seem to be saying anything of value - posting for the sake of posting. Looks like a new scum player that doesn't know what to do and how to insert himself in the thread. If that is what he does as town then we will have to wait what he does next but I don't see how you anyone could townread him for the posts he made so far. I really don't. I stand by my Obi observation btw. although he seems pretty towny lately. I am not able to put that checkmark confidently, but I'm not able to scumread him either cause I don't feel the posts he made are just there to make him look like he's talking. He posted stuff he seems to care about, and even though it can be summarized as 1. setup opinion, 2. opinion on me and HF, 3. opinion on Obi and 4. telling batsnacks to calm down, I have the feeling that those are simply the topics he's caring and interested about and not just some scum trying to look like he's active. That said I'd tentatively lean town on Damdred. He wasn't even able to explain his "set up opinion" and ignored me regarding it - can you? His opinion on you and HF is like the easiest thing to give and has been given by other people before - the same goes for Obi it seems. Telling batsnacks to calm down is also obvious and not alignment indicative. I could understand a nullread on him if this fits his meta but I can't accept a townread. Why can't he do this as scum? Besides rayn complaining and answering a "dumb list" with a dumb list without any other contribution he is easily the scummiest player that really has posted so far in my opinion. I don't know Damdred's scum meta, he never rolled it, but I can tell that this game he doesn't look different from the others, and as said, it's somehow of a gut read based on the topics he chooses and how he talks about them. Don't really think I can persuade you further than this with more objective arguments, but if you find anything scummy besides "tries to post a lot in a scummy way", which is just as subjective, feel free to tell me about it. For now we will have to agree to disagree.
I am not saying he is trying to post a lot. I am saying he has a hard time with posting anything at all which is more often than not a scum trait. You can't convince me "further" with objective arguments. Ok, I did not see any objective argument by you on this matter tbh. and I think this defense and to scumread me for attacking him is absolutely unwarranted.
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So many general statements with no backed up quotes or reasoning. "misrepresentation" "its just subjective! "all terrible general buzz words. I don't know what's going on vivax but it's not cool.
I wouldn't even care if you pointed out specifically where your scum reads did something scummy and asked them to explain it but you're stuck in one track mind and are guilty of what you were accusing me of. Chainsaw defending I've never seen as scummy in anything ever and everyone always uses it. It's useless.
There's no sense of hmm maybe I'm wrong how do i correct that. What should be my plan to change that going forward? I have this read on hf that I'll use (well done for saying it out to the thread that isn't odd in the slightest) I'll see how it pans out. You're just stuck following posts in regards to sloosh/me that make no sense and you're saying very strange things.
"this guy is questioning obvious town oh no so scum!". It's slightly strange that you seem so definitive on people when you really shouldn't be (very strange)
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Damdred is most likely not mafia.
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On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia.
Oh, that is good to know. Why?
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On July 30 2014 23:25 Palmar wrote:
well rayn says my reads are terrible, and I'm confirmed town, so I'll just really be afk now.
no you need to answer why vivax' posts are interesting.
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On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why?
Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum.
nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too.
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I also second "kill yamato" sentiment so far.
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Vivax just called 10 people "possibly scum". 
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still don't really have time to play until tomorrow
unfortunate for you folks
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On July 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why? Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum. nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too.
In other words he is null. Fine whatever, I will reserve further judgement until he posts some more.
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On July 31 2014 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why? Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum. nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too. In other words he is null. Fine whatever, I will reserve further judgement until he posts some more.
No i really do think he is town. At least he has given some reads which i would not expect him to do as mafia regardless of Holyflare's & Vivax' alignments. That's not how i think new mafia would talk about the situation.
Do you think there is any way why Palmar as town calls Vivax town?
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On July 31 2014 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why? Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum. nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too. In other words he is null. Fine whatever, I will reserve further judgement until he posts some more. No i really do think he is town. At least he has given some reads which i would not expect him to do as mafia regardless of Holyflare's & Vivax' alignments. That's not how i think new mafia would talk about the situation. Do you think there is any way why Palmar as town calls Vivax town?
He should answer that question himself. It is not like he explained his reads in great detail so I don't really know.
But he said he liked how Vivax was "fluidly" participating and he seemed to agree with his opinion on the set up discussion (even directed me to a post of Vivax).
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