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It's been a while, Holy. What's up? | ||
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##vote Robik I will make my own rvs and none of yuou are invited. | ||
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##unvote robik ##vote obvious I don't think anything of kush. | ||
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On June 27 2014 13:44 ObviousOne wrote: You have zero thoughts at all regarding the alignment of Kush? No, I don't. | ||
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Look, I don't think anything about those people yet. Palmar is being Palmar and sinani has like 3 posts. If you're expecting some hyper valuable information this early, you're going to be disappointed. I don't have any. I can't formulate reads or thoughts off of nothing. | ||
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Also, let's lynch Vivax. | ||
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On June 27 2014 14:24 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not ready to call him mafia yet. He's got the propensity to be a superstar if he's town, I'd rather not get in his way just yet until I see what he's up to this game. You are all scum to me until I think otherwise Discrepancy. Got you, scum. | ||
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It's 4:30 AM and I'll post more when I wake up. | ||
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Tried to lynch him for it before, didn't work. I want to lynch between Vivax and Palmar. | ||
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On June 28 2014 00:49 kushm4sta wrote: Ew so anti town. Why do you want to lynch between them? I had an argument ready but I forgot what it was, I'll probably back it up when I remember. Also I don't get how this is anti town. | ||
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On June 28 2014 00:58 kushm4sta wrote: Cav It's anti town because you insult koshi. Being mean is anti town. @Koshi: <3 You want to lynch one of two people who are active and being pro town. That' anti town. I still don't get the reasoning behind the activity thing. I've thought it was garbage since forever since active players can just get a pass. You don't give any reasons. That's anti town. I told you I was going to give you some. The fuck. | ||
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##unvote ##vote iamrobik | ||
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On June 28 2014 02:42 IAmRobik wrote: There are a bunch of people who haven't unvoted yet, and I want to know what their thinking is, but I don't want to ask them. Koshi, can you ask Cava why he hasn't unvoted if he thinks you're town? Can you also ask Sinani why he's so fucking mafia? Are we not on speaking terms anymore? | ||
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On June 28 2014 02:47 IAmRobik wrote: I just want to pretend like I'm not the only one who thought of the OBVIOUS question that needed to be asked that no one asked. Did it though? Did it really? | ||
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On June 28 2014 03:03 IAmRobik wrote: Koshi just expressed disbelief in the fact that i believed that people actualyl believed that i was mafia. Meaning he thought people were joking. I TOO believed that people were joking (specifically sinani). However, even after I came out with my analysis of the situation, Sinani said "why should i care what you think of me, you're mafia." So clearly he's suggesting that he actually thought I scum slipped. The problem is that the post that he made that I quoted makes it seem like he voted me as a joke. So there is a huge discrepancy there. I don't get why you need me to explain my vote when you did it for me in this paragraph. ##unvote ##vote sinani | ||
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On June 28 2014 03:12 IAmRobik wrote: omg stop voting me im mafia No, Robik. I will never stop voting you. ##unvote ##vote robik | ||
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##unvote ##vote sinani | ||
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Who wants to make out? | ||
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I'm going to work and won't be back 'till later. | ||
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On June 28 2014 10:43 Tehpoofter wrote: I don't like this. Maybe I've just played too much with Robik but I feel like this is pretty obvious he wouldn't intentionally slip and is more likely to claim mafia as town. Robik I wanted to kill you but too much towniness and this dude still wants to kill you. ##unvote ##Vote Sinani206 I don't get your Robik read. Do you or don't you townread Robik? You're waffling on him in almost every post that I see and I don't understand where you're coming from. You're saying he's confirmed mafia off of stuff that isn't relevant, and then you turn around and townread him for "slipping?" I want you to explain your read in detail because the way you came to that conclusion doesn't really make sense. | ||
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On June 28 2014 11:28 Rainbows wrote: how do you forget that you wanted to lynch between the two players at the beginning of the game wut Interesting stuff happened. The only thing I don't like about Palmar is that he says he isn't playing but he totally is. Wtf. His filter looks okay/hilarious and I'll probably worry about that tomorrow. Vivax's filter feels like I'm staring into the sun. He's probably town but I really don't feel like reading all of that right now. Kush is scum though. | ||
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No, Poofter's post wasn't clearly explained as an evolving read. What in the actual fuck. Look at that and tell me that it made sense before he explained his meta, because it didn't. You can't townread someone for trolling and doing silly shit unless you actually have a good reason for doing so, because it certainly didn't look like Poofter was doing that. Seriously, go back and read your own filter and watch your argument collapse in on itself because you can't be assed to pay attention and actually read the thread. And no, those reads are not "wishy-washy." I just said they're both town. It's really not that hard to see. Oh wait, you're probably not going to do that. You're too busy making up reasons to make me look scummy. ##unvote ##vote kush | ||
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On June 28 2014 13:11 kushm4sta wrote: 1.^ those are really wishy washy town reads that you coudl change at your convenience. 2. it was pretty well explained that poofter scumread rob when he hadn;t finished reading the thread. then as he read the thread, the read turned into a town read. eh i take back my hard scumread of you ##unvote ##vote haru 1) Maybe I just didn't explain them enough? They felt solid to me at the time. Blegh, whatever, I have them both as town. 2) I don't really agree, but I don't think the fact that we don't agree is important. Just...let me post next time. >.> @Robik: Have you been lurking this entire time? | ||
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##unvote ##vote sinani | ||
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You never bothered explaining why haru was scum, so you just drop it when people question you on it? And why is exo scum? | ||
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Still don't get why people think I look bad. | ||
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I'll address them when I'm done. | ||
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Now that that's dealt with, I want to ask you why you're voting me with both of your scumreads. | ||
