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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2014 18:57 GMT
#806
^ I was referring to the vote thread. I think ppl are forgetting it. Many confusings.

rayn just needs to post more, then I can decide without vacillating
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2014 19:14 GMT
#811
na he voted me ages ago.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2014 19:20 GMT
#813
Plam. By "ages ago" i mean before rayn made that comment.

but yeah, vote thread/this thread voting isn't consistent
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2014 09:54 GMT
#1068
I'm at my best friend's wedding today, so I'm leaving things in mderg's capable hands. He's probably going to make the final decision, not sure if/when I'll be able to check my phone.

Few things I noted, mebbe they're useful or will be, maybe not. With slam/sqrt, check how easy the wagon is, I don't see any pushback for the lynch. I don't really get this weird martyring behaviour from a team of 2, you'd expect at least one of them to prop up the other. I don't know what that means. They're both unstable? Or it's a ploy? ?? I'm not used to Slam insulting the thread like this. That doesn't make me feel good. I'm tentatively ok with this lynch but with reservations I guess.

Stratiform doesn't look quite so bad. Not sure about Palmar. Not gonna be around to judge him on today's play so meh.

Poofter didn't bother playing. Many scumpoints. I've felt ok about bunnies, but Poofter dragging her down. Probably not lynch but I don't trust.

Right now I like Haru/Glowing for mafia most.
On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:

So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.

Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.


On July 12 2014 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
But I didn't said that... geez...
I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious.

My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method.

Throws in random names (Robik, ExO, Eden) and a couple of times states that he scumhunts through passivity and friendly behaviour. These 3 names don't make much (any?) sense in this context. Robik the most abrasive of them all, Eden has been active, ExO's argued his corner firmly enough. His description of what he's looking for -> these 3 names doesn't seem natural to me. He brings up Robik as suspicious again in a later post but again never explains why, again it is the opposite of what he's looking for in mafia.
sqrt/Slam may have been passive to some extent maybe? They've been quite prickly too. There seems to be a whole bunch of other targets that conform to his self-professed view.

Basically I find the 3 names he throws in, together with his self-styled description of scumhunting, together with how he introduced sqrt/slam as scummy after that, very suspicious indeed. My best bet for mafia right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2014 10:30 GMT
#1077
On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying


Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in

I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy

As far as I can tell, you're just throwing together justifications for suspecting them.

Yes, to be honest I would expect mderg rather than Robik. Or chairman ray. Or stratiform. or sinani.

All these names fit his bill much more than Robik does.

you've already explained HIS robik read more than HE has even tried to. Maybe you can see the problem with that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2014 11:01 GMT
#1082
On July 12 2014 19:31 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 19:25 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:
On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying


Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in

I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy

this didn't actually happen, you gave an explanation of how robik might have been shady to someone with no meta experience and then just handwaved the rest/didn't explain it


What the fuck

I explained that exo doesn't post jackshit as town on d1

He literally posts close to nothing

That giant read post of his is inherently scummy due to ^

Glowingbear have not posted his long wall of read yet, be patient.

Exo is scummy because he's producing more content than usual under the watch of his senior?

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 10:41 GMT
#1417
On July 13 2014 00:24 goodkarma wrote:
I'd like to address a few thoughts expressed in the thread briefly:

1) "Slam tries to be unreadable so idk.": Don't know much about Slam's meta, but honestly when have you had someone spam thread like Slam has and not been mafia. Also you have the other half, which also has played scummy.

2) "Not sure about Cabernet being mafia because no counter-bus.": Assuming Cabernet is mafia (which is super-likely), you only have one other scum team. So it's very possible said other team isn't active about it. It's very possible said team is bussing. But it's also possible they've tried and there's no traction. Possible since not everyone is on Cabernet atm... This is a very WIFOM arguement tbh.

3) "Cabernet has good chance of being mafia, but I dislike person XYZ more.": Cabernet is set to be lynched today, and for good reason. I've seen pretty much no one say they feel good about Cabernet, like they are giving townie vibes. You should lynch them because even if you have a shadow of a doubt, they have literally said they've given up. How do you expect to get a better read at them should they stay alive til LYLO?

To those of you who haven't consolidated on Cabernet yet:

Vote Team Cabernet. Show them your grapes of wrath.

ugh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 10:41 GMT
#1418
also if poof hasn't posted between where i am now (p56) and here, we should kill them
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 10:55 GMT
#1419
Maybe I drop haru/glowing for now, not sure. I agree with what eden said that it was too ridiculous to be scum when haru said his "i don't want to lynch given up scum, i want to lynch actual scum". kinda unbelievable.

also haru berating mderg made me rage, which leans somewhat town on haru as well.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 10:58 GMT
#1420
On July 13 2014 05:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
Robik you're typically not terrible bunnies told me about how slam/sqrt basically both conceded so hard not to vote them.(Even though everything I've heard about slam is that he loves playing scum and I find it hard to imagine him just straight up conceding a game as scum I haven't read in the thread where he did yet.) I'm more curious what you think about the Palmar/Marv/Rayn folks in the game (really excited rayn is back tbh) I read the part where you basically auto confirmed rayn off one post. Still like that read? The interactions that were had between like pages 24-29 (this is the way back machine as I read slow) between Marv/Palmar especially were weird. I feel like one if not both is mafia. I need to read the rest of the thread obviously but I'm curious about your reads on them. (If you've already given them just link the posts for faster viewing if you would be so kind)


