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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2014 16:09 GMT
#1440
On July 13 2014 10:42 Stratiform wrote:
Okay here's how I feel about the respective groups, as not much else is going on right now:

Town:

Exo/Robik- I liked ExO's list post, but he hasn't been here much from then on. Although, Exo isn't really known to be super active D1. Robik is giving reads, and going with his gut. However incorrect his read on me is, I feel like that post is coming form town. He looks like he's targeting me because I've seemed cautious/fluffy, and as town, I'm sure he'd want to pressure someone who's acting oddly to step up and act town.

Sinani/OK- This is based purely on OnceKing's actions. He has a great thread presence and seems comfortable steering the town in the direction that he believes to be the best. He has diverse interactions, and seems like he wants to understand the motives of each person in this thread before deciding who is scum.

Goodkarma/Eden- Also based purely on Eden's actions. He found someone who he believed wholeheartedly to be bad for town, and is pushing his lynch with all his effort, WITH good arguments. What more could you ask for from a town.


Neutral:
Rayn/Slender- rayn I felt good about at first, but he sort of dropped out of the chat. Slender seemed like he was trying with his Haru case, but he kept pushing it when people pointed out flaws in his logic. I'm not sure what to think about this. Aside from that, there isn't a lot of substance to work with from this group.

Haru/GlowingBear- Haru still hasn't done anything to make me believe he is mafia or town, but he has done enough to make it known that he's pretty touchy when it comes to accusations against him. Glowingbear has seemed to fall into a habit of getting behind in the thread, making a massive post, and then getting behind again. He's trying, but he does not have a lot of presence. Null for now.

Marv/Mderg- Marv has been gone and mderg has some decent stuff tbh. I like his pressure on Eden, but it comes later once there is already a wagon. I considered making a "leaning town" section just for this group, but I felt that I didn't have enough of a town tell. I'm fine with letting this group by until day 2, and hopefully they can be put in my town list.


Leaning Mafia:

Koshi/CR- I made my point about them earlier on, and neither of them have really done anything to disprove me. CR is still barely here, and his only defense to Bunnies' case was "hm, interesting case." Then AFK. Koshi hasn't been necessarily scummy so far, but I can't give a neutral read because half of the team is acting bearable.

Slam/Sqrt- Looking at Slam's pots, he posts a lot of complaining and anger about reads on him without a lot of defense. sqrt-1 is not explaining his reads, even when prodded. On top of that, he blatantly gave up halfway through the day, thinking that the day was ending. Would town not pay attention to day end? Would town just concede on a mislynch without posting why, and then refuse to explain their reads? If you answered yes to either of those questions, then you're bad.

Poofter/Bunnies- Poofter has been away for most of the day, which as other people said, fits his scum meta. Bunnies is overreacting to pretty much every accusation thrown at her, whether the accuser was joking or not. I'm not getting a town vibe from these two.

wow. We have same feels. exact same feels.
We could be friends if you bump me up to just above rayn. Also the marv slot is higher than Haru. Unless they don't die.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2014 16:11 GMT
#1441
So tldr: We are all sad that Slam was town but the good part is we just have to pray scum shoots marv and we win.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2014 16:56 GMT
#1443
oh yeah. I might have skimmed it a bit.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2014 17:55 GMT
#1459
WHERE IS RAYN????
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2014 17:56 GMT
#1462
On July 14 2014 02:56 IAmRobik wrote:
Who cares. Just let him be. He's town

No sorry. He needs to be here. With me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 13 2014 23:29 GMT
#1504
Pretty sure ee wont die. If we die my reads are clear. Just add candy on top.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 08:33 GMT
#1618
Caught up again. Going to look into Glowingbear/HaruRh.

[QUOTE]On July 14 2014 10:04 TheSlenderMan wrote:
@Koshi I'd STILL like you to elaborate on your Strat- and ExO-reads?
QUOTE]
I already explained my ExO_ read in my reply to Glowingbear. It comes down to him figuring out the game + being confident doing so.

Stratsuspicion was my first post in the game and I just read what CR said in the QT, opened strat his filter and didn't see anything townie so I ran with it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 08:33 GMT
#1619
Caught up again. Going to look into Glowingbear/HaruRh.

On July 14 2014 10:04 TheSlenderMan wrote:
@Koshi I'd STILL like you to elaborate on your Strat- and ExO-reads?

I already explained my ExO_ read in my reply to Glowingbear. It comes down to him figuring out the game + being confident doing so.

