EPTA Fire Upon the Deep Mini Mafia
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instant majority is pretty uncommon here, not going to find many who have played it much. I think you should think for yourself rather than parrot others Alakaslam  | ||
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On June 29 2014 02:22 IAmRobik wrote: (I'm trying to draw a nk from mafia, thinking that I'm a PR when I'm actually just VT) sick plan bro. let's tell everyone so it doesn't work or will it? WIFOM FTW what is the point of saying this? -.- | ||
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On June 29 2014 04:35 Snickers wrote: Ok let's, if you did not understand this is the "weird" comment probably should let yourself get mod killed so you can be replaced. This excessive negativity is really not needed. And on a serious note, iml set up and two people already voting for me. This is going to be a long game as in tiresome. What does the bolded part mean? I literally don't understand. Also why so negative? Talking dismissively about town may be in vogue but is not constructive. | ||
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On June 29 2014 06:12 Alakaslam wrote: K So snickers also follow BH scum advice to me But come forth ye sinister in thy chuckling, simply explain yourself. What does any of this mean? What is the "BH scum advice"? Elaborating would be helpful, being cryptic not so much | ||
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On June 29 2014 08:24 Snickers wrote: If you were joking then w.e, I just think it is excessively negative to tell someone to let themself be modkilled if they don't see the thread in the exact same way that you do. Calling everyone bad who doesn't see eye to eye with you is both 1. not conducive to good town environment 2. douchey. but since you were joking, w.e. There are people who aren't joking when they say things like "god you are so fn terrible town would be better if you suicided", etc.Also ET I do not see how it is excessively negative, I could maybe see negative. I was joking first off. Yes there will be bad players in this game (my second game, first has not even ended but I am dead). If you could not see the only weird post above mine and I had to point it out for you...... hopefully this is your first game.... but wait that would be breaking the rules unless you talked to bh.... oh wait how many people actually read the rules... Simply put, I don't like how people often bash town, and in a game like this we are in the best position to subvert that to town advantage. I'm not trying to exclusively single you out, but it is a common thread in most mafia games. Yeah, in most games there are often townie lurkers. Yeah there are often townies who don't explain themself at all. But unlike 30man games where those kinds of things are nearly unavoidable, this is a 9 man game. There aren't many places for scum to hide. So, if we foster an environment where people feel at ease talking discussing sharing reads, it puts a lot more pressure on scum to act, perform. I do no think its in vogue. But why are you not complaining about slam being constructive? He does not explain a term but I have to quote..... already we are divided. Are you sure, I am not complaining about slam? pls read thread bettr lul | ||
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On June 30 2014 04:07 Snickers wrote: Stuff like that is a lot more rude than just joking around. First off it looks like you were complaining towards me and suggesting to slam about his play. Then the good old "read better" or "please read" or "go back and read". Subtle but rude as hell. As far as this BH advice. Lets not take his advice because his play is so misunderstood and annoying. I'm not sure why you're trying to be so divisive with me. we had the same exact opinion on slam's post I just thought it was pretty funny that you were unhappy I didn't comment slam's post when the direct previous post was me doing that | ||
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Posting list of reads isn't inherently scummy but I don't know why you said this On June 30 2014 18:17 MysteryMeat1 wrote: honestly, my reads were just very gut feeling, and i only posted them so that we could get some discussion on the matter. when you weren't really under much pressure. It's like you're trying to avoid ownership over them. That reticence is scummy to me. I also agree that him exclusing Snickers from the list calling him "nullreads on two randos who i don't know are in game" is pretty fn weird considering how much he was talking. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 | ||
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On July 01 2014 00:37 Snickers wrote: How has no one asked ET yet why he asked Chairman about MM's reads and no one else? That was what I thought was scummy. His question seems forced and not genuine. Even if I did not have "genuine" emotion that is not as bad as questions that are not "genuine". It seems like he just picked it out of the air. Chairman and MM know each other from playing weekly mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/460423-a-fire-upon-the-deep-mini-mafia?page=2#23 I did not pick it out of thin air. | ||
