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Chopin Étude Op. 10, No. 7 (Toccata) I love chopin , I wasn't entirely familiar with him until a friend bought me a game (Eternal Sonata) where I was introduced to some of his music since then I have devoured his works almost hypnotizing to me | ||
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On July 23 2014 01:58 Chopin Liszt wrote: ##Vote: Chopin Liszt I am also willing to be an asshole. to bad he didn't post in his normal way here </3 I guess can't let a martyr live anyway lol | ||
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However it was his only post that wasn't in his normal way of talking which would of been more epic since chopin was mad at times. | ||
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On July 23 2014 02:30 kushm4sta wrote: seems kind of contradictory doesn't it damdred? u didn't have reasons behind your vote on chopin so why would obi have reasons for his vote on you? True enough, I asked for his reasons Chopin didn't ask for our reasons which at this point is just a plynch. But Obi does have a history of random voting the first day well when i've played with him. | ||
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On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? Its all well and good to have gut feelings and we all should act on them. However he does seem to vote for my lynch before i have returned his not strong read led to a vote? | ||
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On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote: ##Vote raynpelikoneet Sigh Enters thread with an odd opening no sign of real communication. On July 23 2014 05:55 Xatalos wrote: I can see what you're getting at with that comment. Both of these posts are kind of apathetic. In any case, it's not much to work with. I'm town anyways and GB could be just playing around a bit. Follows it up by defending himself and glowing, she might be town but he definitely is cool. On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote: Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. But if someone looks and feels scummy and plays great scum in your mind why would you want to keep them around? Isn't it better if you honest think they are scum to take them out fast and not risk them swaying people against you? Bit weird talking about yourself their as well, I know you think yourself an asset but why even include the thing about the scum their? On July 23 2014 06:41 Xatalos wrote: As a sidenote, I'm extremely careful not to connect myself with my teammates as scum. You can see me bussing / semi-bussing / distancing my teammates in pretty much every game. I would never fake a friendly conversation with my teammate as scum, at least right away. This feels weird to trying to paint yourself as town by saying that you play scum one way and town another....whos to say that you don't change it up from time to time to make yourself look town? Overall I get a really odd vibe from Xatalos posts, and as others have posted he has singled out a couple of low fruit even though it hurts my pride. I'd like him to answer some before I change votes. On July 23 2014 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote: ^scum Also why Haru has seemed to be scum hunting in his posts so far. | ||
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On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote: wtf do you expect a few hours into the game? Kush do you think his vote on me is justified at that point in the game and how he was talking and playing? | ||
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On July 23 2014 12:47 kushm4sta wrote: fuck no voting thread.. now i can't ninja vote ##vote harurh Kush whatcha doing this for? You seem to be playing a bit more defensive this game and ignored some questions. so why vote harurh now? | ||
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On July 23 2014 13:28 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote haruH What in the actual world are you doing? | ||
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On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all. Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group. Ok my post is useless, atleast respond to it and say that and answer some questions that I posed instead of totally ignoring it since you got back. And I really haven't had a chance to follow it up so far today thats why i'm posting now | ||
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On July 24 2014 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who did Xatalos say were his scumreads at the time of listpost? Myself and vayne I believe then he voted me before i came back then he dissapeared | ||
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Also your post is not to good its never good to lynch into someone you aren't sure of, its not pro town to lynch a townie | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:15 Teemursu wrote: Ok, to clarify. I think Obi is mafia I think VA is mafia. Will you explain a bit why you feel both are mafia at this point? Or maybe just Obi since VA really hasn't done much at this point | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:22 Teemursu wrote: Why are you pushing this and what are you trying to get out of this? What you just said was mechanics fluff that is obvious to everyone. Why don't you instead divert your focus to the actual content that I've posted? Whats so wrong with me asking questions about why you think someone is mafia or your leaning on someone? And then you get defensive about it? I will look into your content when I get to a computer, but I would like an answer or at least a glimpse into your thoughts | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:30 Teemursu wrote: I was addressing the second half of your post. Ok then address the first half and the followup question of why you think that they are mafia at this point | ||
