EPTOn July 11 2014 23:47 kushm4sta wrote:
Vivax I don't see hiro attempting a topic switch as either alignment this game
Vivax I don't see hiro attempting a topic switch as either alignment this game
So he's neither scum nor town rofl?
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So he's neither scum nor town rofl? | ||
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On July 11 2014 23:51 kushm4sta wrote: He's not attempting a topic change Yes he does, he discusses BM with SlOosh. When SlOosh isn't convinced, he attacks his case on mderg for no reason I can think of except "well, this guy is opposing me". When SlOosh says his defense sucks, he tries to go back to discussing BM. I can't think of any other reason for Hiro starting to defend mderg at that single point when he could have done that much earlier, except for the reason that SlOosh was opposing him. | ||
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When I asked him about the yammo read he had to think it through and decided to change it, but now he clearly didn't think through his ExO read and the fact that the guy was on Obi as well. It's a scumread on a whim. ##Vote: mderg | ||
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I see my absence hasn't gone unnoticed. Needless to say I'll need a while to catch up with everything. | ||
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I'm not sure if this necessarily makes him scum given the efforts I've seen but it would be worth a good explanation as to why his reads are so wobbly. On July 12 2014 04:01 layabout wrote: might need to rush off and i dont have time for full analysis but... these were the 3 main important lynches: obwian (Mafia) forumite(?) and iamp(town) obi wagon at it's highest i feel like prplhz and exo are town but might need to look over it fourmite wagons at it's highest toad sloosh and huruh are the ones i would be least confident calling town followed by billl full iamp wagon: people on iamp wagon that weren't on either of the other two of this group we know obi was mafia and that corazon was town, i am willing to label kush and sinani town so this suggest vivax or forumite is scum playerlist minus 3 main wagons IAmRobik town iamperfection town layabout ritoky batsnacks mderg Damdred Forumite HiroPro Tehpoofter 3rd party 27ninjabunnies 3rd party maybe someone could colour it? On July 15 2014 10:29 layabout wrote: If people by and large aren't seeing toad a scum i might put the idea on hold. It really bugs me that ritoky labels those posts "vote analysis" it's vote data the analysis is the bit that you do with it that he hasn't done for instance: I believe that in the end mafia would prefer to be on the list of voters for kushmaster than not once they thought he was doomed. kush would have died yesterday or today so whilst a mislynch was desirable it would not be worth the risk of exposing more members of the team. Even if they tried to save kush once it was clear that he would get lynched then, being on the wagon make them look a whole lot better than not. So if you agree with my initial statement mafia are likelier to be in; Group 1: kushm4sta:toadesstern, sloosh, batsnacks, yamato77, forumite, hiropro, ritoky, harurh Than in group 2: Non-voters: layabout, koshi, vivax, exo_, damnedred, alakaslam Next i would use my thoughts about the players in question to trim group 1 down to: batsnacks forumite hiropro ritoky harurh and after looking into that i might say that we should kill batsnacks or ritoky and since he never bothered to do any of this i would then say that we should kill ritoky. ^^^^^ Vote analysis ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On July 15 2014 10:54 layabout wrote: prior to yesterday my preference would have been damdred - > ritoky -> bat given that he went nowhere i don't see why i would want to move ritoky up that order even before he stopped playing vivax did nothing to make it onto any of my lists of town hero's peope with town points or people to be weary of so i could consider lynching him before bat if we are still playing or decide to lynch bat at all. we shouldn't forget all this: On July 16 2014 00:36 layabout wrote: if i were to vote viavx it would be for doing nothing significant despite posting a lot then disappearing, it would be policy in part damdred gave me weird vibes at the start and has done nothing to change that ##Vote Damdred | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:32 Damdred wrote: Question for mderg, why do you have layabout and Haru posted as scum but you voted for someone that you were leaning scum in such a knee jerk fashion? It would probably of been less scummy going for one of them rather than voteing exo like you did if you had such a scum read on them to. This question was asked right before the hammer on mderg and his vote. Does this look like a question you ask to somebody you suspect of being scum? This feels more like a question I would ask post game to a guy of whom I know he's town, asking him why he made the mistake of looking scummy. Mderg replies: I voted Exo because his post looked awful at that moment. I don´t keep lists who is exactly how scummy all the time, so the vote was a decision for that moment. Also layabout wasn´t that scummy at the point I voted, he just got way down in my list because wanting the hammer. I could have changed the vote but that wouldn´t have changed anything. I will 99,9% be lynched anyway. And this is Damdred's reaction. On July 12 2014 10:58 Damdred wrote: I guess i could hammer if everyone wants me to... On July 12 2014 11:04 Damdred wrote: Ok I don't think we are getting anywhere at this point so i'm going to hammer and end the day early ##Vote: Mderg Respect the hammer don't die No interest into the answer to a rather pointless question, and he openly delegates responsibility for his decision before dropping the hammer. I'd lynch him just based on this. | ||
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On July 16 2014 19:12 Forumite wrote: Vivax, why were you gone? Is it relevant? If I'm scum who suddenly stopped playing the game for some reason, then I will just make up the reason. If I had a good reason, you got no way of confirming it and I will just waste time explaining it. I'd rather have you judge me for what I actually contribute to solving the game. | ||