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Overall I find it to be distracting, but I think it is foolish to lynch a talkative person D1 rather than a lurky person D1. At LYLO, I would rather have a chatty Snickers alive to judge a whole filter against, as opposed to someone who has just a few one-liners the whole game. I don't support a lynch of Snickers atm. I thought it was odd that Chairman Ray had no problems with MM calling him town despite Chairman at the time having very little activity. At the time, Chairman had made 4 posts, in order being: Chairman Ray wrote: We should lynch someone before they even come on >=) Hey sorry I wasn't on today, got called into work >< Will be busy most of the day tomorrow as well hmm, looks like nothing's happened so far Let's not follow BH's advice this game >< All of which is just null (esp. since it was 24h in the game). The problem I'm having thinking through this is I'm not sure if MM looks bad for randomly calling Chairman town, or if Chairman looks bad for blindly accepting it. The reason why I'm fixating on this pair is because usually if you're playing with people you know, you focus on them since you know how they usually act/talk and have history to base your reads on. I find it very odd that they are hardly interacting despite Chairman saying that this would be "interesting" playing TL mafia with him/her for the first time. It's possible they are scum together; some classic traits are here. Not much interaction between each other, some support shown for each other, but not taking firm, hardline stands. It seems a bit too obvious though; would MM just up and call his scumbuddy town, if they were scum? That seems too nooby to be scum move, but it's possible if he is new. Overall, their whole exchange just seems off; it doesn't sound like two townies with a history to me. I was leaning for MM because of his last post and his high lurkiness, but I would be ok with lynching CR as well. | ||
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I find it funny that you consider my vote early when I placed it over 48hrs after the Day post. I will agree that your list generated discussion. Tehpoof inactivity is irritating. This is a 9 person game with only 5 pages of content (mostly short posts too). If you can't handle the activity shouldn't join that many games. | ||
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On July 01 2014 06:39 Chairman Ray wrote: Well, I'm not trying to pocket anyone. The people I'm leaning town on are Snickers, SnB, and ET, and I would prefer they don't get lynched. You basically just picked the most active people (minus Slam)... activity does not immediately = town who do you want to lynch? | ||
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Any other scum reads? In my eyes atm your vote is a throwaway vote | ||
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On July 01 2014 07:56 Snickers wrote: And et try to read my posts better. I never said his current vote(do not even know if he is voting ) is him following somebody else. ? This is what I said: On July 01 2014 06:54 EchelonTee wrote: Well that's just a bad case. Robik was the first to suggest Chairman Ray was buddying (the whole pockets thing). It is not true that he is voting someone without his own reason. I do not get the impression that he lacks interest in the game. I said your case is bad because you claimed Robik was pushing CR without having his own reasoning. I pointed out that he did have his own reasoning. I did not mention following at all. Are you not an English native speaker? | ||
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On July 01 2014 09:24 Chairman Ray wrote: Is your read on me because you think there's a lack of interaction between me and MM1? Do you have any other reasons for putting me on your lynch list? I didn't like this post at all. On July 01 2014 07:03 Chairman Ray wrote: I didn't pick my 3 because they were active. I have other reasons for them and I'm not gonna make a case for them unless we're thinking about lynching them. If I had to pick people to lynch, right now it would be between poofter and sinani. They have both been cruising by because nobody's on them, and there's no excuse to be this inactive when it's a 9 player game and barely anything is happening. I also wouldn't mind lynching slam. Your wording here is so. odd. "If I had to pick people to lynch"? This is Mafia! If you're town then of course you want to pick people to lynch. That's how town wins the game. Why the "If I had to"? The way you worded that seems very reluctant, like you don't really believe in your reads at all. That's scummy to me. I also feel like your case on Alakaslam is not good. On July 01 2014 10:23 Chairman Ray wrote: + Show Spoiler + I would like to vote Alakaslam This is one of his first posts: On June 29 2014 04:12 Alakaslam wrote: Fine What I can gather is last people to vote are likely scum hoping they can hammer a townie But they may know this so there is WIFOM Think before hammer we have this luxury of time. For now, I think SNB has the right idea snickers Instead of posting why he's voting snickers, Alakaslam is pre-emptively defending his fast voting by saying that scum are more likely to vote last. A town would justify a vote after they are under pressure for it. This is very scummy to me. On June 29 2014 15:35 Alakaslam wrote: When Blazinghand coached me as scum in a newbie game, he advised me to be a jerk I was "whut" He was "srs for example: tell (dude) to give his grandmother cunnilingus for he is nothing" I was "whut" He was "do it now" I was "whut" I lost. Snickers being catty, a jerk. A snicker is a sinister, mocking chuckle. I ask that he explain his pointing out a post is weird without saying which one it was, a la SNB's pointer. Now I will read this page y'all At the time, the reason why SnB voted snickers was because Snickers said a post was weird without indicating which one. Snickers made a sarcastic remark, and Alakaslam pushed him for it with the reasoning that BH coached him saying that being a jerk is a good strategy as scum. This is a pretty far-fetched reason to scumread someone and feels very forced. 1st you criticize Slam's early vote. Despite this being an IML setup, that doesn't change the fact that votes done very early are clearly just pressure votes, also known as the random voting stage. Basing a case off of that is ridiculous. 2nd you criticize the same vote, disregarding that Slam has long laid off from his pressure. It's just not a compelling case. | ||