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No good points have been brought up and if the only points is that I did make a post to look like I try hard yea....just a mislynch waiting to happen and I don't want the town to lose and I can help the town win i'm a freaking townie and i'm not going to give up fighting for myself this time. let me tell you this I wanted to follow up with Xatalos but he freaking ignored me after I posted. I posted and I believe ray had to say hey Damdreds post was useless but you didn't even say anything about it. and his response was On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all. Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group. and then I responded with On July 24 2014 00:57 Damdred wrote: Ok my post is useless, atleast respond to it and say that and answer some questions that I posed instead of totally ignoring it since you got back. And I really haven't had a chance to follow it up so far today thats why i'm posting now And you know what as far as I can tell Xa still ignored me up until On July 24 2014 18:26 Xatalos wrote: I think most of the people on my wagon look pretty good. The most scummy vote is definitely batsnacks, since it was just an opportunistic bandwagon vote. If I had to bet on someone being scum on the wagon, it would be batsnacks (in big part thanks to that pretty apathetic&opportunistic vote). He's also not really paying attention to what he's reading since he pretty much started the issue of me "scumreading" VA >.> If you look a bit further than the actual wagon, you can see that Damdred has neatly set himself up for voting me without actually voting me yet. Maybe it's a bit hypocritical, considering my weak commitments so far, but this is the ultimate non-committing push on me (while still giving him the opportunity to vote for me later on): So those two are definitely the scummiest votes (or almost-votes) on me. OH hey you finally see me when i've dissapeared for almost a whole day, so seriously? You ignore my questions and everything I post besides when ray points out my post was bad then you are like hey this is bad and then you ignore it even further before you post a little case on me? Seriously? I am the easiest target for him right now to try to get some of these lynch votes off of him, i'm really sheepable if i'm to be frank with low activity and a "try hard" post. But Xat play this game has been odd he has town hunted with Viv had to be told to move his vote off of viv I believe that was a weird scenario. And generally he has said a lot in the thread without actually saying much and honestly his reads have looked just as try hard as my post did at this point. ##unvote ##Vote Xatalos | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:15 Teemursu wrote: Damdred, if you're here. I want to hear what you got out of the questions that you asked me. I addressed everything you wanted me to address and then just started lurking. Yea once I actually read your filter I understood why you were on Obi and even without reading your filter I could see why you were on VA. Especially Obis random I don't cares and just showing up in the thread when hes mentioned it makes sense for more of a read towards mafia. I did play a couple games with him since I got here though, and his game so far has followed what he did as town rather than how he played as mafia not saying that he couldn't change though. Also whats up with asking bear his read on you then telling him to filter dive you? Just felt a little odd there... And no i'm not dipping out of the thread right now | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:47 Koshi wrote: Damdred, 1 question: To me from that post you made it feels like you were keeping up with the thread but not posting. Is this feeling true? That feeling is false, the last time I visited the thread was when I told teem that I would look into his filter when I got to a computer. I spent the good chunk of my morning was spent catching up on the thread. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:46 Xatalos wrote: Damdred, I did answer that kush thing earlier I think. And the other question was just a non-question. Then why ignore the mass posts earlier in the thread against you? And why only bring them up when you are poked and prodded? Honestly its dumb, if you think they are such shit posts then you should of totally decimated the posts and deconstructed them and at least replied to it. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:51 Koshi wrote: Ok sexy. Please tell me more about this Vivax/Xatalos interaction please. I am very interested. The interaction is generally strange he had Xat down as mafia earlier and Xat had viv down as mafia earlier (but he changed his mind quickly when prodded and based his read on other games where viv activity was lower when he was mafia), and i'm not sure if Viv is actively sheeping a case made against me or was just trying to get me to delurk so he voted me. I'd like him to answer that, because the case against me is much weaker then I would normally expect him to follow for being a vet. | ||
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That is incorrect, I am asking him a legit question now. His post about is this how he sounds shouting about vivax makes me wonder if hes changed his mind. I just want to know | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:25 Vivax wrote: Dude, he called me scum, Chopin scum, all the vets in between and now he's forcing Xata to roleclaim. He never even explained why I'm scum. Then why not let me have a conversation with him instead of just yelling not reading thread lynch him! Let me gather some form of my own opinion during an odd situation seriously. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:28 Vivax wrote: Cause we had an entire day and for some reason you left too much stuff open for me to trust you. And now that you come back your only scumread is Xatalos, who happens to be your wagon of salvation, and ask Koshi something that should be obvious given he has been spamming his scumreads without reasons like a mantra. Then don't trust me but i'm stinking town, I made a post about my top scum read and the situation got crazy since i've been back so i'm trying to gather from Koshi any information I can in the here and now if GB is right or wrong. Who cares, he was under a different situation than he was before right? Sometimes people answer different in different situations and the GB post somewhat changed what was going on in the thread. Just lynch the person who wanted to ask questions right? | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:34 Xatalos wrote: I think it's the opposite. Quick and hectic situations are the best for figuring out who the scum are. But if not enough people are left in the thread to change votes or convince whats the point of waiting till the last minute? I dont' want to mislynch today | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:34 Vivax wrote: Your question is answered I guess. What are the consequences you draw from it and intended to draw? Use every opportunity especially hectic ones to draw out peoples alignments right? Wouldn't it of made sense in