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Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 25 2014 09:41 GMT
#2001
On July 25 2014 17:34 Vivax wrote:
For me it's not just all about getting lynched who's pissing me off at one particular moment, it's about lynching scum, hence whyI gave you the chance to prove your push was genuine, so I could reconsider if it was a good idea lynching you.

Wanted to see if you were a tunneled townie with real reasons and real intent or just a scummer shitflinging.

Needless to say what feeling I get from this page.


Your "chance to prove my push" was you telling me "l2p" and let go from my scum read on you, as well as telling me "how to make a case" against you, while in reality I have given a bunch of accusations against you that you haven't addressed yet.

No wait, apparently I've been "nitpicking" all this time.

To me this feels like you as mafia are trying to justify reading me as scummy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 09:58 GMT
#2002
I already have expressed why I think you're mafia. You thought Koshi is "70%" mafia and you didn't make a single strong case on him before or in the post you said that. You started thinking I'm suddenly mafia for reading Koshi as town, and yet you can't build a good case on me. Instead, all you do is harp on me for reading him as town and point out posts where I've said that I don't have a strong opinion on either one of you yet.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=72#1422

If you think the way Koshi pushed on you wasn't townie, why didn't you push on me earlier for that? I did express at some point earlier in the day that I thought both of you were kinda town during your fight. Why didn't you question me for that?


Here you actually mostly agreed with the list Koshi was in.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=27#536

I talked to multiple people trying to make them consider Koshi as a lynch and you somehow imply I should find anyone scummy just for not agreeing with me, which is stupid, really stupid and not an argument for anyone being scum.

You're trying to give me fault cause I didn't you scumread you for not immediately agreeing with me on Koshi.


Instead, you tried to pocket me by saying "I was giving you light" and you for some reason wanted my opinion about Chopin accusing you for not speaking bluntly and actually calling people mafia, which is what I've been accusing you of right now.


Yep, I said that chopin was accusing me of not being blunt in regards to Koshi, and I pointed towards me being blunt about navi, cause it was an instance where I was blunt enough. I was in a Koshi liszt crossfire at the time and you didn't really take a hard side so I was kinda thankful towards you.

Anything else?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 25 2014 09:58 GMT
#2003
If vivax is mafia this game I'm goingto be so mad. I was mafia last titanic and had to suffer through him playing like shit and getting lynched dau 1
Computer says mafia
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:00 GMT
#2004
So, if I didn't make a single strong case against Koshi and that is one of your argument for me being scum, then where did Koshi make a strong case on me and why aren't you reading him as scum CAUSE HE DIDN'T????
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:00 GMT
#2005
On July 25 2014 18:58 Palmar wrote:
If vivax is mafia this game I'm goingto be so mad. I was mafia last titanic and had to suffer through him playing like shit and getting lynched dau 1


Do you think I'm playing like shit?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:04 GMT
#2006
I suppose you mean the opposite, but I don't know what that has to do with my alignment.
If I'm mafia I'm playing awesome, if I'm town I'm playing awesome.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:06 GMT
#2007
Honestly I wanna solve this game this very night, so when scum shoots me and I can leave a lot of good content for the generations to come.

I'm probably a good janitor target though so Koshi and Teemu won't look as shitty.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:06 GMT
#2008
Maybe one of them will even claim that he vigged me.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 25 2014 10:09 GMT
#2009
I'm reading and i still don't see any real accusation for vivax being mafia despite you saying that people should be convinced.
Bach to the basics.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:12 GMT
#2010
Man this Teemu guy is slow.
Not a real man for a debate.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 25 2014 10:13 GMT
#2011
The pages I've missed have been horrible to read. A bunch of you are making this game quite unpleasant. Please stop.

My dear friends, there is evil among us,
But even knowing this, even thus
Outside this game, we are friends one and all
A mutual respect for this pursuit, let us not fall
into this animosity, this anger, this fuss


On July 25 2014 11:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As you can see, I got home about 10 hours later. Now I don't know if rayn is being hyperbolic, but I think a twenty-minute adjustment is much easier than having to suspend the game for at least 9 hours (and possibly extend night another 24), and possibly more if there were any other problems at the end.

No. 20 minutes early is 100x worse than 10 hours late. Or just PM some random dude alignments on TL to put up nightpost.
On July 25 2014 08:05 Koshi wrote:
And how is nobody taking any responsibility or even analyzing this incredible shitty Navillus lynch?