I hope Poof has explained this between this post and the end of the thread, or it sure does look awfully shit-flingy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 11:04 GMT
#1421
On July 13 2014 06:59 TheSlenderMan wrote:
bunnies, where did you 'explain why slamroot is Town'? As for the CR/Koshi-case, no way I see a meta-case being stronger than slamroot's antics at this point. :D

Haru please (also) explain the questions I raised in my posts -- you can find them from my filter quite easily.

ok this is the money question, i was curious when someone was going to bring it up.

bunnies came into the thread proclaiming that sqrt/slam were town, but with zero reasoning to back it up, before going on to other ppl. v interesting. Says more than once that it's a mislynch with zero reasoning why actually.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 11:07 GMT
#1422
no wait she did.

arg.

hmm.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 11:14 GMT
#1423
On July 13 2014 07:34 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2014 07:27 OnceKing wrote:
palmar please describe more in depth what you're saying about marvderg, and read nb's posts about chairman koshi/offer input on that

right now i have a few town reads i'm pretty confident in, slamroot i'm pretty sure is scum and only a few more holes to fill


The marv/derg thing is basically a massive meta-thing with marv. As I explained I haven't read mderg.

Basically, I townread marv by waiting for him to do something that is really smart. I think he even alluded to it this game, we basically confirm each other as town when he finds something that looks like mafia, and I confirm his suspicion and sheep his case. He hasn't done anything really smart this game or anything that makes me want to lynch him. That doesn't mean he is mafia. I know he is genuinely away today, so he has a perfectly valid excuse. Also his approach to interrogating me felt really fair, as in, he did not want me to look like mafia, he felt like he was simply trying to figure out if I was.

I'll go find those posts by nb, and I also have to read the inactive teams (from what I have read). koshi/chairman, and rayn/slender.

Might not do it this session though, no rush really.

The bolded in particular makes me feel quite a bit better about Plam in general. Mafia (even clever dudes like Plam) really struggle to think like this / look at things like this.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 11:24 GMT
#1424
On July 13 2014 15:04 GlowingBear wrote:
3am here but I'm not feeling sleepy. Someone to talk please?

marv, please, bring your thoughts on my main posts

honestly I can't really be bothered, because it's boring. I think anything you wrote could have been written by mafia, but Haru being weird on several occasions has made me leery of lynching you.

Take it or leave it my friend ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 11:30 GMT
#1425
all caught up. kinda weird game. GK and sinani are being totally carried by their better halves.

Palmar (as per above) and Stratiform look ok to me (stratiform's reads post kinda had everywhere about where i'd expect, didn't seem fabricate-y).

Robik/Exo look ok I guess.

rayn/slendy, koshi/cr, bunnies/poof.
rayn/slendy look worse to me simply by virtue of the fact i'm going off haru/glowingbear, and if we take that out of their filter they've done next to nothing.
koshi especially will have all day 2 to look town, if he's town he'll be able to do it, if he's mafia he probably won't. sit and see.
bunnies is being dragged way down by poofter, who has little redeeming about his play. hate the lazy palmar/me comment that i pointed out. the points OK made about bunnies on the last page are pretty valid as well.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 16:43 GMT
#1442
you probably didn't read the wall of text so well if you said we should be above those other guys, koshi, as what he wrote about us pretty heavily implies that we were ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 17:27 GMT
#1445
you're easily pleased.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 17:56 GMT
#1461
On July 14 2014 02:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2014 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
On July 13 2014 15:04 GlowingBear wrote:
3am here but I'm not feeling sleepy. Someone to talk please?

marv, please, bring your thoughts on my main posts

honestly I can't really be bothered, because it's boring. I think anything you wrote could have been written by mafia, but Haru being weird on several occasions has made me leery of lynching you.

Take it or leave it my friend ^^


"Glowingbear threw random names"
*a huge post justifying my suspicions*
"Lol tl;dr too boring to read."


look, it's very very easy, hours and hours later, to write sensible things on almost any player. Any townie or any mafioso could do that. it's the way you went about it. you can't change that, i can't change that. If you told me you weren't capable of coming up with that large post as mafia I wouldn't believe you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 17:59 GMT
#1467
in heavyweight champs, btw, you said Palmar was mafia, everyone ignored you, I made an epic case and everyone sheeped me.

Your memory is a little off
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2014 18:00 GMT
#1468
On July 14 2014 02:59 Eden1892 wrote:
if you're "not trying so damn hard" and "let[ting] [your] partner lead" then wtf is this "ok we're lynching who i want to lynch now" shit

you're gonna have to explain to me why, in any way, this is a mafia trait and not a townie one.

Because I'll tell you for free - it's more likely to come from a townie.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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