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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 17:42 GMT
#708
On July 24 2014 02:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 02:28 Vivax wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:19 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 17:01 Palmar wrote:
On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote:
Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable.

On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote.

Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush?

This could be mafia post tbh.


On July 23 2014 17:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why is that a mafia post?


This was before he explicated the reasons. Do you find yourself only agreeing with the case after he did so or is there something of your own you wanna say about navi.


Does this post have a purpose or no?

Because it doesn't seem like it does.


The purpose is to know when and why you started considering voting navi since you asked Palmar what was scummy about that, and now I want to know if it's that very same post that makes you consider lynching him.


Yeah.


Then tell me what you think of Koshi skipping over it to townread navi for reasons that to me seem quite iffy, too generic in the first long, and hyperbole in the second short post regarding that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 17:49 GMT
#714
On July 24 2014 02:43 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 24 2014 02:37 Vivax wrote:
I found GB's big post pretty townie cause he tries really hard to get a point across he seems to find tough to bring across, and in the process of reading it you kinda get that aha-feeling for all he found scummy about Xata, and can understand it and realize that it's probably what he really thinks

This is directed at you, Xata.


I just found it weird how he could be so confident based on such weak reasoning.


You will have a different perspective than me given that the big post is an attack on you, so it will be hard to get you to realize what I mean in order to get you to agree or disagree with my read, I'm naturally more suspicious of people who I feel attack me without proper justification.

Now, if you pretend for a moment that the big post wasn't an attack on you but somebody else, and read the reasons he gave for it, will you still come to the conclusion that it's a post from scum?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 17:52 GMT
#716
Hey Obi.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 17:59 GMT
#719
Rayn can you go a bit into detail about the "wtf Koshi, wtf are you doing" and why you don't want to scumread him, if I'm not mistaken.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:03 GMT
#723

It also seems that you and Vivax are distancing from each other; which I find suspicious but I'll have to take a better look later.


Take a look at it now, I want to estirpate the notion that I'm scum whenever it arises in people I think are town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:05 GMT
#724
On July 24 2014 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 24 2014 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rayn can you go a bit into detail about the "wtf Koshi, wtf are you doing" and why you don't want to scumread him, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know what to read him. I agree with him to some extent on you, other stuff he has posted is just.... mehhhhhhhhhhh.......


With this???

On July 23 2014 21:01 Koshi wrote:
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On July 23 2014 20:55 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying that what you say isn't correct. He talks about post formatting and Xatalos, and replies to a guy asking him about someone else in the first posts you quoted as being townie and giving his thoughts freely.

tl;dr: The reasons you use for reading him seem fake, and what you said in the last post I quoted is a gross exaggeration of what he's supposedly doing.

When he was doing that. You were doing completely nothing.

what he was doing > what you were doing.

lynching him < lynching you


It's math.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:06 GMT
#726
And mind you, he voted me after this:

On July 23 2014 20:39 Vivax wrote:
It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference.


Now tell me if what I say is right or wrong.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:07 GMT
#729
On July 24 2014 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i didn't read that post. it wasn' really interesting. i don't know what's it about and i doubt it's important as noone has pushed anything based on that post.


If you only focus on what's popular at the moment you won't get far.
Too mainstream rayn, too mainstream.
Now go listen to madonna.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:11 GMT
#731
On July 24 2014 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax that's not why i think Koshi voted for you. If i am wrong please correct me.


I correct you. Go with my blessing, amen.
What of Koshi now?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:19 GMT
#734
On July 24 2014 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:11 Vivax wrote:
On July 24 2014 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax that's not why i think Koshi voted for you. If i am wrong please correct me.


I correct you. Go with my blessing, amen.
What of Koshi now?

what do you mean? i just said idk...
do you even know why Koshi voted for you?