Stratsuspicion was my first post in the game and I just read what CR said in the QT, opened strat his filter and didn't see anything townie so I ran with it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 09:23 GMT
#1621
On July 14 2014 18:09 Eden1892 wrote:
Koshi:
who are your scum reads?
what have you done to get them lynched?
why don't I remember the answers to either of these?

HaruRh/Glowingbear for sure. I am reading their filters now. Pretty sure you can ask the same thing about them. I am currently on Glowingbear. I will type something up fast. I got some work to do as well.

There was only 1 lynch so far and you/OK owned it. I was there trying to reason with slam but he refused. So he could die.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 09:45 GMT
#1622
This was made on page 35:
On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Or put the grapes on spoiler :p

Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now.

Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread.


This was made on page 45:
On July 12 2014 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
OMG just got back home and BOOM 45 pages to read.
Gonna take a shower, skim through the pages, filter dive my strongest scum read and give a case. Then, if I get enough energy, I'll filter dive other people's scum reads to give my opinion.
God, it will take a while.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


GlowingBear has shown activeness through pages 1 to 45. These 2 quotes come from the bottom of his first first page of filter. How can you be active in the first 35 pages of the game, say you will make cases when you return in 4 hours, and then when you return you are totally lost because there are 10 more pages to read? What is the difference between 35 pages or 45 pages?
To me this looks like a scum showing activity in the early game but not thinking about the game. Then after being pressured to give reads (also by his own teammate HaruRh: "GlowingBears reads are amazing, just wait on them") he says he will do it in 4 hours, but when trying to come up with reads failing horribly.

This feeling is only strenghtened by the actual read post:
On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I've read enough.
I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful:

Half-ass summary:
+ Show Spoiler +

A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.


So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.

Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.

I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes:

sqrt's friendly quotes:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm

Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?

Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature.

[image loading]


On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.

This may come to prove important.
[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:
On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english.

why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo

The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum.

the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night

Eden is town.
Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people.
[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, rayn is first on my list.
Town.
Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post.
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:

I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.

Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.

Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town.

[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Haru is definitely strange.
He is not acting like in previous games.
I don't like him.

His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like.
This:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm going to do this:

##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer


The reasons:

1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value.

2. This post

On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm

Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?

Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation.

3. This post

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear


Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing.

3. This post

On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm

Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...

Meh

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh".


1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday.

2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language?
I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic.

3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page.
More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"?

Is a good post. Decent logic here.

Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.

Haru, a question for you.
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:
On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.

Do you play here on TL often?

How familiar are you with the game mafia?

What is your take on the game so far?

I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works.

As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone.

Fun question
What merits casting more than suspicion then
And who is your suspicion cast upon

So I go to sleep
and I wake up
and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls

--

Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative?

I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads.

it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda


I was waiting for you to say that robik

Top town

Why were you waiting for robik to say this?
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On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.
Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot.
Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it.
But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff.

Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting?
[image loading]


On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read.
[image loading]



I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners.
He made a push on Palmar, though:

sqrt's vote on Palmar's:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend)
He hasn't /confirmed yet.
First post:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Hi I am Pálmar

And then does nothing for a significant amount of time.
Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much.

Stratiform, I don't have a clue.
But this is my best read so far. They're mafia.
##Vote: Team Magic Computer
[image loading]


Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads.

If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all.

But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one:

Hi Post from Alakaslam:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Well

Hi



Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
This is why it is perfect victory

[image loading]



So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now.

Slam gotta do better to change my vote.

So this read post is 13 hours later then when he promised he was going to provide reads. But Glowingbear doesn't get further then the page he was on when he promised these reads. These reads all date back to page 35. Now if we look at the actual content in this post there is only something on sqrt, and it has nothing to do with scumhunting. It's just sqrt is being friendly and on the sidelines. Which is exactly how Glowingbear is playing tbh, this is the first post that contains any form of reads and we are 50 pages far.

There is nothing on Alakaslam. From reading the Alakaslam filter GlowingBear quoted a post about Alakaslam saying "Hi". That's it. I don't even know what to say about that except that it isn't a townie looking to figure out Alakaslam his alignment. HaruRh makes it look like GlowingBear was pretty good in previous games at scumhunting, I haven't checked this but if GlowingBear did find scum. He probable didn't do it by analysing "Hi" posts.