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On June 29 2014 03:40 Koshi wrote: Cavalinho. Make a giant wall of text with all your ideas. Show me your thoughts. Please trow all your ideas. Proof being town. Money time bro. Dealsies. | ||
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1) It's late. He simply had no way to insert himself into the game otherwise so he tried to latch on to an RVS that ended several pages ago. 2) It's forced. Jokes are good, but his joke was so awful and out there that I think he simply had no idea how to open. The post strikes me as a way of forcing himself into the thread. I don't like it. I don't get how people think it's towny. His case on Koshi was pretty bad, just some lazy post-by-post analysis followed up by an "oh I don't think anyone is scummy." There's a lack of consistence in his reads and I don't understand how people can go "oh, that's not so bad." I know people were harping on it for a while but I don't feel like it was ever addressed/answered properly. And then there's the issue of his read on me. He says he's okay with lynching me because I'm still harping on Robik being scum, while I am trying to sheep Robik on his case. His comment is incredibly opportunistic and he isn't even bothering to come up with a good excuse for trying to lynch me. I think a lot of people are being clouded by "omg cav so scummy" when stuff like this is happening. If we can't get a wagon on sinani going, we 100% lynch Haru today. sinani: His read on Robik is genuine garbage and I haven't seen a thing from him to make me think otherwise. Robik has a good case here and I think more people need to sheep him. His reasoning for unvoting/voting Robik is awful He's waffling on a lot of his reads, and mostly because people are telling him to. He's merely following thread sentiment and I don't think he cares much about who's getting lynched. It isn't even a matter of survival, he was doing this even back when Robik claimed scum. Another good lynch. Kush: I feel like I need more time to determine how I actually feel about kush. I think I'm letting my past of "omfg I'm getting lynched day 1" color my read and I think I'd like more time to sit down and actually sift through what he's trying to accomplish. His ExO vote was lulzy and opportunistic, though. Koshi: I've had you as town for a while, but your accusations don't really make much sense. You're voting me with both of your scumreads, and you're pushing me for sheeping someone because idk. Your filter looks okay aside from this, though. Please stop being silly. Rainbows: I can draw almost all of the parallels between Order and here. He is aggro in all of the right ways and showing doubt in the proper places. His tone is really good and he has made a number of good posts this game. Poofter: Another garbage read on Robik. When pressured, his reasoning behind it was...Okay. I guess. I simply haven't seen enough of him today. Definitely needs to step up his activity. His filter feels like a cliffhanger, with a question and without any conclusions being drawn. OO: I'm wary of this guy. His opening reminded me of NAN and now a bunch of people are coming in and making me look like an asshole. That mood post was kinda "eh," and struck me as filler, and his Palmar read is silly, even if I ultimately think it's correct. His filter looks decent though, and I want to see what Koshi/kush are thinking in regards to him. ExO: This is nothing more than a gut read. I don't like how people are pushing him as a lynch while he isn't even playing the game. The dude is nothing more than lynchbait, and we should probably try to lynch a scummy person today instead. He can step up his play later or get replaced and then we have more information to work with. I haven't even finished my reads list, and I checked back and more people are voting me. Wtf... | ||
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I will be shocked if I get lynched over you. | ||
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I'm not even done with my reads list yet. I'm stopping to make food and then I'll post my reads on Vivax/Robik/Palmar. | ||
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Killing me would be dumb. | ||
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I'm a cop. | ||
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On June 29 2014 05:25 Vivax wrote: So Cava why have you been playing so much like ass up to this point when usually you should feel like somebody really important as blue. I never value my role over my analysis. I've never been bluesniped because of it. I have, however, been lynched/near lynched several times. -.-; | ||
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Thanks guys. | ||
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On June 30 2014 07:15 HaruRH wrote: Sure robik. You can be anything you want. Are you allergic to blueclaims or what? | ||
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Yeah, I gathered. | ||
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Thank you for not basing your thoughts on actual things. Again. | ||
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Palmar is dead. There were two deaths. Robik claimed to have shot him. Robik is now confirmed town. | ||
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Not like I can forsee how dumb this conversation is going to be. Somebody ping me when this gets less derpy. | ||
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On June 30 2014 07:48 kushm4sta wrote: haru say cav flips scum. who next and why? I'm the cop. Stop that. | ||
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Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? | ||
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On June 30 2014 08:09 Tehpoofter wrote: Just played a game where HF as mafia claimed a RB day 1 as mafia after they RBd someone else so like sorry for not instantly believing you. (Though to be fair I feel like HF is more likely to do this than you as mafia) I am the cop; of course I am going to be roleblocked/shot. This is not even close to the same thing. Holyflare didn't claim a role and wound up roleblocking/killing a claimed vigilante who flipped green. Also I hate apologies. | ||
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You were out of the game for almost the entirety of the lynch period/night sequence and I have no idea how to read you. | ||
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On June 30 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote: cava isn't cop btw. but we can leave him alive for a bit longer Look, the people doubting me here need to fucking stop. I just had my role outed and was nearly lynched for the third time in a row. I just lost all of my checks and I'm a likely mislynch at some point because I had a shitty day 1. I can take responsibility for playing as badly as I did, but I've played my hand and the fact that people can doubt me at this point is ridiculous. I am the cop, and I'm uncc'd. The reason for that is, shockingly, because I am actually the cop. Also, since I'm making a giant post, I might as well map out what we're doing today: We're not lynching anyone on sinani. We find the scum hiding on my bandwagon from yesterday. We lynch them. My wagon yesterday was so obviously scum-driven that it pains me to listen to people make me out as mafia. Everytime I disappeared, people just went nuts and I couldn't deal with the fallout. I'd like someone to sit down and give me one, one good reason as to why we shouldn't believe me. I'm going to have a bunch of questions ready for people to answer as soon as I can, but I'm not leaving until we squash this shit right here and now. | ||