There wasn't a case on Navillus except the one from Palmar that I fucking destroyed. Like how the fuck can Navillus get lynched out of fucking nowhere? I am traveling home and suddenly Navillus gets marv, Xatalos and Vivax on him. With fucking Kush & VA already on him. And then the fucking hosts decides that is the perfect time to give a 10 minute warning the game is over and 3 more retards vote Navillus without thinking twice. Like... There hasn't been a single case on Navillus since the one from Palmar that I destroyed but w.e let's lynch this guy. Even though he made a couple big posts since then that looked extremely town. Yeah wait, I already said he was 100% town. No need to repeat this shit for the shitters.

But the funny part is. I AM THE ONE GETTING THE MOST FLAK FROM SHITTERS LIKE VIVAX BECAUSE NAVILLUS FLIPPED TOWN. BECAUSE I DEFENDED NAVILLUS AND WAS RIGHT.


HOW THE LIVING FUCK?? HOW????


DID I MISS ALL THE FUCKING CASES ON NAVILLUS OR SOMETHING?


WHERE ARE THEY?

Nav got lynched because he was a last minute alternative to wagons that were worse. That's all.
On July 25 2014 16:16 Teemursu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 10:29 Chairman Ray wrote:
I don't understand why we lynched Navillus instead of Xatalos. Chopin, can you explain to me why you thought Xatalos was town all of a sudden?

CR, did Chopin answer this?

I was quite explicit why I said Xatalos was town. This is one of those inevitable cases where a bunch of people go "Oh Chopin, you handsome fellow, your logic is terrible, you're not supposed to be this bad! Sup?" and in the end I turn out to be right about it, as always. Maybe Vayne remembers Order mafia.

My main/only regret from the lynch is that i didn't convince people to switch to Obi rather than Navillus.

Chopin
Bach to the basics.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 25 2014 10:16 GMT
#2012
On July 25 2014 16:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 16:16 Teemursu wrote:
On July 25 2014 10:29 Chairman Ray wrote:
I don't understand why we lynched Navillus instead of Xatalos. Chopin, can you explain to me why you thought Xatalos was town all of a sudden?

CR, did Chopin answer this?


Not yet


He did explain this... You still haven't elaborated on your scumread of me/Koshi? Could you explain it now?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 25 2014 10:19 GMT
#2013
On July 25 2014 01:54 Teemursu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also for the record i have my 30th birthday this Sunday sodon't expect me to be quite active during tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday. If it's a problem you might just aswell vig me because i will get mad at people who call me mafia "for lurking". I'll read & post whenever i can but this game is not going to be my priority at that time.

That being said Teemu / Xatalos. Are you guys (living?) in Helsinki during weekend? Let's meetup, i'll bring the champagne.


I live in Espoo, so basically yeah. Sounds cool!


I might have time tomorrow? Possibly. I live in Espoo/Helsinki, currently Espoo.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:21 GMT
#2014
Teemu ran away when I was trying to bring the argument to an objective level, since he just complained I didn't.

Did I do anything wrong?
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 25 2014 10:23 GMT
#2015
On July 25 2014 19:21 Vivax wrote:
Teemu ran away when I was trying to bring the argument to an objective level, since he just complained I didn't.

Did I do anything wrong?


Your only crime was caring too much.
Bach to the basics.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 25 2014 10:24 GMT
#2016
I think Haru's claim thingy is probably town motivated. At least I can imagine myself in his position doing something like that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:26 GMT
#2017
On July 25 2014 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I think Haru's claim thingy is probably town motivated. At least I can imagine myself in his position doing something like that.


Don't know what his motivation is but if you're vet you should rather act like you have another role instead of putting a big "don't shoot me" on your chest.

If he is vet it was awful play.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 25 2014 10:28 GMT
#2018
We'll see. In any case it's a WIFOM bomb to confuse the scumQT. I've never seen stuff like that done by scum, I think.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 25 2014 10:32 GMT
#2019
ObiWan seems kind of frank by saying that he has no scumreads though. I'd think scum would at least put in a little effort by naming some suspects? Isn't that just kind of like begging for attention to yourself?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
July 25 2014 10:34 GMT
#2020
That would be true if he was a guy who scum has to fear, which I don't think is the case.

Prime targets for tonight are me, chopin, Palmar. Assuming they are all town which I currently do. On the other hand scum also has to assume they are likely medic targets, or jk, or whatever we got. So if one of us gets shot they really wanted us out of the way, and badly, take that into account the next day.

To get back onto more useful topics: Xata I have to admit that rereading the start of D1 you do seem scummy. Just so many weird things, starting with you deciding to not lynch Koshi for something he said in pre-game, then posting a list when prompted. Kinda tryhard but not really, same arguments I used on Damdred.

I'm just musing right now and it's night but I'll assume it's my last just to be safe, do you see the reasons for why that looks bad?
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