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On July 16 2014 20:05 Koshi wrote: Vivax, bro, Just try to find the scummers for real and then we lynch you. Found Damdred already, at least I'm rather sure that the way he handled mderg is the way a scummer would handle it. That question to mderg was just feigned, and his hammer wasn't confident. He had to look like he had some doubts, like he was trying to figure him out, hence that question. But the question wasn't important. He didn't let it flow into his reasoning, and the reason he hammered, so he claimed, was cause of the pressure from the others. Which is not what you would say if you truly were sure that mderg was scum. And I want you to agree with this cause it's really obvious, regardless of whether I get lynched or not. | ||
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On July 16 2014 20:40 Koshi wrote: Look Vivax. My bestest friend. You let 2 misslynches happen D1 and D2. You didn't push these lynches, you let them happen. You were afk for too long but for some reason nobody cared. Tons of people have scumreads on all the other people that are afk, yet people are hesitant to lynch you today. Now that you are here, you can not make me forget you abandonned me in this thread. Therefore, please find all the scummers, I think 3 are left. Or maybe 4 and there is no sk but that is unlikely. And then you can die with dignity. But we can't simply not lynch you. I hope you understand. I can't not let a lynch just happen when the opposite would be to stop the lynch from happening, which I wouldn't have done cause I was believing that those were the best lynches at the time. This is why the arguments you and SlOosh use suck balls. You are saying I'm scum for not being able to see that those guys were town, cause that would be the only case in which I would not let these lynches happen. The other argument part of that mindset is that I didn't start those wagons, implying that such a thing is scummy in itself. These are all awful arguments, maybe useful for pushing my lynch, but not a valid way of discerning my alignment. The one and only thing behind all this wagon on me is Vivax afk for too long = scum. Everything else is either a pile of confirmation bias or something purely designed to get me lynched, I'll take a closer look at what it is for the individual players behind it when I'm fully caught up. In the meantime: ##Vote Damdred | ||
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On July 16 2014 21:35 layabout wrote: that's not a fair assesment you weren't involved when you were here but you were active, you clearly aren't invested in trying to figure out the game whilst when you roll town you quite clearly are. Provide your point with quotes from my filter and comment on the post I made about you please. | ||
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On July 16 2014 21:41 layabout wrote: no i don't need to my point is valid without window dressing Layabout, you didn't push those lynches hard enough. You weren't involved into the D1 lynch at all. You posted a lot of arguments for people being scum purely based on arbitrary wagon analysis without keeping it in consideration for later. You have shown to waffle on my read. Sentence 1: What you are saying about me. Factually unproven since you refuse to provide evidence. Sentence 2: Correct, you claimed to have a hangover or something like that. Sentence 3: Correct as pointed out by my quotes. Sentence 4: Correct as pointed out by my quotes. Any sane town will see this. Now, 2 doesn't make you scum on its own, but it's what's being used against me in its basis. 1 is purely subjective and can't be proven by quotes, cause the degree of my involvement varies from game to game, and is based on a standard you are setting after entertaining the notion that I'm scum for my absence. 3 and 4 however need explanations you are refusing to share, cause they show that you might make up arguments on the go without applying them to your hypothetical figuring out the game. | ||
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On July 16 2014 22:02 Koshi wrote: So you are going to find 1 scum? Are you stupid? | ||
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Fuck off seriously. | ||
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Good job if you managed to have 16 pages of filter as scum. | ||
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On July 16 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I can't do that as scum. You know that. But you are completely right I am trying to do those things. But I don't want to use it against you. tbh I was truly going to swap to Damdred btw. pinkyswear. But if he flips town you understand that I can't do anything else but spam for 100 pages in the night that you need to be lynched. You understand and accept this right? No, I don't understand and don't accept it. If I have good reasons to think somebody is scum and so does every guy accepting my reasoning and voting for that lynch, then my reasoning was understandable and that guy made me read him wrong. The trick lies in figuring out if the reasoning is genuine or not, and in this case I think the reasoning is correct, and I guarantee that it's genuine. The question to mderg was bullshit, and the followup was bullshit, and it's there for the world to see. On July 15 2014 13:55 batsnacks wrote: INFORMATION: There is at least one more operator. That operator connected me and ritoky last night. Ritoky is mafia. Has this post been discussed already? | ||
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On July 16 2014 22:35 yamato77 wrote: I'm not at all convinced that damdred is mafia at this point Then convince me that he's town. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:09 Damdred wrote: lol i take it i'm the scum read that wants to proove himself lol gg This post is just so ambiguous. Not only doesn't he wait to see who Koshi meant, he relates it to himself and finds it funny for some reason. On one hand he thinks he's scummy to Koshi for some reason, on the other he reacts so chill and jokes around, calls gg. If I were to think that this dude was town then it would be for this post, for example, although I have trouble spelling out why, prolly cause he seems so carefree. On the other hand he didn't seem carefree at all when he hammered mderg. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:16 Koshi wrote: Alakaslam said Damdred was scum for that post. I agree. It was quite obvious I meant Forumite there. Idk, it's just a weird reaction to thinking that somebody is calling you scum. At least not something I experienced so far. "lol gg you caught me", "oh it wasn't me, oh well, see ya then". | ||
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