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Why are you not playing catch up with the thread when I specifically asked you to? | ||
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On June 30 2014 08:36 Tehpoofter wrote: Why do you think no scum were on the lynch of the town? Wouldn't scum be more likely to believe your claim and push for someone else so they look super smart when/if you flip cop? That was a TvT cross. Scum could do whatever the fuck it wanted because they had nothing at stake. If/when I flip cop, nobody will even care because I played poorly and had everyone jumping on me at once. We can deal with the sinani lynch later, but I want someone on my wagon today. Also kush better be the fucking vigi. All that stupid wifom stuff he was using to push me was ridiculous. Vivax is scummy too and I'll deal with him when I can. | ||
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On June 30 2014 08:53 ExO_ wrote: Forget Cavalinho, Robik is all over the place. Silly fake claims, says palmar is town and he shot him. Just generally trying to look like somebody fucking around. Only I think that's exactly it. He's trying to look like he's a townie messing around. He's scum in town's clothing...or more like scum dressed like a town trying to dress like fake scum. Whatever it is, he's cross dressing up a storm. ##Lynch Robik Possibly. His play isn't entirely congruent, so there could be something here. We aren't lynching Robik today though. The people on the sinani wagon should be like confirmed town to you right now. Focus on the people on my wagon. | ||
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I actually touched on this a bit already. The sinani wagon might have been wrong, but the lynch was conducted for decent reasons. Most of those people are paying attention or have a natural progression of reads, and I simply don't see the point in lynching any of them today. (Depending on what Poofter comes up with, ofc.) My wagon, however, was based on wifom, hypotheticals, and shitting on my thought process because idk. I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it, but we'll see what people were thinking when we get there. | ||
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On June 30 2014 09:03 Rainbows wrote: kushm4sta, ObviousOne, HaruRH, Vivax This is a fucking retarded list to lynch into. Everyone I didn't list is either confirmed town or myself. And kush is probably the vigi. Nope. lol. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Haru wasn't on my lynch because he was actually paying attention and being rational. If kush is actually the vig then holy shit what is he doing. That leaves Vivax, OO, and...you. So let's start: Why did you vote me? | ||
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On June 30 2014 09:14 ExO_ wrote: Good God, in one hand you claim self preservation, in the other you claim I'm trying to get myself lynched. Which is it? I'm just a Vanilla townie, if I honestly seem like I have a mafia role to the majority of the town, then I think there's little hope for this game. There's no chance of you getting lynched today. What's the problem? | ||
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On June 30 2014 09:15 Rainbows wrote: Oh, I accidently put haru on the list. I voted you because both you and Sinani were scummy as hell, and I didn't care which I lynched because day 1. Scummy fucks are scummy. Then you cop claimed near the EoD. Didn't smell correct. It was a smelly smell that smelled, SMELLY. Your reads on palmar and vivax made no sense when you originally wanted to lynch between them on day 1. So tell me, why shouldn't I have voted you? See, this is the issue I have. What's wrong with my cop claim? Am I supposed to retroactively go back and make it better somehow? I gave you my role pm, this should be a non-issue for you. And I said I liked their filters. Twice. I even went back and clarified it. Base your reads on things that are actually happening, thanks. | ||
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On June 30 2014 09:18 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote cavalinho There is absolutely no reasoning with you. | ||
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On June 30 2014 09:27 Rainbows wrote: Give me one reason to lynch Vivax over you. One. Reason. Why is it that you think I want Vivax specifically? I've been saying almost all game that I thought he was towny. Why is there no mention of OO in this post? Are you trying to protect your scumbuddy? | ||
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You're nitpicking and it's becoming quite annoying. | ||
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On June 30 2014 10:00 Rainbows wrote: How is that nitpicking? You don't even mention lynching OO anywhere. Day 2, you literally mention lynching people on your wagon and namedrop Vivax as scummy. You don't specifically mention that OO is scummy, though. You promised that you would get to Vivax when you could. You say that we need to lynch someone from your wagon. Convince me to lynch Vivax, convince me to lynch OO. Go ahead and try. I have to run and errand, but I'll be back ASAP with my thoughts on those two players. Also I think it's hilarious that you think that I was omitting OO for any reason. He is on my bandwagon for bad reasons; ergo, he is someone I could stand to lynch today. | ||
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On July 01 2014 01:09 IAmRobik wrote: Yeah, I don't know. I don't agree with him. I don't know the exact timeline of events (i didn't realize day was coming to a close so soon), but people were turning on cav, and if cav is cop and he feels his lynch is a certainty, then obviously he should claim to save town the mislynch. I just feel like he did what I (and other people) often do in video mafia AS MAFIA, where they will soft a role before actually coming out with it. From his previous games, he never did anything of this sort, so the fact that he softed first makes me feel sketchier about the claim. As for how it relates to banks, I don't know. I have not, nor am I willing to yet, formulate an opinion of banks. Provide quotes and scholarly sources. | ||
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On July 01 2014 00:57 Vivax wrote: I've seen it too often. Lazy D1 scum, posts huge post to calm the waters, when it doesn't work he fakeclaims. OO, up until now I've taken your advice on whether or not Vivax was actually a good analyst. His day 1 was pretty good, but his day 2 filter thus far has been nothing more than mediocre. If all he can do is attempt to characterize my play, despite playing with me several times and knowing that this has happened before, then color me unimpressed. | ||
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*A read where I'm the cop or mafia, which doesn't say anything. *A read where you think I'm actually real. *Your very next post, which includes me in your list of mafia suspects, despite saying you thought I was real not even a post ago. Give me a read, and be straight with me. I want to know what you think. | ||
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1) Why do you keep thinking I'm scum? 2) Why do you keep characterizing my play? 3) Why is it that you have reasons not to vote me in your filter, in yet you vote me anyway? | ||
