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On July 17 2014 03:58 slOosh wrote:
Bill Murray
layabout
yamato77
Toadesstern
Koshi
Forumite
Alakaslam
ExO_
batsnacks
ritoky
HiroPro
Vivax
That's my groups.
BM is confirmed, layabout also confirmed (and Vivax doesn't acknowledge this), the next three are town on behavior.
Forumite feels town due to how D1 went down, Slam I'm trusting yamato on this one, Exo is for reals inactive.
Vivax is scum because my case, and the fact that he just happened to unlurk and deflect the lynch onto Damdred, HiroPro is scum for tunneling Damdred the whole game and doing nothing else, and also missing all of D1, and then it's probably ritoky or something.
I can agree with that. If the groups themselves are ranked I'd put batsnacks a lower within the lowest group but all in all agree.
I'd say there's a difference in towniness between Forumite Alakaslam and ExO_ but it should come down to all 3 of them being town and us having to yolo at this point in time anyways. So no more time for doubt.
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I think we should leave the specific order out for tonight and please don't answer that question forumite / BM.
For as shitty as this whole "don't talk during the night" argument was it has some truth to it right now. We don't need to tell mafia who's willing to lynch what right now. We just need to be faster on the ball the next cycle and hope we still have enough people around.
That being said I'd totally nominate Vivax as town mayor and suggest we lynch Koshi tomorrow.
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for my own sake because I have no idea if 12:00 pm CEST is 24:00 or 12:00...
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Not as funny ever since Alakaslam got banned and I ended up being the only one who posts stuff like that but whatever
##vote Vivax
Also mafia seems to try and get a Forumite - Toad lylo happening, which makes me only more likely to think that I was wrong earlier on. Sorry Forumite 
I'll kick you in the dick if you turn out to be mafia though.
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- Toadesstern - Town, no explanation needed
Bill Murray - Town, no explanation needed
layabout - Town, no explanation needed
- yamato77 - very likely town, because actually did something all game long
slOosh - very likely town. Could possibly be a buddying mafia and I'm a little afraid but no time to doubt anymore. He posted reasonable, the reason for saying that he might be buddying is because of his post explaining to laya that I'm not doing what laya said at all and it looked like BM's lie made me judge the situation differently. As a good side, VE said the same thing and he already flipped so I'm not afraid of it being mafia-buddying.
Alakaslam - likely town. Looked town early on, liked him and it's a read based on guts. Nothing to explain here really with him leaving us later on and thus not having anything post... d1?
Forumite - likely town. Either he or I'd be dead by now if he would have been mafia. Mafia's not afraid of me tunneling Forumite AT ALL which most likely means he's town. Koshi didn't get shot early either and he had a mafiaread on Forumite so we both were kept alive for reasons like that.
- batsnacks - almost null, ever so slightlish on the townside if I have to fit him somewhere while considering the rest of the list because I always forget about him being the guy BM checked no-visiting. BM still being alive is troublesome though. Makes it very possible for mafia to have a framer left. So no sure about that one but I wouldn't want to lynch him before the other people further down are dead
- ExO_ - kind of mafia? Massive lurker who hasn't done anything except for when the lynch was about to happen to pop out his head and yell "hurr durr not me pls". He's getting the benefit of the doubt and thus is the least likely lynch out of the last 3 for me because I don't know him and I don't know if he's usually capable.
- HiroPro - likey to be mafia. Unlike ExO_ I know this guy is capable and hasn't done anything really. No town-guiding factor at all and has been by/on the sidelines all game long
Vivax - very likely to be mafia. Same as above only more extreme, with more buddy-buddy while not actually doing something himself. No major comments on something that really that felt like he's committing to anything. Like Angela Merkel, Mr. Teflon, very PC, very nothing-sticks-on-him
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truth be told, it's mostly by method of elimination though.
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##vote Exo
So why exactly isn't mafia shooting you? Just as an aside
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Okay here's what I'm thinking about this check and my question from above:
On July 18 2014 06:51 Toadesstern wrote:
##vote Exo
So why exactly isn't mafia shooting you? Just as an aside
Why didn't they shoot BM and I've come up with 3 scenarios:
- BM is mafia. Highly unlikely at this point as he gave us a lynch that would otherwise not have happened but I'm including it for the sake of keeping this complete. Very unlike but possible
- They have a framer that not only makes people appear red/green/whatever but makes people appear like the visited someone or didn't visit someone. With there not being any normal cops (or so it seems) but instead just trackers and watchers that'd be a necessary change to the role and has been done before. That being said and it certainly being possible I don't think the check on ExO_ is all that likely to be wrong even if it were to be the case. I simply don't see mafia not using it on Vivax yesterday. Either way Vivax would be town and you want to make him look like mafia or he's mafia and you want to make him look like he's not.
