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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
July 17 2014 21:37 GMT
#3101
BM, did you find anything?

I didn´t know Koshi was a blue role. Did he reveal this earlier?
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
July 17 2014 21:38 GMT
#3102
On July 18 2014 06:34 Bill Murray wrote:
Exo visited Ritoky GG

<3

##Vote: ExO_
:3
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 17 2014 21:42 GMT
#3103
I knew Koshi was blue by how he was playing
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 17 2014 21:42 GMT
#3104
and yeah obv Vote: exo_
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 17 2014 21:51 GMT
#3105
##vote Exo

So why exactly isn't mafia shooting you? Just as an aside
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2014 21:54 GMT
#3106
well this makes things easy.

##Vote ExO
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 17 2014 21:57 GMT
#3107
Official Votecount

exo_ (4): toadesstern, billmurray, forumite, hiropro

With 11 players alive it takes 6.0 votes to lynch.

Last update 21:55 GMT (+00:00)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 17 2014 22:06 GMT
#3108
Exo -> Vivax -> HiroPro ezpz

##Vote: ExO

This makes 1 minus hammer
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 17 2014 22:12 GMT
#3109
Uhh next one is hammer is what I meant.

It's been long day.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 17 2014 22:31 GMT
#3110
Okay here's what I'm thinking about this check and my question from above:
On July 18 2014 06:51 Toadesstern wrote:
##vote Exo

So why exactly isn't mafia shooting you? Just as an aside


Why didn't they shoot BM and I've come up with 3 scenarios:
  1. BM is mafia. Highly unlikely at this point as he gave us a lynch that would otherwise not have happened but I'm including it for the sake of keeping this complete. Very unlike but possible
  2. They have a framer that not only makes people appear red/green/whatever but makes people appear like the visited someone or didn't visit someone. With there not being any normal cops (or so it seems) but instead just trackers and watchers that'd be a necessary change to the role and has been done before. That being said and it certainly being possible I don't think the check on ExO_ is all that likely to be wrong even if it were to be the case. I simply don't see mafia not using it on Vivax yesterday. Either way Vivax would be town and you want to make him look like mafia or he's mafia and you want to make him look like he's not.
  3. And finally: Mafia just didn't think he'd check ExO and got multiple people to choose from to carry out the Nightkills. That means that for example mafia thought BM would target Vivax and thus choose to not use Vivax as a NK deliverer and were hoping to get a "Vivax didn't visit anyone yesterday" out of BM while using the less likely to be checked ones to actually deliver the kill


Anything I'm missing? I thought the third one makes it a little more likely for Vivax to be mafia at first but really the same is still true if Vivax is town. Either way I'd say #3 is the most likely scenario right now and think mafia did play high risk high reward here because again, they didn't and never looked like they had a say in anything starting from d1.
#2 sounds possible as well but I think that'd be a bit overkill with their already flipped roles being OP-VIG and Roleblocker. Not sure if a change to a GF that doesn't appear to visit someone while killing people has ever been done on this site so I left that one out but it would fall under the 2nd point as well.

Thoughts? What do you guys think does that make of Vivax? Because like I mentioned I'd say mafia assumed him to be checked last night.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 17 2014 22:35 GMT
#3111
actually I revise some of what I said about #3 but I'll keep it to me for now. Wouldn't mind hearing other people thoughts about why they apprently aren't scared of BM at all.

Other options would be something like they're afraid of us still having a medic but with that guy already flipped it seems pretty unlikely. Should have included that one for completions sake as well though.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2014 22:39 GMT
#3112
All of these are possible but frankly I think it's more likely that mafia simply thought BM wasn't going to put in any effort towards pushing lynches outside of his check. Koshi had a similar role of his own, which is almost as strong at this point, since anyone with useful roles has claimed at this point.

ExO had nothing to indicate that he was town other than a throw-away vote on obishinobi. There's no reason to keep him alive when he both isn't posting and has a track result on him.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 17 2014 22:40 GMT
#3113
shall i end the day?
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 17 2014 22:40 GMT
#3114
sure, go ahead.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 17 2014 22:41 GMT
#3115
I voted wrong so I'm gonna fix it soon.

Exo who has been totally absent from the game is found visiting the dude who died. Let's keep it simple. He is probably the mafia who was sent.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 17 2014 22:42 GMT
#3116
Fixed, next vote hammers
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 17 2014 22:43 GMT
#3117
On July 18 2014 07:41 slOosh wrote:
I voted wrong so I'm gonna fix it soon.

Exo who has been totally absent from the game is found visiting the dude who died. Let's keep it simple. He is probably the mafia who was sent.

if that was directed at me, yeah but that wasn't my point.

I was asking about what that makes of Vivax. ExO_ is as much a clear cut insta vote as you'll ever get.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 17 2014 22:46 GMT
#3118
Oh. From a tactical standpoint, I would send Exo regardless of what kind of team I was in. If he caughts caught, big woop he is eventually gonna get lurker lynched or something. Also you don't want your active members to get caught.

On July 17 2014 18:05 yamato77 wrote:
I'm telling you that Vivax is one.

Vivax argued against lynching Exo, so he is probably another.

You, Sloosh, layabout, Toad, BM, Slam, and ritoky are probably not mafia.

Batsnacks/Forumite/Hiro are the only other ones even worth looking at. Hiro is easily the worst looking one of the three.

I think that's one thing you can conclude if you want to use associations.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 17 2014 22:50 GMT
#3119
And layabout I think we are good with a hammer right now.

Th e people who haven't yet done so should respond to yamato's request for a spectrum of reads.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 17 2014 22:53 GMT
#3120
now doesn't the spectrum of reads essentially tell mafia who they can kill to survive and who they can leave to vote with?
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