Isn't it already an issue that you can't be sure why after we had that long fight in the thread?
I made my reasons clear enough while Koshi was busy writing stuff like:

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 23 2014 21:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 21:05 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:01 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:55 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying that what you say isn't correct. He talks about post formatting and Xatalos, and replies to a guy asking him about someone else in the first posts you quoted as being townie and giving his thoughts freely.

tl;dr: The reasons you use for reading him seem fake, and what you said in the last post I quoted is a gross exaggeration of what he's supposedly doing.

When he was doing that. You were doing completely nothing.

what he was doing > what you were doing.

lynching him < lynching you


It's math.


Scum agenda equals simulating town agenda while opting for mislynches.

It's logic.

I like how you think that Koshi is harddefending his scumpartner here. Which you are implying in the last 2 posts you made.

And when I say like. I mean hahahaha, You scum.


On July 23 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Yes, as scum I really like going hard against Vivax/Palmar to gain cred by Navillus.

Good thinking.


On July 23 2014 21:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 21:27 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:22 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:20 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Yes, as scum I really like going hard against Vivax/Palmar to gain cred by Navillus.

Good thinking.


When did you decide to scumread me?

When I voted you.


And the reason is that I'm not doing anything while navi is doing something?
In that case, why not vote me earlier?

Is this conversation really happening?

*yawn*

Wake me up when you got something interesting to say Vivax.


On July 23 2014 21:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 21:46 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:44 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Koshi runs away with the tail between his legs.

This proves that you didn't need the answer to that question.

Which isn't a surprise because it was a completely stupid question.


It's not, I'm making inquiries about your scumread on me. You dropped that vote when I posted something about you, then said it was cause I didn't do anything while navi was doing something. I derped around when I sheeped Palmar's case, if derping around is the reason for your scumread on me, then it should have happened at that point.

Why would I be following your every move every fucking second of this game?

I was ignoring your useless ass but then you said something really stupid and I voted you. That's why it was then and not earlier. I would like to believe Town Vivax would understand that. As if you would ever scumread me for ignoring your useless ass, but now that I am voting you, you are trying to paint me scummy for ignoring your useless ass early.

So yeah.

you scum.


On July 23 2014 21:54 Koshi wrote:
I am not the one being red here.


On July 23 2014 22:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin

Don't lynch: Everyone else.

Ok. Not moving my vote ever.


On July 23 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:06 Koshi wrote:
When I say later on. I meant before he made that post Palmar based his case on.

And those questions were not made to be ignored.

I don't see it. The two posts you quoted and used to defended him based on him "not trying to hide anything" is because there's almost nothing to hide.

Like, literally. His reads on CL and Damdred were just fluffy null there wasn't anything about him trying to figure out people's alignment. Xata was okay, but everyone already discussed it and the reasons. For some reason, repeating what everyone else has said about a post that happened almost six hours ago doesn't give me enough town cred for me to read that person as town. Especially when the post Palmar made a case about was in my opinion bad as well.

You then go on to quoting post-Palmar's case stuff, that 1) aren't relevant 2) I can somewhat agree and helps me read Palmar. "I'm still leaving my options open about him, though".

I want to hear from Koshi what he specifically liked about Navillus's posts pre-Palmar's case besides just saying "he's not hiding anything", which isn't enough considering how null Navillus's posts were.

I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet).

Navillus typed words when nobody was typing words.
I give him a townread.

The end.


On July 23 2014 23:07 Koshi wrote:
itt: Vivax confirming me town when lynched.


On July 23 2014 23:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:17 Vivax wrote:
I mean, if he thinks I'm not being blunt and only applies it to how I handle Koshi purely based on the wording of my post, but not to the way I handled navi, then something is not right. I feel like I was blunt enough in regard to what I think of navi, yet he only prefers to focus on the last half.

I like how I gave "shitty" townreads on multiple people already. But you seem to only focus on the Navillus one.

I mean it is annoying that I am ruining an easy misslynch here. But you should have been less obvious about it Vivax.