So in this post he against promises reads for 3 other people. I am seeing a pattern here. GlowingBear keep getting behind on the thread and then by catching up he doesn't have to play in the moment. He just gives himself time to make outdated posts. In theory this is already 100% scummy, but forgivable if the reads would help the game forward. Or in the very least attempt to do so:
On July 13 2014 05:29 GlowingBear wrote:
-> About my suspicions on ExO:
As I said before, my preferred method of chasing scum is looking after passivity/overly friendly behavior, although not the only one (this is the last time I'm saying this, you all know it by now). So, what raised suspicions on ExO was this particular post:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:
Some thoughts:

Team D-

I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies).

Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads.

What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players.

Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too .

So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town.

Team Whine
Slam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them.

Team VendettaStrada
I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing.

Team needs a lawyer
I always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant.

Team Magic Carpet
Not a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread.
*scum read*

Team GoodCornBadCorn
Completely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons

Team Crotch Rocket
Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though

Team Fraud walRus
Sinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read

Team M squared
mderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town


So that leaves me with

Town
M squared
Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name)
Rocket Crotch


Null
D-
Whine*
Goodcornbadcorn*
Fraud walRus

Scum
Lawyer
Magic Carpet

*Mostly afk


So, basically, a huge post with tons of null reads and three town reads. This is, to me, being over friendly. Moreover, if you check his scum guesses, he thinks me and haru might be scums because we are not posting things with value. However, he is hesitating on us. Then, he thinks Palmar is scum for saying that we are scum for not posting anything of value. So, he is attacking Palmar for using the same logic as him.
So, not a good post. This is what made him feel suspicious for me.

*********

--> About my suspicions on Robik
Alright, I felt Robik was suspicious because he said he wasn't going to post and then started to spam things, or that is what I felt. Something like these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2014 12:29 IAmRobik wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:22 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:07 OnceKing wrote:
so do you have an actual reason for not playing the game robik i must have missed it


read the thread. not gonna answer this again cause i'm a lil whiney bitch


On July 11 2014 12:21 IAmRobik wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Rob if you were mafia, what kind of post would you have made?

Didn't think about that and didn't have to worry about it because when I opened my role pm I found out that I was town.


On July 11 2014 16:32 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause I am god-tier at reading Rayn. And on that note I'm going to bed


On July 11 2014 23:51 IAmRobik wrote:
Man, if I was town jr and marv was my town sr, I would be so content right now. I literally would have 0 posts in the thread


On July 11 2014 23:55 IAmRobik wrote:
I mean, my comment had nothing to do with the game or my reads. It was a random thought that came to my head.



On July 12 2014 03:45 IAmRobik wrote:
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On July 12 2014 03:41 OnceKing wrote:
it was a hearthstone discussion
and no
but i dont think i joked around that much in my newbie as town either sooooooooooooo poor meta reads ftw?

just looked into the first game. I was in it. I was town. You were medic. You didn't save me n1.

Policy lynch:
##vote: oncekingworstmedicnaeuoceana


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=611&topic_id=461355

On July 12 2014 01:40 IAmRobik wrote:
Man this post is so fucking scummy, but this guy is town. Don't lynch him!

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On July 12 2014 01:38 ExO_ wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:34 mderg wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:24 mderg wrote:
Can we lynch Robik for being a liar?

Where did I lie?

right at the start when you promised to barely post this game. (I don´t really want to lynch you for that, I´m just salty because of world cup mafia)


Listen here I tried to save you in world cup remember!

I was wrong on just about everything else, but I did try to save you with good logic!



On July 12 2014 00:57 IAmRobik wrote:
TOWNIEST POST IN THE MOTHA FUCKIN THREAD. THIS GUY IS SO FUCKING BRUTALLY TOWN. IF ANYONE VOTES TO LYNCH HIM, YOU WILL FACE MY WRATH

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On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:
Some thoughts:

Team D-

I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies).

Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads.

What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players.

Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too .

So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town.

Team Whine
Slam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them.

Team VendettaStrada
I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing.

Team needs a lawyer
I always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant.

Team Magic Carpet
Not a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread.
*scum read*

Team GoodCornBadCorn
Completely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons

Team Crotch Rocket
Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though

Team Fraud walRus
Sinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read

Team M squared
mderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town


So that leaves me with

Town
M squared
Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name)
Rocket Crotch


Null
D-
Whine*
Goodcornbadcorn*
Fraud walRus

Scum
Lawyer
Magic Carpet

*Mostly afk



These are quotes with Robik's sarcasm (which is really funny imo). But the thing is, looking out of context, it just seems that he wants to spam the thread. While re-reading his filters and trying to put those quotes on context, it looked like he was actually answering people. But... I don't know. Poor answers tbh. He insists to let ExO post more too much, also. And... why quoting his partner just to say "look ppl, this guy is town!". I just think that his spamming is not good, it looks suspicious to me because it just makes the thread difficult to read. Finally, I haven't seem a hard push coming from that team. That's what raised suspicions on him.
But people who played with Robik before can say better if I'm being too hard on his playfulness.

