Robik, you said you are okay lynching anybody besides yourself today, and you also just said that lynching someone is better than nobody. Why don't you vote on the sinani or mm wagon? There isn't enough people on to start a wagon on tehpoofter.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 01 2014 05:37 GMT

#228

On July 01 2014 14:34 strongandbig wrote:
As for you ray there is only you voting sinani. It's not a "wagon".

Swap over to meat. No lynch is not a good outcome.

Right, I didn't see snickers switch earlier

But I don't wanna vote MM1

We are #bros4lyfe

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 01 2014 05:56 GMT

#233

Wait, we don't get to see what he flips?

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 02 2014 22:52 GMT

#303

5 town 2 mafia left

That means 2 mislynches, or a mislynch and vig on town, we lose

Sinani has been pretty much afk this game. Doesn't make sense for him to sign up for a game, especially with 9 players, and not do anything.

From day 1, I find Snickers the most suspicious. I was initially reading him as eager town just because he was trying to be very detailed and drawing conclusions from very small and meaningless things. But then he votes Robik, and this was his reasoning:

On July 01 2014 06:52 Snickers wrote:
Well I am still at school so cannot post much. I am voting robik. He shows lack of interest in the game and is very willing to hop onto somebody that is already being voted without his own reason. He is talking about people afking but shit, he is practicality afking by posting such ambiguous stuff. Also mm is looking a lot more like bad town. Cannot quote because I am on phone. He wants to maybe lynch me because I'm a jerk. I think slam is a jerk but I am not going to vote him for only this reason. I would only vote him if I had an equal town read on Everyone which is close to impossible.Will clear up the other stuff in a few hours.

Do not be offended by the good town/bad town. Good scum/bad scum thing. I like people to know what I am thinking. Saying someone is town is way to vague. Just think how differently scum and town play, so do good and bad players. A bad town could look "more scummy" than a good scum.

Firstly, his reasoning doesn't make sense and isn't consistent with this play. Robik said on many occasions that he was busy and won't really be playing the first day, and just wants to lynch anybody. That explains perfectly why Robik doesn't seem too interested in the game and is willing to hop onto votes. Snickers is super active and should be aware of this. Even if Snickers missed, he has been looking really deeply into a lot of things, but his excuse for voting Robik is extremely shallow.

A while later, Robik is suddenly Snickers' town read

On July 01 2014 11:41 Snickers wrote:
Ok here is my list of reads so far.(sans the loathed adjective.) I think posts of reads are beneficial.
Et I need to look at him again (do not want anger blurring my vision). It is very weird that he said "hopefully" i will be back and then was back six hours before the lynch. What makes it even more weird, is that he was not being pressured by votes.
Iamrobik- Town- He was suggesting he was not going to post today but has posted good info. Maybe he meant relatively.
Slam-Town-nothing suspicious happening. He has had the same reasoning all game.
StrongNbig- Slight scum- he replied to someone "but his content is scummy" instead of trying to convince the person of his case.
Sinani Top scum read, has few posts, but why is that scummy? all of them were useless except for his the last one which is also the one he tacked a vote to. Very scummy to vote with your first actual post in the game. (StrongNBig was different because it was before things got developed).
ChairmanRay-scum-He did not talk about voting people until questioned by Et. Then he has 2-3 times of saying unfitting words.
MysteryMeat Slight scum- He has few posts, and also is wishy washy.
tehpoofter Town-He drove some conversation. Nothing suspicious.

Snickers says that Robik is town because he has been posting good info. I invite you all to look through Robik's filter between Snickers' scumread on Robik and Snickers' townread. Robik made no cases within that period, and the only thing he talked about is that he's willing to lynch anybody else. That's exactly why Snickers scumread him in the first place. What "good info" is Snickers even referring to? I think Snickers is just trying to pocket Robik.