that case for Koshi to hop on the GB for posting something that threw the thread into hectic state? Also your reaction was strange instead of commenting on Koshi and their reaction straight away you went straight to me and told everyone to lynch me and I wasn't reading the thread before seeing where I was going... | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:43 Vivax wrote: Why would it make sense for Koshi to hop on GB? He was busy getting Xata to roleclaim, explain please. ___ Ok let's get some common sense back in the thread and not this monkey panic fest Koshi and Teemu started. Kush, you aren't caught up if I had to guess, but I want you to look at my Damdred case and give me your opinion on it, and give an opinion on his comeback. Plus, evaluate if we should switch to Obi like chopin proposed atfer looking at Damdred. GB main lynch target today was Xata, he built several good posts around him, Xata responded to some of them a bit oddly which looks like made him stick to him. Suddenly out of no where GB comes up with vote Koshi for trying to get Xata to claim, it isn't to far fetched that Koshi could of changed his list and put GB on it for that post it was worth a question at least. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I wasn't gonna vote for you. As far as i got i would have voted for GlowingBear, damdred or Navillus. I'm curious about the GB part...got town from what I've seen | ||
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On July 25 2014 03:54 Vivax wrote: You sticking around for a bit? I'll be reassessing your filter so it would be nice if you could chat a little. I'm eating showering for work but ill be pretty constantly checking for q couple hours then ill be more sporadic | ||
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To the reads on you and xata reads on each other yours changing doesn't mean as much since its a gradual change but xatas sudden change was weird and him saying you weren't scum but still voteing you felt odd indeed. That point in the thread was hectic and well i thought GB move off xata after so many posts about #1 scumread was weird but not exactly scummy. I was more wondering if that post affected koshi why i wanted to ask questions instead i got into it with you a small bit. | ||
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i should of stayed on him... However deadline getting pushed made me lose my head a bit. Koshi is obviously tunneling you at this point and to be frank i don't dee you as scum at this point from how your playing now and how you've played as scum before. I could honestly see teem being scum honestly. Sometimes he gets defensive over questions refuses to give simple answers and when he does give answers they sometimes miss the point. His bits about town doing badly was odd at the moment as its been mentioned before town was doing what he wanted. He shouldn't be so sure of koshis alignment. at some points . had to switch to phone so ill be sloqer at this point | ||
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On July 25 2014 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why should you have stayed on Xatalos? I just said some of the reasons and talking to vi | ||
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On July 25 2014 10:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Fair enough, I guess. So who else is on our suspect list? I've got a whole lot of townreads and not a whole lot of scumreads right now. Obi who do you thinks scummy right now? | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:38 GlowingBear wrote: Hey wait. Did Haru claimed something??? Someone said that in a post. He's a prepared passanger in one of his posts | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:36 Xatalos wrote: Probably two of Damdred/ObiWan/batsnacks/VA. The Vigi should claim too to make this a bit easier (unless he has multiple shots). Are you just going with popular sentiments here? Why not post a new case on someone with updated reads with activity from them on posts since your last case eh? Honestly I could see ray leaving his vote on you, you getting lynched and well him gaining town cred since he helped lynch you if you flipped red. But I don't know he trashes you a lot in his posts... | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:36 Xatalos wrote: Probably two of Damdred/ObiWan/batsnacks/VA. The Vigi should claim too to make this a bit easier (unless he has multiple shots). Tell me why each of these is scum to you then Xatalos i'm not saying scum can't be in them but let me see your thoughts | ||
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On July 26 2014 02:12 Xatalos wrote: Damdred (I realize it's you but eh, just putting it out there): - Wishy-washy suspicions on me to see if it would catch any support, then voting me later on when I had already gathered votes - Going along with the flow of the thread by then voting Navillus - All in all: pretty unimpactful and inactive in the game - a position that scum often assume Tbh I guess you could still be town, but since there are so many other likely townies, the probability of you being scum goes up. ObiWan: - It was a struggle to get enough votes on him whereas I / Navillus easily gathered enough votes - Didn't really care about the result of the lynch and voted apparently without reasoning - Nothing really comes to mind when I try to think of something he's done and that's never a good sign batsnacks: - His votes have been just scummy sheeping without real input - Tried to distance himself from the approaching Navillus lynch weakly and without any actual effort/reasoning - Apparently forgot that he was supposed to be unhappy with lynching Navillus right away and said that there was no reason to be unhappy about it..? VA: dunno about him really, I just included him there since I can't exactly think of him as townish either and Koshi I think mentioned that he plays a bit similarly as scum Ok now out of those listed who would you pick and push honestly? | ||
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On July 26 2014 02:25 Xatalos wrote: Btw Damdred you've almost only talked about me. Don't you have any other (scum)reads? Your right I have tunneled you at this point so i'm going to disengage but will answer any questions you pose to me I might take another look at you when I am not so tunneled but can't atm | ||