**********

--> About my suspicions on Eden
Same as Robik. Funny but unhelpful in some posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2014 11:35 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 11:34 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:32 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:30 IAmRobik wrote:
We are town. I will barely be posting for the rest of the game as we have absolutely nothing to hide and thus I will allow ExO to give his reads as they will be 100% genuine and not convoluted because he is town and everything that he posts will 100% be his honest opinion. I was thinking on the ride home how I would word this post if we got VT and it sounded way better and less convoluted, but it is what it is.

ExO, the floor is yours!

confirmed power role

i will sheep you to victory robik lead me

Gets on Banks case for PR hunting...goes on to PR hunt

LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

i'm allowed to do that because i'm confirmed town


On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter

because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now


On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter

because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now


No, I want to move passed this.

I think it is dumb and stupid. Whether it's kenpachi rule, or whatever the hell made up rule you came up with.

[image loading]


On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:01 IAmRobik wrote:
OK and Eden have to stop harping on this "whatever" rule bullshit. It's really not progressing the thread anywhere and it's annoying to read over and over again

go back to not posting


On July 11 2014 12:04 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter

because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now


No, I want to move passed this.

I think it is dumb and stupid. Whether it's kenpachi rule, or whatever the hell made up rule you came up with.

[image loading]


That's some good seasoning.
We use it in the South on just about everything.

it is, i use it all the time

very high salt content though, much like your post

On July 11 2014 12:43 Eden1892 wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear

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On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I like this post. Townie points.

Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game?

Do you need to call a lawyer?


The"Double"D


wow ok count 'em up there's #2 we goin to da top town

[image loading]


On July 11 2014 14:07 Eden1892 wrote:
Boy it sure is boring being a Louisiana VOLTRON Mason with bunnies and OnceKing...


On July 12 2014 06:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 06:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait y u lynch sqrt?

[image loading]



Ok, I'll stop here because I've made my point.
But that's not the only suspicious part. I find weird his strong push on poof based on a policy, while I think poof was being sarcastic regarding Eden's claim. But even if he thought poof was scum, I think he should reason it better. His explanation was late:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2014 11:56 Eden1892 wrote:
y'all are dumb as hell smh

no one is using the Kenpachi Rule

this is actually the Ihcapnek Rule, where someone is scum because they believe a VT claim too quickly, not because they cast doubt on the VT claim

this is much better than the Kenpachi Rule and you should all follow the Ihcapnek Rule and vote TheD

Ok, so, if he thinks this policy is good, he should push hard on it, no?
He didn't:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2014 14:59 Eden1892 wrote:
Sweet.

I didn't actually "get the feeling" blahblah at all, actually I was starting to back off my scumread of slot TheD and bunnies' recent posts have solidified that move.

We're not lynching bunnies today

##UNVOTE Team TheD
##VOTE Team FakeClaim


Why? Robik is on Team FakeClaim, and Robik claimed town. Therefore he is fake claiming and therefore he is scum. Checkmate


Then, suddenly, Robik is town:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 12 2014 06:38 Eden1892 wrote:
ok i'm on page 40

everybody shut the fuck up about robik he's town this is a waste

bunnies is not toxic to the thread, her questions might not always be going places and her spat with robik or whoever tf back in the 30s was silly but it doesn't matter because she is also town

we're lynching sqrt today, god bless america

someone read the post i highlighted in response to exo's reads and tell me how it isn't scum-motivated


His scumreads flips too quickly, look what followed up:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 12 2014 14:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 14:17 TheSlenderMan wrote:
But that doesn't mean the rest of the topics of discussion should die

trufax, ignoring Slamroot for now

right now I would only be okay with killing the following teams (listed in order in 2nd post of thread):
- WeDemandALawyer
- Magic Computer
- GoodCopBadCop
- M&M

of those I like Magic Computer, GoodCopBadCop and M&M the most for potential next-lynches

I'm not trying to ignore your case on WeDemandALawyer, promise, it's just weird to me that none of those slots have done anything I really remember/consider important


On July 12 2014 15:21 Eden1892 wrote:
ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster