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On July 01 2014 13:05 ObviousOne wrote: Yeah I'm disappointed he's not carrying me right now =\ Do you think I should put HaruRH in my town category? I'm trying to give myself some fresh perspective on the game thus far. I've already tried to lay out my plan for today and I don't think Haru is really someone I'm considering because of it. It's a dodgy, roundabout way of townreading him, but I really don't know. I'll probably get back to you at some point. When's the next time you'll be on? | ||
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Like he's not even trying to justify his vote and I don't see any reason to believe he's town because of it. I will absolutely lynch Haru if Vivax gives me some decent answers. | ||
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##vote Haru Vivax is still answering my questions whether he likes it or not. | ||
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I'm around, but I'll be making my big important posts in about 30 minutes or so. I need to take another look at what Robik was saying but the last time I looked it wasn't very convincing. I don't want to lynch mderg. | ||
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On July 02 2014 05:03 Vivax wrote: Cava this is bullshit you can't start playing properly just before deadline every day and then wonder why people think you're scum. You want everyone to change his mind and consider your perspective 30 min before lynch and hope that goes well? Yeaaaaah right. A lot of people are moving away from Haru and you, Exo and Poofter aren't getting close to lynching me. What you all have in common is that you don't even keep trying. Influence is being stripped from your hands but you only intervene in that in an half-assed way. Excuse me? I was playing properly and asking questions and developing reads multiple times today. Like you're cramming words down my throat every time I come on in some vain attempt to convince yourself that I'm scum. Also, I took a look at Robik's case, and it's awful. Talk about picking the low hanging fruit. Haru is far and away the better lynch and I already told you why I thought that. I've been pushing Haru since day 1, and most people are trying to keep him alive because association reads and a bunch of other stupid things that don't make sense. Vivax, I honestly hope this is your scum play, because if this is what you're like when you're town, then I'm disappointed. | ||
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Also I love how you think I need to change everyone's minds when the wagons are practically even, and I need maybe one or two votes. How asinine. We are not lynching mderg. The people that are on mderg are either mafia or bad. That entire case is based on associative tells and attacking a player that isn't even around. This is why we've been missing. Get the fuck on Haru. | ||
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On July 02 2014 05:15 Vivax wrote: I posted stuff about Haru, kush tried his best to persuade me he's not scum, I have to acknowledge that it's a possible version of events, and where are you in all this discussion about your top scumread? Participate now and not in fucking 30 min when you will drop another longish read list. I am participating right now. I am pushing my scumread and trying to save my townread. What part of this are you not getting? Furthermore, for a guy that's complaining me not participating, you sure do have a useless vote lined up. Good job. | ||
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On July 02 2014 05:18 mderg wrote: Just got home, can anyone summarize why you want to lynch cav now? Robik was just trying to lynch you for reasons that don't exist. I have no idea what he's doing now but I've pretty much shut him out completely. | ||
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Robik was just trying to lynch you for reasons that don't exist. | ||
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On July 02 2014 05:21 Vivax wrote: Dude, I posted reasons for why mderg was scummy D1, Robik posted them for today. Now little challenge, tell me what mderg's read on Robik is without asking him. Null, probably leaning scum at this point. | ||
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On July 02 2014 05:26 mderg wrote: It was null at the start of D2 but I´m heavily leaning scum on him. Robik is full of shit. Give us the progression of your read on Robik. | ||
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Explain the slip? | ||
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On July 02 2014 05:32 IAmRobik wrote: Cause a Cava lynch is really shady for mafia to jump onto. Hell, it's tough for me to start it because I don't know if he's cop or mafia, but i really raelly think that he's mafia right now because he's being super fucking shady [i]Why? Why am I shady?[i] Nobody fucking follows my reads and then says I'm shady because I'm not playing. Are we just disregarding every single thing I say this game? | ||
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Also, mderg, clarify the stupid shit. Some of the stuff he just quoted is actually kind of damning and I really need to you to be towny right now. | ||
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I've played with him before and he said some silly shit and wound up flipping town. As mafia, I think he would be held on a much tighter leash so people wouldn't pick him out of the crowd as easily. Idk if that's even a good read at this point though... | ||
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On July 02 2014 05:43 IAmRobik wrote: YOU PROMISED WHAT WOULD AMOUNT TO SOME SUPER POST IN 30 MINUTES. NOW YOU'RE CLAIMING THAT YOU JUST MEANT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE ACTIVE? KILL THIS SCUM AT SOME POINT Sigh. I don't see how changing my post idea makes me scum. At all. | ||
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On July 02 2014 05:48 mderg wrote: town should be able to do that by themselves. It´s not like there´s been an abundance of defenders for me. I don´t think Exo is trying to profit from it because he was spot on about my last minute vote switch, not impossible, though. Cav is more likely to do that because he didn´t completely know why I made my reads and is now slowly trying to scumread me. I am actively trying to defend you you dingus. | ||
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I need time to mull. | ||
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A bunch of people have suggested mass claiming tomorrow, and I agree. However, we are not posting role pms. If you're a protective role, you claim VT and only counterclaim someone if they're getting lynched and claim your role. This way, if we hit a mafia claiming VT, we still have a hidden PR that can keep me safe. The only time you should post your role PM is in the event of a counterclaim. Also, if there is a JK that's doing the roleblocking, maybe you save me tonight, maybe you don't. Idk. | ||
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No we aren't. | ||
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On July 03 2014 06:08 ObviousOne wrote: ##vote HaruRH maybe today? He should have died yesterday. The mderg lynch was a joke. Everyone get the fuck on Haru. ##vote Haru | ||