Lastly, the nightkill on Robik makes sense if Snickers is mafia. The first vote that Snickers does on Robik doesn't show compelling reasons why Snickers thinks Robik is scum. I think Snickers just wants Robik dead. Later on he puts Robik as a town read and I can't find the reason why. If Snickers has already decided to nk Robik, this makes sense.

I'll be okay with lynching Snickers today, but right now, I think Sinani needs to start playing.

##vote: sinani

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 02 2014 23:16 GMT

#304

Oh yeah, and I'm guessing some people here (including me) won't be around on the 4th of July. Let's try to be active earlier on.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 03 2014 20:04 GMT

#321

Kay, good enough

##unvote

Between poofter and snickers, I'm still leaning towards snickers. This post:

On July 04 2014 01:33 Snickers wrote:
Also SnB dont vote me when i afk from this game all day two since thats what I did last game and I was town.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 03 2014 22:44 GMT

#327

On July 04 2014 05:42 Tehpoofter wrote:
On teh subject of ET did anyone ever say if his meta is heavily looking into night kills? His post at the start makes it seem like that but if its not could be mafia trying to setup a couple MLs. If he plays like this as town would be a good way to have someone that is fairly townie to look for to guide us.

I looked through ET's previous games, and I couldn't find him looking heavily into night kills. However one difference between those games and this one is that ET likes to analyze people's meta referencing previous games. He hasn't done that this game, but I don't know if he's played with any of us enough to have meta on us. Has anyone played a lot with ET before?

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 03 2014 23:18 GMT

#330

Good point. There really isn't much else to go off though. Half the players were playing on day 1, and now the other half are playing. I'm fine with just lynching Snickers if we can get a consolidation. I won't be around tomorrow. Any of you guys doing anything cool for 4th of July?

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 04 2014 04:46 GMT

#334

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

July 06 2014 11:18 GMT

#407

I think I figured it out. The two mafia are Strongandbig and Snickers.

Snickers is mafia for the cases I have already posted on him.

Strongandbig is mafia because on day 1, he played a very routine town, but since then he completely dropped off. The 4 posts that he made on day 2 show that he's here and reading the thread, but there is a complete difference in his day 1 play and day 2 play. He did not pressure anybody and he didn't make any reads. This is because everyone thought he was town on day 1. It is very scummy to stop being helpful after being given the town spotlight. I would vote SnB for this alone, but there's more.

Strongandbig spent the whole first day pushing onto Snickers, and posted many cases on why Snickers is scum. Afterwards Strongandbig encourages everyone to post multiple people they want to lynch. A lot of people wanted to lynch Snickers, and a lot of people wanted to lynch MM. However, despite Strongandbig having such a strong scumread on Snickers, he then posts this:

On July 01 2014 11:33 strongandbig wrote:
im down with the teetrain for now

playin some doto and dont really feel like trying to convince people to lynch snickers, plus i'm not sure enough on him to justify killing one of the most active people

##unvote
##vote: mysterymeat

That reason for voting MM is extremely scummy. SnB calls his own reads not good enough, which sounds like he's anticipating that people will scumread him for voting MM, so he's pre-emptively defending himself. The reason why SnB wanted everyone to post many people they were willing to consolidate on was so that he can look for a way to get the lynch off Snickers. After starting the consolidation thing, SnB didn't come back until after everyone else decided to consolidate on MM. SnB is clearly not trying to lead a town play.

On day 2, SnB says that poofter and Snickers are scum. He votes poofter because poofter benefited from Robik's death. SnB didn't post anything in regards to poofter's play or filter. SnB is really forcing a reason to vote poofter. SnB says he still wants to lynch Snickers, but doesn't do anything on day 2 to push snickers, or encourage anybody else to vote Snickers. Snickers is clearly getting some sort of special attention from SnB.

tl;dr
SnB is very helpful, everyone calls him town, then stops being helpful
SnB's strongest scumread is on Snickers, but finds a way to vote MM and poofter instead.

Strongandbig and Snickers are mafia together.