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Though I suppose I deserve some flames for that English comment. I'll save more thoughts on playstyle for post game but your response is good enough for me. What do you think about Chairman? | ||
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On June 30 2014 05:10 MysteryMeat1 wrote: + Show Spoiler + i'm just gonna give some gut reads from reading through the thread. Top Town Robik Town: ChairmanRay EchelonTee sinani TopScum: StrongandBig Scum: AlakaSlam thePoofter nullreads on two randos who i don't know are in game. Strange how he calls you and himself(??) two randos. On June 30 2014 18:17 MysteryMeat1 wrote: honestly, my reads were just very gut feeling, and i only posted them so that we could get some discussion on the matter. This post feels super reluctant. Those posts are my reasoning. I have a strong gut feeling on the above post. That, plus the fact that he is lurky scummy makes me most happy with a lynch on him. | ||
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where are you tehpoof? it's been 1.5 hrs | ||
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On the small chance that I get killed (unlikely IMO since I was wrong on MM) I'll post quick quick thoughts my initial read on sinani was town because he is always super lurky; i thoght his early activity was more townie than usual, but since he faded off hard maybe i was wrong Im not sure on SnB. kind of suspicious tbh how he folded in to MM Slam I think is town. I would prolly look more at robik or tehpoof tomorrow | ||
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Could've been blue sniping, but I don't think so, his play didn't scream blue to me at least That leaves two scenarios in my eyes: 1. Robik's reads were dangerous for mafia, or 2. killing him sets up other people to look bad. Kind of WIFOM-y to figure out which is true but I'm going to look through his filter more carefully | ||
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these three posts by Robik During the day, he was first mainly on Chairman Ray. That seems to be his strongest read. He was oh Tehpoofter for a bit but that seemed mainly OMGUS. Not sure on that. In the night he goes on snickers hard. He seems to primarily advocate a snickers + CR team. I'll think about this more but it looks like we have another long day cycle ahead of us. I'm primarily curious how Tehpoof thinks about all this since he seemed pretty confident Robik was mafia. | ||
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I feel like I have nothing in this game I'm literally grasping at straws there is just not much to go on. resonates with me really well atm The problem with sinani is that he can be an easy mislynch when he plays ultra lurky. I'm not done going through his past games; his most recent games were all town. One of them he was mislynched D1 (world cup) with acitivity posting style sorta similar to this games. The other two (boardwalk, Order 66) he was a lot more active and more obvious town. Overall though I think he is scum, because his posting in this game is SUPER SPARSE and uncaring, even by the standards of htis low post game. One of my first games I remember being on his scum team and he was similarly super hyper lurky. | ||
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I'm voting sinani. it's possible he is bored townie but the extreme lurkyness can't be overlooked imo. In such a lurky game, scum being lurkster is a viable strat | ||
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that night post picture is sick | ||
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Town: Me Slam: I think Slam is town mostly from gut feeling / he seems to have genuine interest in trying to get town to talk. He could be a Mafia posing, which would not be too hard, but if he is scum we already lost. I dunno: Strongandbig: I’m pretty torn on SnB because he hasn’t done anything really suspicious and has helped organize votes and such, but something just feels off. I’ve played with SnB a few times iirc and I remember him being more active / organiz-y than this. However with such a slow game he can’t be solely blamed for that. Tehpoof: My initial read on Tehpoof was that he was scummy based on his active lurking D1. What I mean by active lurking is he was definitely around, but was doing a lot of 1 liners early on, eventually settling on Robik which was a lynch that was never going to happen. However his D2 seemed pretty genuine in his questioning. Once again, it would not be hard for scum to fake this so I don’t consider him auto townie. Also, though Robik was against him, my impression was that the main reason he didn't like tehpoof was because tehpoof was going after Robik. OMGUS essentially. I don't think that tehpoof pushing Robik automatically makes him scummy, town make mistakes. Scummy: Chairman Ray – Looking back at his D1 play I still think the way he talked was scummy. Robik thought he was scum. A good lynch IMO. Snickers – In his last game he had good reads but was abrasive about it. This game he is similarly abrasive but I don’t feel he has the same interest in formulating good reads. Another thing is our weird disagreements / his arguments with Robik. In my eyes there are two possibilities; Townie Snickers thinks about Mafia in a different way than I, so we simply don’t understand each other. Or, Scum Snickers jerks around town, using arguing with people as a way to be active without generating focused, useful content. His strange emotions coupled with what I think is less focused play than would be expected from town Snickers makes me think he is scum. Cases look weak? Well I don’t have much to go off on. But if someone gave me two bullets to decide the game, I would shoot CR and Snickers. | ||
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