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On July 03 2014 06:29 ObviousOne wrote: idk yet im asking myself right now, would kush try to clear robik in order to have someone to shoot? probably not im asking myself right now, would vivax say he was thinking about medic protection and then not be a major part of discussion for most of the day? sounds possible exo talking a lot of sense to me, i'm taking him out of my POE scum list so it's down to haru/vivax and then someone out of poof/cav in my book, either of the first two is fine with me if people prefer vivax today How do you have only one of haru/vivax? Vivax's actions yesterday were pretty ridiculous. I'm still baffled as to why he was accusing me of trying to save mderg for towncred while he was voting to lynch mderg. If that's not a scumslip, I don't know what is. And that's not even going into Haru's filter. The dude even fucked right off once his ass wasn't on the line anymore. If we don't lynch either of these people I will be very upset. Also your second set of reads is rather mediocre. Poofter is likely town. | ||
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On July 03 2014 06:36 Vivax wrote: You only presented some half assed shit on D2 about my activity which at this point is entirely unwarranted and would be hypocritical for you to pursue given your absence at deadline. No. You said I was scum for trying to "cash in" on the mderg lynch and then called bullshit when I "wasn't active." I was more active than you were and trying to call me out for that is bullshit. | ||
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On July 03 2014 06:44 ExO_ wrote: not that my opinion of you will change at this point, but is this anything but an OMGUS? Don't think about it or you'll see the plot holes. | ||
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On July 03 2014 06:50 Vivax wrote: Have you played with the thought that mafia is more likely to believe your claim, as 2 dead townies who didn't are the sample size for that reaction? If you believe rainbows is town you can add another one on top. Huh? | ||
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I don't understand why town wouldn't believe my claim, wtf. | ||
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I just don't understand why you would go through the trouble of making me look bad all game, just to up and do a 360 and townread me for some reason. Is there something I missed? | ||
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On July 03 2014 06:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Robik wasn't just reluctant he straight up said "Cav isn't the cop" he went so far as to CC him as cop during the resolution period. Yeah, but Robik basically fucked around and lynched people he hated all game. Too bad, town would've done well with a copvigimedic with three votes. I don't put much stock into what he was saying aside from the fact that he didn't like me. | ||
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On July 03 2014 07:03 ObviousOne wrote: im town and i believe his claim even though i think he forgot to say he was roleblocked last night The host doesn't tell you if you were roleblocked. -.-; | ||
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On July 03 2014 07:07 ObviousOne wrote: wouldn't not having a check be a result of roleblocked if you're the cop? Obviously? Idk, my mind sort of glossed over the fact that I didn't even have my check. I've been disregarding my checks the whole time since I just assumed I just wouldn't have them anymore. | ||
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Either the jailer ignored my advice or they have a roleblocker. Probably the latter. | ||
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You. Also I just went to go make a sandwich. Cool your jets. | ||
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On July 03 2014 07:25 Vivax wrote: But you just said you sent me in. Me. You had two actions to send in. If you didn't scumread me before D2 then why did you send me in N1? Jesus, do you understand it now? Oh. I sent kush in n1. You were my n2 check. | ||
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I even mapped out what I wanted to accomplish on day 2 and nobody listened to me. Not my fault he acted superscum on day 2 and made me change my mind. | ||
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If I'm remembering correctly, Vivax was basing his entire read off of Haru voting because of a scumslip. The problem is that kush, as a vigilante in a 13 person game with only 1 kp, cannot possibly scumslip. It's a bullshit read that doesn't make any sense, and it sounded like he was lined up to come to the exact opposite conclusion. I'm going to take a shower and catch up when I'm done, but that case really doesn't hold any water. | ||
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Rofl, okay. Ignoring that shit. | ||
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Kush, Poofter isn't getting lynched today. Or ever. If you want someone to get lynched, I'd suggest you explain to me why OO is mafia because I don't see it at all. | ||
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And basically for everything he's done this game. | ||
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On July 03 2014 13:34 Vivax wrote: I'm calling it. Cava is just an exceptionally bad scum player who had the luck to fakeclaim cop in a setup where town doesnt have one. At this point I'm really hoping you flip town just so I can bitch at you in post. | ||
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On July 03 2014 13:37 Vivax wrote: YOu didn't adress or understand what I said in my massive post where I show how you skip on the entire reasoning you started D2 with to go after Haru. Instead you post something about me reading Haru for scumreading kush based on that. I understood it. I said that Haru came up with a nonexistant reason for voting someone that was confirmed town. | ||
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Like I'm such an easy mislynch for him and he knows that it's really easy. | ||
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On July 03 2014 13:46 Vivax wrote: Dude it was like N1 where OO didnt even have to push you. When Haru let you go after pushing you all day it was before deadline, cause Koshi told him to. How can you apply that reasoning to OO but not to Haru who did indeed save your life. Because Haru continued to push me for the rest of forever while OO dropped it when I started making good posts. OO's reads make sense and Haru's don't. The only reason I would even consider voting OO today would be because of his scumread on you which came out of fucking nowhere. | ||
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On July 03 2014 13:47 Vivax wrote: Did you just see the votecount I posted? Currently your view of the game implies that you're acknowledging ALL OF SCUM WERE ON SINANI. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE IF YOU'RE REALLY A TOWN DETECTIVE You were the one that implied it earlier. Guess that makes me an idiot. | ||
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Tbh, I'm never too thrilled to communicate with you. You've always scumread me for the worst reasons and you practically berated me all the way out of Cultured even after I claimed. I don't really care all that much if you get annoyed trying to ask me questions. | ||
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Dur. And don't think for a second that I've dropped my scumread on you. | ||
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I was under the impression that it was impossible for kush to be mafia for that reason, fuck his posts. | ||
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Do scumvigis count towards kp or not? If they can kill things, then I assumed that they did, and that there was no way kush could be a scumvigi because that increases mafia's kp. Is that or is that not how it works? | ||