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On July 26 2014 04:57 GlowingBear wrote: Nope, I'm pressuring him just like he pressured Xatalos day1. Funny how it felt weird now but not then. Situation is a little different to me, Xat wasn't really fighting his lynch and was being pretty passive at that point causing votes to be dragged on him. What your doing now is kind of odd, saying your pressuring a claim that nobody is going to CC it seems.... Where are you going with this GB | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:38 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Navillus THIS IS RIDICULOUS I don't know if you covered this GB, but ifyou were so sure about koshi fishing for blues and being scum why did you suddenly jump on the navillus wagon? | ||
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On July 26 2014 22:44 Xatalos wrote: It would be better if the lynch was between players like VA/Damdred though. Trying to direct people to lynchbait eh? How about put a real case together on instead of just bringing me up every few posts because of idk why. Just finished catching up i agree VA move doesn't make complete sense why would mafia. claim and lose another kp before night 2 affectively losing the game.... | ||
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On July 26 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote: Damdred is mostly because of process of elimination and also a couple of slightly suspicious points (the wishy-washy suspicion on me, leading to a vote when I had already gathered several votes, the post marv mentioned where he said I'm "bad town or scum" which is a somewhat typical method of scum describing their "scumread", and overall just not really doing much of anything besides weakly pushing me and staying out of attention). If weakly pushing you is almostevery post? Then yea its been weak indeed. And i think your push on me is idiotic ..... and your reasons are bad and honestly mostly weak and nonreasons | ||
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On July 27 2014 04:14 Xatalos wrote: Dunno what Vivax has been doing all D2, but otherwise his play has been completely different from the scum Vivax I know. In storm 2 he played a game that wasn't unlike what hes playing now, sorta a little different. I don't think hes scum really just weird for him to lurk like this so maybe scum | ||
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On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote: I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities. I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him. As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum. This post has convinced me of a few things ##unvote ##Vote Chopin Liszt | ||
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Yea my phone cut me of while I was trying to write more I guess, but I really dislike Xat and his gentle prodding towards another target even though he doesn't provide one. I really hate how most of Xatalos posts are like this gently prodding towards a much weaker target at that point in the thread (granted its me or VA at that point in the thread). Chopin pushed off ofXatalos earlier in the game so he wasn't lynched now Xat is pushing off of him, its really possible hes just repaying the favor i'm just convinced one is scum at the moment. If not both. However i'm convincing myself to unvote Chopin now....I am going to filter dive him where he says and look elsewhere I want to see what I can find before i put my vote back on him.. ##Unvote i am honestly having a hard time right now trying to figure this out going to go read more, I still really read Xatalos as scummy though | ||
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On July 27 2014 07:08 Xatalos wrote: Also you might note that my activity drops significantly as scum after D1. Its really hard for me not to vote for you right now Xatalos. All your posts that say why you can't be scum and talk of your townyness just makes me feel every time you are more scum. Ok Xatalos, I really need you to work with me here if you are town, I trust Koshi and hes reading you as town even though I think you are scum. You have soft pushed people your filter doesn't have any hard reads or evidence and only a couple of soft cases. Mostly against me, help me out here Xatalos. Who do you really want to lynch today and why? If its me you pick thats fine | ||
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On July 27 2014 22:44 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax How do you read Xatalos, Vivax? We need a vote count What put you on vivax all a sudden? He trolled obi but i still see hI'm as town | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:22 GlowingBear wrote: Funny that I looked your filter and you made the same question to me knowing that it was out of pressure too. at that point i wasn't ecactly onto a hard scum read like you had on koshi honestly. Xats moves were so random that i dwas hesitant | ||
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i don't think xat is getting lynched in the next 40 minutes why push him instead of the other cases or do you think both re bad? | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote: hmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................................. I always read CR town. meh. I give up this game. gg Stop that koshi. we gotta figure the last out | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:22 Vivax wrote: Hi, I'm the cop and checked Damdred, my good townie buddy last night. Vivax probably would of pushed me if he wasn't a cop glad he was i played pretty bad again | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:29 Xatalos wrote: Don't worry I tunneled you too all the way to the end  I decided you were town when i pressed you for reads and you responded about how difficult it was for you. i felt the way you were playing if you were scum you would of soft pushed or nonreason pushed someone. | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:31 Vivax wrote: Almost checked Chopin N1. Went Damdred-> Chopin -> Damdred :/ Mostly cause it didn't sit right with me how marv jumped in to defend Koshi at the end of the night. Happy end I guess. Trust your panda bro more next time | ||
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Day one was pretty insane, from Viv and Koshi dirtying the thread, to what I still deem a decent push on Xatalos was a good mislynch candidate at that point. GB random chaos posting pushing on Koshi and the early end it was a really chaotic and bad town day one. Day two was better only because Koshi stopped riding viv so hard I think and we got off xatalos so much. | ||
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