And in all this time he was able to bring his point across as to why I'm scum all we're left is with 1/10 reasons and 9/10 taunts.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:21 GMT
#736
On July 24 2014 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what you say is not right or wrong, it's just not scummy by any means.


Why did you feel the need to get so worked up over his posts then.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:26 GMT
#739
My post about the same stuff that I think got you worked up:

It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference.


Now:
what you say is not right or wrong, it's just not scummy by any means.


I'm just curious as to why you go all "wtf" on his posts, when I show you what I disliked about Koshi you're like "meh, not scummy".

Calm your horses.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:31 GMT
#744
On July 24 2014 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes i didn't like your post and i liked Koshi's response -> which was to vote for you, as i have clearly said.
What's so hard to understand?


That I fail to understand how you don't like my point I made en passant about Koshi posting his convoluted reasons for navi being town without having a scumread he would be able to support with that.

Like, he talked about all that stuff before, the only thing I saw close to a scumread was his vote on CR, then came mechanics talk, mass claim talk, he skips over the palmar case until I ask him about it, claims that navi is town, and in all this, where exactly was he scumhunting until the point where he dropped the vote on me more out of omgus than anything else?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:41 GMT
#753
On July 24 2014 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:31 Vivax wrote:
...he skips over the palmar case until I ask him about it, claims that navi is town...

vivax can you show me how exactly this happened, because i don't see it this way.
gimme your perspective plz.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=19#361

Palmar's case. Read Koshi until I post this:

On July 23 2014 19:59 Koshi wrote:
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On July 23 2014 19:54 Vivax wrote:
Koshi do you dislike Palmar's case.

I like Kush his case better. Palmar's case made me look at Navillus but I saw only town.


And between those he posted a list of "not-lynch" with navillus not in it.
He must have been terribly disinterested into what palmar had to say until I asked him about it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:43 GMT
#755
On July 24 2014 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 24 2014 03:38 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote obiwanshinobi


I still need an explanation as to why you're scumreading/voting me.

and i need an explanation why you seem to pop in only just when someone calls you mafia lately?


I second this, I got the feeling like he's F5ing thread without doing anything behind it, which is why I said "hey Obi" to see if he unlurks.

I was kinda placated by his last medium sized post but I definitely want to see this guy sweat. Don't have the feeling like he's trying to achieve something in the meantime.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:46 GMT
#757
On July 24 2014 03:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hey guys.

I'm just going to start calling all of you mafia randomly. That way, when you actually respond to the non-accusations, I will actually have reasons for doing so because you'll be responding to them.

#logic


You can also genuinely try to find mafia.

What is this defeatism.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 18:51 GMT
#762
On July 24 2014 03:49 Koshi wrote:
Vivax is using tinfoil theories to push me. Interesting.

I am pretty sure I read Palmar his case.


Indeed, I didn't see navillus among the bad lynches list. Confirmation bias deleted the name -.-
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 19:00 GMT
#766
On July 24 2014 03:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 24 2014 03:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 24 2014 03:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hey guys.

I'm just going to start calling all of you mafia randomly. That way, when you actually respond to the non-accusations, I will actually have reasons for doing so because you'll be responding to them.

#logic


Thread is 40 pages long. If you have not even a slight scumread you're not reading the topic / you don't want to draw attention


I have three: kush/Navi/someone between Vivax and Koshi.

Read my filter plx.


what happened to haru tho


Ah right he had to be scum cause he policy voted along palmar and Damdred.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 19:01 GMT
#767
Obi, you aren't scum again right?
It would be a pity to get lynched as scum D1 three times in a row I would probably jump off a bridge.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21952 Posts
July 23 2014 19:03 GMT
#768
On July 24 2014 03:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:49 Koshi wrote:
Vivax is using tinfoil theories to push me. Interesting.

I am pretty sure I read Palmar his case.


Indeed, I didn't see navillus among the bad lynches list. Confirmation bias deleted the name -.-


But the fact still stands you weren't scumhunting up until the point you saw something threatening for you.
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