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On July 03 2014 14:25 Vivax wrote: I know that's a tough task to explain why scum didn't want to kill claimed cop except for me, but that's the road of logical fallacies you've manoeuvred yourself into. Or why people keep dying who wanted to lynch the claimed cop. You would think that's what mafia wanted. I'm pretty sure those people died because they were universally townread. Name a single person here that everyone considers town. | ||
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This is the most retarded conversation in the world. | ||
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So you're still wrong. | ||
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The issue is that you're turning around and telling me that my read on haru doesn't make sense given my thought process, and it does. That still doesn't make his filter less terrible and that still doesn't erase the fact that he fucked right off after his ass wasn't on the line anymore during day 2. | ||
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On July 03 2014 14:50 Vivax wrote: And the reason I'm attacking the way you made your read on Haru is that he was the turning point where you threw the reasoning away that scum was driving your wagon D1, cause he was actually 1 of the guys who saved you, sadly. You're acting like all of my scumreads absolutely HAVE to be on that wagon, and they didn't. My reads can evolve, but for some reason you're acting like they can't. | ||
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Unfortunately for this ultra-enlightening conversation, I'm going to bed. We'll probably continue this at some point, I guess. Sigh. | ||
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What's going on? | ||
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Work took longer than expected so I'm out of the loop. Give me some time to catch up. | ||
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Take a look at the people you've scumread over the course of the game: Me, who has had thread sentiment against him since day 1. Mderg, who is generally very clumsy as town and was busy for the majority of that day. Poofter, who wasn't here for half the game. Exo, who is new. Do you or do you not see the problem with these scumreads? | ||
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I'm calling you an easy lynch. So yes. | ||
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On July 04 2014 13:52 Tehpoofter wrote: Hes mafia cav thats why he is going for the easy lynches hes lucky kush is trying to throw or he would be in a really hard spot but kush thinks its me so we probably lose. Vote Vivax with me maybe we can get a majority before mafia gets one on me. I'm giving him a townread for the moment to see if his point of view makes sense. Also, stop posting run on sentences for the love of all things. | ||
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On July 04 2014 13:57 Vivax wrote: I see the problem that you're judging them purely based on an hypothetical skill level or thread sentiment or activity instead of judging them based on their posts, like I'm doing. With that logic you use I shouldn't even be looking at them, cause they're "weak". Unless you can give me a good reason for each of these people being town, then your post right now is confirmed scummy bullshit. Mderg is clumsy as town, so he can't be scummy. Poofter wasn't here for half the game, so he can't be scummy. Exo is new, he can't be scummy. You played like ass D1 and most thought that way too, so you can't be scummy. - Cav, 2014 The issue isn't "these people can't be scummy," the issue is "these people are all ridiculously easy lynches." This doesn't make them town; what I'm trying to get you to do is the whole "imaginary townread" thing you made other players do. Unless ofc it doesn't count because none of that shit actually applies to you because idk. | ||
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And I'm just going to leave it at that because I don't like where this conversation is going. | ||
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On July 04 2014 14:11 Vivax wrote: Why are you calling them easy lynches in the first place? Do you not understand the concept? | ||
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I'll get back to you. | ||
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I literally just said that I gave you a townread trying to understand where you were coming from. You did this with ExO and I felt as if I should do the same. I wasn't trying to use this to conclude that you were red at all, I was trying to see where you stood on these people and if you would be able to consider looking at different players. Because I don't see Poofter as mafia, and I don't see ExO as mafia. Don't try to turn this into a "you vs me" war, because I'm not trying to do that at all. If you're just going to use every single conversation we have as a reason to paint me as scum, then I believe that we're done here. | ||
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On July 05 2014 01:18 kushm4sta wrote: Tomorrow we lynch the imposter pr. Why are you so certain one is fake? | ||
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So what would you define as crazy prs then? | ||
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Does scumvigi/rb/either janitor or godfather sound like a possibility? | ||
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I think you just messed up. | ||
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On July 05 2014 03:56 kushm4sta wrote: im asking cav actually. cause ya know he's the one who said it Honestly, I'd explain it but I can't even be assed at this point. Nobody is listening to me and all of the voters are gone despite it being EoD. If the circumstances don't prove that Poofter is town, I don't know what will. Honestly, it probably doesn't even matter at this point. If we're going to lose, might as well do it today. ##unvote ##vote tehpoofter Rofl, I'm not even going to be around because I have to work. Whatever, idc. | ||
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On July 05 2014 05:29 kushm4sta wrote: @cav that vote is going to do nothing go back to poofter to prevent scum shenanies. this is mylo so do it. I thought you thought I was scum. | ||
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##vote poofter 'Kay. At least I have an excuse for not paying attention anymore. Bye. | ||
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On July 05 2014 05:42 ExO_ wrote: If there was a mafia vigi and we only had 2 blue, isn't that wildly imba for mafia? Not if town has a doc/cop setup. The only reason we got screwed so early is because I played like shit and I had to claim to save myself. | ||
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On July 05 2014 05:46 ExO_ wrote: isn't that how that works though? Cop claims early, doc stays hidden and protects, and we follow your lead? Not necessarily. Scum had a roleblocker, so I didn't have my checks. And basically everybody thought I was scum all game, so whatever. Nobody really gave a shit what I thought. | ||
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On July 05 2014 05:48 ExO_ wrote: Wait a sec, we had 3 blue claims Kush claiming vigi Cav claiming cop OO claiming doc If we had a cop/doc setup there's no way we'd have a vigi too right? For all we know, we could have all three. It's a closed setup. | ||
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##vote haru Still comfortable moving my vote here instead. There's no resistance to this lynch and the people who spearheaded it aren't even here to follow up. Poofter, if you want to live, I suggest you sheep me. | ||