1: 31 posts (020/011)
2: 36 posts (025/011)
3: 99 posts (044/055)
4: 123 posts (031/092)
5: 64 posts (043/021)
6: 21 posts (009/012)
7: 80 posts (008/072)
8: 93 posts (077/016)
9: 89 posts (011/078)
10: 91 posts (076/015)

preliminary thoughts by team:
- slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot
- slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it
- slot 3 is scum, we're killing today
- slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot
- slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing
- slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in
- slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting
- slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot

tl;dr:
- slot 3 scum
- slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table
- slot 6 tbd
- slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order


That concludes what I found suspicious on Robik, ExO and Eden.

I would like to see marv's opinion on this post. Waiting for it.
[/i][/i][/i][/i]
This again is so many hours later and I already commented on this post to show goodwill to GlowingBear. But in the end this post just isn't what it should be. There is nothing here that pushes the game forward, that only a townie would think off or what a scum wouldn't say.

On July 13 2014 15:04 GlowingBear wrote:
3am here but I'm not feeling sleepy. Someone to talk please?

marv, please, bring your thoughts on my main posts


On July 14 2014 02:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2014 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
On July 13 2014 15:04 GlowingBear wrote:
3am here but I'm not feeling sleepy. Someone to talk please?

marv, please, bring your thoughts on my main posts

honestly I can't really be bothered, because it's boring. I think anything you wrote could have been written by mafia, but Haru being weird on several occasions has made me leery of lynching you.

Take it or leave it my friend ^^


"Glowingbear threw random names"
*a huge post justifying my suspicions*
"Lol tl;dr too boring to read."

Gg. At least koshi had the decency to reply to my post

Koshi, about Robik, I said that his posts, at least out of context, sounded like he was simply throwing random jokes and that when looking inside a context I wasn't sure if they were some random jokes or had some kind of meaning, but I still thought they were simple spam.
When I say spam I am referring to a lot of posts with little information. I think that they make the thread bigger and useless. I think this is harmful to town. That is why I like to skim through the thread and post big posts, because it makes easier to people analyse what I say. I'm still improving on the formatting so I makes easier. I'm doing my best to be clear to town, clear to any analyses, but still there are people saying that I look scummy for that. I can't really understand why.

Then in the following many muchos hours. GlowingBear keeps referring back to his post about ExO, Robik and Eden. Why? Is it because he still thinks these 2 teams are the scumteams? I dare you. Who are the scummers in GlowingBear his mind right now? Tell me? You can't.


Now I also skimmed HaruRh his posts and I don't see much scumhunting there as well. Pretty sure he calls Robik town, I don't know about Eden. cba to look atm. I already know enough.


##vote: WeDemandALawyer
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 09:46 GMT
#1623
Also the feels you get when your top 2 towns are voting you.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 12:10 GMT
#1626
On July 14 2014 20:18 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2014 18:46 Koshi wrote:
Also the feels you get when your top 2 towns are voting you.


I like your glowing bear case.

I'm going to go to bed but can you read robik/rayn for me.

Also what is your read on me and bunnies?

Robik has given reads on everybody. Hard reads. I don't see him being scum. ExO_ should post a big read post again. Then we can all be sure.

If rayn hasn't found the 2 scum after he rereads we lynch him.

Bunnies had this post:
On July 13 2014 07:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Alo, Eden and OKs meta read on each other is a bit weird, tho I could see why that read would be made.

But they could still be mafia together.

Also, where are their other halves?

(Not that I can say anything, my other half is... who knows.... Lol)

Robik's been pushing scum on me for poofter being afk, but doesn't even mention the fact that sinani and GK have barely posted a thing. JS

She talks about these posts:
On July 13 2014 06:29 Eden1892 wrote:
yea nah there's 0% chance onceking is scum this game

robik, in that newbie game we played together, ok kept doing shit i didn't fully understand, but didn't find especially sinister. for example the case he made on valenius... i never agreed with it at all. it sounded good enough and looked to me like town play from him but i disagreed with the read big time and never really considered valenius a legit target. he pushed on somebody else i forget that didn't really follow to me either

compare to this game where we're literally x-posting and you can see the difference. if he's scum then he's got me because i feel like at the very least he would be sluggish in seeing what i'm seeing, y'know? because he doesn't know what i would consider "knowing too much" and he would need time to assess it. not here, he's just firing away with whatever he's got and it's exactly what i'm seeing too

it's a bullshit unfair heuristic for him when he is scum but basically if he's not on the same page as me and i'm town, he's scum. he's on the same page to a ridiculous extent that only makes sense when you consider that he taught me the game so he's confirmed town and i'm confirmed town