- And finally: Mafia just didn't think he'd check ExO and got multiple people to choose from to carry out the Nightkills. That means that for example mafia thought BM would target Vivax and thus choose to not use Vivax as a NK deliverer and were hoping to get a "Vivax didn't visit anyone yesterday" out of BM while using the less likely to be checked ones to actually deliver the kill
Anything I'm missing? I thought the third one makes it a little more likely for Vivax to be mafia at first but really the same is still true if Vivax is town. Either way I'd say #3 is the most likely scenario right now and think mafia did play high risk high reward here because again, they didn't and never looked like they had a say in anything starting from d1.
#2 sounds possible as well but I think that'd be a bit overkill with their already flipped roles being OP-VIG and Roleblocker. Not sure if a change to a GF that doesn't appear to visit someone while killing people has ever been done on this site so I left that one out but it would fall under the 2nd point as well.
Thoughts? What do you guys think does that make of Vivax? Because like I mentioned I'd say mafia assumed him to be checked last night.
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actually I revise some of what I said about #3 but I'll keep it to me for now. Wouldn't mind hearing other people thoughts about why they apprently aren't scared of BM at all.
Other options would be something like they're afraid of us still having a medic but with that guy already flipped it seems pretty unlikely. Should have included that one for completions sake as well though.
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On July 18 2014 07:41 slOosh wrote:
I voted wrong so I'm gonna fix it soon.
Exo who has been totally absent from the game is found visiting the dude who died. Let's keep it simple. He is probably the mafia who was sent.
if that was directed at me, yeah but that wasn't my point.
I was asking about what that makes of Vivax. ExO_ is as much a clear cut insta vote as you'll ever get.
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don't let hiro unvote though. He's shady as fuck and I'm happy we got him to vote to begin with. Only people who'll be around at deadline or at least will be active unvote 
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I'm working under the assumption that another ML is a loss but I'm not sure and there's n point in figuring that out until we know Alakaslam's alignment.
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voted for vivax. That means 1 more vote on him and we hammered
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On July 19 2014 00:05 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 02:26 Koshi wrote:
Imagine if there are 10 townies and 3 scum 1SK. If ExO_ and Alakaslam are town that means ALL remaining TOWN needs to vote together to lynch scum.
I think we are fucked. D: Yeah this is the type if thing, once I remembered I wasn't modkilled immediately after remembering this smurf I felt a responsibility to this game.
that being said, I was secretly hoping for you to be bulletproof SK and to get in a 1v1 with the last mafia.
That way he can't kill you at night, can't kill you during day because more than 1 votes needed and you'd kill him once the ban is off. And we'd just be sitting there waiting
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Ha
hahaha
so much for that no visiting and I even said that they should have expected vivax to be checked and thus have something like a framer or don't use vivax to carry out kills.
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On July 19 2014 03:34 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 04:12 Koshi wrote:
We need the SK to kill scum.
If there is no SK HiroPro slipped.
Anyway
lynch
Vivax
HiroPro
Vivax
ritoky
That order. Not sure where you are getting that, but I'm all aboard for lynching HiroPro tomorrow.
yeah. Remember the fact that Koshi, Forumite and I were kept alive so long and Koshi got shot only very recently and that I mentioned that mafia did that to hope for a Toad + Foru lylo were tunnel each other (okay, I'll admit probably more I tunnel foru than the other way around):
On July 17 2014 04:23 HiroPro wrote:
at this point I'd probably go like this. But I need to read.
Forumite
Vivax
exo
batsnacks
ritoky
toad/alakaslam
sloosh
bm/layabout
Also had the feeling that Hiro's vote on ExO_ came a lot easier than his vote on Vivax. That's pretty guts based but take it as it is. Could have been timezones but I really thought his vote on ExO_ was early.
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and yes it is quite boring when TI-stream is down
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I actually have that gif on my PC as well. Hayamin as tsundere :3
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