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Bye. | ||
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##vote poofter What can I say? Kush knows the way to a man's heart. I'm leaving for real now though. | ||
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Also, I changed up my check tonight in case I actually get one. Dnu. I've been wrong a lot this game, so I just looked at things from a different angle. | ||
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On July 06 2014 05:21 Vivax wrote: Another thing that is recent is kush's case. HE writes that essay on rainbows and Cavs skips it to ask cush why he thinks cav is scum. No interest whatsoever into commenting on rainbows even tho Cav has been here. I'm checking Rainbows tonight. | ||
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On July 06 2014 05:25 Vivax wrote: You have to assume you're gonna get rbd, so I don't see why you still don't try to figure him out when presented with arguments. I'm heading off to work in about 10 minutes. If my check somehow manages to go through, then great. If not, hopefully I'll still be here so I can filter dive him when I get back. | ||
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Rainbows is [g]town[/g]. I'll post thoughts in the morning. | ||
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Why are people still hung up on the idea that a blue is fake? For all we know, both of us could be real. I know I'm real, and I've thought OO was town for a really long time. I don't get it. | ||
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I don't know who the other is, and I'm not going to pretend to know. | ||
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I guess I'll filter dive ExO then. | ||
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Didn't you say that there can't be an exo/haru team? If I claimed these as my scumreads, I don't think they would make sense as a whole. | ||
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Stop pls. Thanks. | ||
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On July 07 2014 14:04 Rainbows wrote: I said it could be possible, but it's far more unlikely than it is likely. If you really think OO or vivax aren't the match, then they must be the glove to fit huh? Only technically. I'm reading through Haru's stuff, and I don't get his mylo vote or his scumreads. He votes Poofter while stating that he wants to lynch basically everyone else, and refuses to elaborate on why OO is scum despite having me as his top scumread for basically forever. The dude has completely dropped off and I have no idea how to even move on On the flip side, ExO made a giant post that Poofter basically up and agreed with, despite not actually reading it or the pages before it. Does that sound like the interaction a scumteam would have? | ||
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Basically I meant to point out that Haru has completely dropped off and fits the whole "ExO is really demotivated" thing, except better because he actually stopped playing. Then there's the "I don't actually want to lynch Poofter" vote, etc. I see a Haru/Poofter team better than an ExO/Poofter team. | ||
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##vote haru If it gets close to deadline, I'll change it because he might just get modkilled anyway. | ||
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On July 07 2014 14:22 Rainbows wrote: Cav don't vote haru. Either you or ExO dies today. and if haru gets modkilled thats a bonus. So guess where I want your vote. Too late, I'm para'd. My vote is stuck. Also if Haru comes in and does a thing just to dodge a modkill we are lynching the shit out of him. | ||
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It reminded me of a couple other games I played here, where the exact same thing happened and nobody thought anything of it. Guess Poofter was just a sinking ship. | ||
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Can someone remind like ten thousand more times? | ||
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On July 07 2014 15:13 ObviousOne wrote: doesnt matter he's getting modkilled unless he goes full miracle No, it does matter. Why do people think he's town? | ||
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I feel like people are keeping me from going in the basement. You ever play Half-Life 2? "We don't go to Ravenholm," or something like that. That's what this feels like. | ||
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Haru is still getting away with the bare minimum and people still want me over him. This is a joke. | ||
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I guess that just kinda happened at some point and we're all supposed to roll with it. | ||
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Seriously, lynch Haru. This should be a nonissue. Haru has completely fallen off/has a shitfilter in yet we've all townread him for 0 reasons. | ||
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Every single player in the game has done this. Though it would be fun to note that Poofter expressly called me real during day 2. | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:39 Rainbows wrote: Cav, he was never open for you're lynch. Yes he fucking was. He said so multiple times. Did you even bother to look through his filter? | ||
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The dude is lying about things that are being said in game. Why should I trust him now? | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:47 Rainbows wrote: Just because he said he was, never meant he was. How many times did he really question or push you? Did he ever vote for you? Day 2 he said: "Right now I'm on the Cav is actually the cop boat because a) He's claimed day 1 before as cop so its in his range b) No one is CCing after a night of checks which would be really good for town to have a basically confirmed mafia and another check." And he voted away from you day 1. Doesn't seem like he ever wanted to lynch you to me. I think that Mderg and Exo are very unlikely to be scum together from the way things have played out. I think a scum team is something along the lines of Mderg or Exo/Vivax/Cav/Haru I feel like everyone else is townie. I think he's probably the cop but yeah lylo time is Cav dead time. ??? | ||
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Where is like Haru/OO/Cav??? We just the town cutting each others legs off while scum afk? (lawls I've been afk like half the game) | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:56 Rainbows wrote: So he just threw your name in with a bunch of other guys and implied the group was scum. So where is he pushing for your lynch again? Where was anyone pushing for my lynch yesterday? | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:58 Vivax wrote: I think it's pointless to look at Poofter to determine if Cav is scum. YOu need to look at Cav himself. No it's fine though. That's exactly why we have Haru as town. Dur. | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:59 Rainbows wrote: ExO and Poofter both explicitly said they believed your claim? What does ExO have to do with anything? And what's wrong with these two believing my claim? | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:00 Vivax wrote: Cav, here's this: From my perspective, up until the point TP flipped it looked like the three of you, Exo, Poofter were the guys pushing for my lynch. And you were the only ones. Now the tough part is identifying which one of you did that based on legit formed, but bad reasoning. Poofter was mafia, so fuck him because he doesn't matter anymore. My reasoning was that most of what you called me out for during every single part of the game beforehand was bullshit and really frustrated me. I thought your OO vote was awful and I started really thinking you were scum when you started trying to goad people into modkilling themselves. I hated the way you handled the mderg lynch because you refused to let me make a case to save him and then accused me of trying to profit off of it. I thought it was bullshit. Seriously, if we had just lynched Haru then we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. In hindsight, the way you (and OO) put the Poofter case together gave me town feels. Frankly, the way you handled the majority of the pressure yesterday makes me think you're town. I'd quote posts, but there's just way too much material and I'll be really shocked if you're scum here after that showing. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:11 Vivax wrote: Then why Haru over Exo first, they are the only possible scum you 're left with if you trust your check. Is there a case on ExO? I know a lot of people scumread him but I can't remember why. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:17 Rainbows wrote: Cav you literally have to think ExO is mafia, if you believe vivax and OO are both town. Yes, I'm aware of this. I just don't see why I should vote either one of them off in any particular order, but people keep pushing me to vote ExO because he's scummy I guess. Is Haru's real name Sarah or something? | ||
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It's a creepypasta. Go look it up. I'm trying to find euphemisms for what I'm seeing. Haru is in the background and has gotten away with doing fuck all for no reason, and everyone seems to be totally okay with that. | ||
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Again, he's posting the bare minimum and everyone is okay with that. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:25 Vivax wrote: I think I'll go look at the night kills. If the night kills were wifom to let suspicion fall onto Cav, then mafia should have pushed him afterwards, which they didn't. On the other hand, leaving the guys alive who suspected Cav would also have gotten him lynched at some point. So maybe Robik and Koshi were up onto somebody else. I really don't even see how we can use the night kill argument. If anyone in the game was shot it would've made me look bad because basically everyone has or had me as a scumread. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:27 Vivax wrote: That's scummy reasoning actually, calling people mafia just cause you think they aren't doing anything of value. Exo didn't do anything D1. Haru didn't do anything past D2. The issue isn't that he isn't doing anything. I've already pointed out that his Poofter vote was bullshit and I've pointed out that he only leaves when his ass isn't on the line. He isn't doing anything, and the stuff he already did made little sense or was scummy in and of itself. Also I never said ExO was scummy because he didn't do anything. The fuck. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:29 Vivax wrote: Which is the reason I said I'd put him into the town shelf. Main reason I'm not doing that with ease is cause if he's really so feverish then he can't play properly as either alignment. Pretty sure he doesn't get modkilled if he votes. Idk. If we don't lynch Haru today, then why ExO? | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:35 ExO_ wrote: Robik struck me as idiotic for his fake claims non-stop. ...Okay? | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:38 Vivax wrote: It just strikes me as idiotic that all the possible scum didn't wanna kill Cav D1. It's potential wifom too, but I know I wouldn't let such a chance slide as scum. Who do you think would be under more pressure? The people on a green lynch or the people on a cop lynch? | ||
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Haru Haru's only scum game was NMM LVI. Let's take a quick look at his manner of interacting with the thread: Meatpudding is already self-immolating. His cases have changed from 'weak with no substantiation' to 'weak with a pinch of bullshit'. This guy should be lynched today for his incoherent reads. Even if Meatpudding don't get lynched today, I'll push for his lynch on d2 unless he gives something constructive. The case on MM is nearly the same as Meatpudding. 1) reads that include points that they exhibit 2) incoherency 3) some form of kneejerk OMGUS Therefore I'm fine with any of their lynches. He's interacting with players in the exact same manner in both games. He comes up with flimsy/nonexistant reasons to scumread people, IE: Opportunistic? Even if I was blindfolded and asked to type what I feel about cava/sinani still serious about robik's fake scumread, I would have shouted 'THATS SO SCUMMY'. I don't need a good excuse to lynch you, your actions is a good enough excuse. If we can't lynch cava/sinani today, then town is fked. Such an obvious hit on mafia and yet, you lynch someone who could only formulate opinions d2. Then, there are his recaps of in-game events made in order to look busy while he accomplishes nothing, but for the sake of not taking up the entire page, here's a link to the fifth page of his newbie filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?user=HaruRH&page=5 The first post is basically a match for his analysis regarding my claim. Why does he do this? To look busy and spread doubt. Here's a link to the third page of his filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/460092-world-cup-mini-mafia?user=HaruRH&page=3 These large posts serve the purpose of casting suspicion on other players without being held accountable. The main difference is that, this game, he was riding the wave of thread sentiment against both mderg and me and made a giant post condemning both of us. I've also already pointed out that Haru has never explicitly mentioned Poofter as a scumread at any point during this game: On June 30 2014 11:36 HaruRH wrote: Wifom. I was pissed because everyone didn't understand that 1 game of meta cant be used, thus I switched up and got meta read. This wagon on me by oo and kush is so telling. Scumpool: cav kush oo exo mderg 3/5 is scum here This post was made after people starting moving off of my wagon on day 2. The thing to note is that Poofter was actually wound up voting him and then leaving the thread, and Haru never bothered to include him in his scumlists. His vote later on in mylo confirmed my suspicions, where he voted Poofter while thread sentiment was already stacked against him. tl;dr Haru is interacting with the thread the same way he did during his scum game. He is attempting to spread doubt amongst easily lynchable players rather than attempting to solve the game. He only voted Poofter because the town forced him to. He has never included Poofter as one of his scummers, even though he was basically saying that he wanted almost anyone else to die. His earlier posts about not being able to establish reads basically comes off as a giant excuse, since he can just coast to the end of the game if I get mislynched and he basically doesn't have to do anything if he shoots/roleblocks the right people. He technically saved me during day 1, but then immediately turned around and kept trying to lynch me. He has been setting this up all game. Haru is scum. | ||
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