For some reason I can't find the second one... The one from OnceKing, but he said this:
On July 13 2014 07:18 OnceKing wrote:
Okay look
Here is why Eden and I make zero sense as scum partners
Why would we as mafia put all of our eggs into one basket especially so early on day 1
It's almost add if people believe that we went in scum chat and was like

Hey Eden... Scumbuddy... Let's say the exact same things in the thread... Yeah the exact same thing... They'll never see it coming

And yet we're agreeing so closely on everything that there's no way only one of us is scum
So he's town and I am too

If you trust Eden you should trust me and vice versa

And this is just how everybody should see it.

It is literally impossible that both Eden/OnceKing are mafia. I could go for 1 being mafia jeebus. But never both. NEVER. I think town ninjabunnies should see this.


Then there is this tunnel from ninjabunnies on me. It is solely based on the fact that I entered this game similar to how I entered Normal Mini Numbered. She hasn't given any other reason but that. She did however repeat this one reason a couple times already. Now I have asked her twice to check my other 2 towngames in which I replaced. But 27nb refuses. WHY? I don't ask her to do this because I think it will show me being town btw, I just want her to say anything more than "Koshi entered SIMILAR than this other game in which he was scum". But she isn't.

Then there is this gem I just found filtering OnceKing:
On July 13 2014 05:16 OnceKing wrote:
but didn't Koshi enter the thread with reads lol

Here is the link. 27nb IGNORES the blatant contradiction in her 1 line scumcase on me. OnceKing also said something about CR having a town entry and 27nb also "could see" it. But later kept calling CR/Koshi scum for the same reason she said we were scum the first time. Her read doesnt get updated.

Lastly and this is just feels.
I looks like ninjabunnies is being pretty dramatical if it comes to people scumreading her. She is acts annoyed and closed off while I know in the game I replaced in as scum she didn't do that as town. She kept fighting till the end, and there she was getting lynched. She was always nice.


Now I say all these things to her scumpartner. But it is actually for the entire thread to read.

But GlowingBear/HaruRh deserve my vote more. They also get way more townreads than 27nb and I don't see why. There are actually also pretty good things in 27nb filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 14:34 GMT
#1628
On July 14 2014 23:28 IAmRobik wrote:
You type too much Koshi. My attention span for long cases is like negative 0

My cases are so interesting that once you start you can't stop.
Go for a positive 0!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 14:43 GMT
#1630
On July 14 2014 23:41 IAmRobik wrote:
I was really hoping to get carried this game by ExO...Where is he? I hope he comes in with mindblowing stuff and then we just all sheep him and lynch scum

I prefer to have your guy than my guy. And I actually like CR his play. Except when it is shitty and I get modkilled for saying that. Maybe I only like his scumplay.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 14:44 GMT
#1631
Yeah, I actually do only like his scumplay.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 14:52 GMT
#1634
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/431052-hogwarts-mafia?user=Chairman Ray

The last post is hilarious. I was so angry for getting modkilled. meh.
CR owns me to play bestest town this game.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 14:56 GMT
#1636
On July 14 2014 23:55 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2014 23:46 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm going to make a statement that everyone is gonna rip me for cause it's a bit contradictory and it's doesn't really progress the thread too much but,


The night kills point to rayn/slendy being mafia.


I actually agree with this to some extent.

A bit of WIFOM to be sure, but if you look at their activity levels, and what little they've contributed I'd say the evidence starts stacking against them.

I'd like to wait until Rayne gets back before jumping to conclusions but this is very possible.

Can you explain why?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 15:00 GMT
#1639
How is that related to the night kills? Scum killed not active people. Now they just stand out more.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 15:06 GMT
#1641
On July 15 2014 00:04 IAmRobik wrote:
Koshi, you know why I think what I think, right? ... I didn't want to explain it until karma finished his thought.

Nope. I could see a reason but I doubt you think that reason.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 14 2014 15:18 GMT
#1645
I think the marv/mderg kill was kinda terrible. Especially combined with Palmar/strat. At least one out of Eden/OK should have died. If we lynch scum today the game is basically over because too many confirmed townies.

So my theory is that they were on the right track. Both marv and Stratiform.


Also, how the fuck can I know that Robik? I wasn't in that game. It wasn't even on TL.
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