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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:36 mderg wrote: Imagine this: 2 people are scummy, 1 of them has some small reasons to be slightly less scummy --> 1 is scummier than the other. Shouldn´t be that hard to understand. You still haven't explain what is that small reason properly And I won't take 'thread sentiment' as an answer | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:37 HaruRH wrote: You still haven't explain what is that small reason properly And I won't take 'thread sentiment' as an answer It´s not thread sentiment, it´s the reasons for the thread sentiment being as it is. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
For example, to calculate my actual reads, I need to set my opinions first. I think cav/pooft are scum. So I would assign them a number of -2. I would be 0 because I dont townread/scumread myself. Haru: 0 Poofter: -2 Cav: -2 However, thread sentiment is that cav is a real cop (+5), poof is just an afk townie (+3) and I'm scum for 4 people (-4). So this comes out as: Haru: -4 Poofter: 1 Cav: 3 Final verdict: my read is that myself is scum bevause THREAD SENTIMENT LUL | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:39 mderg wrote: It´s not thread sentiment, it´s the reasons for the thread sentiment being as it is. The reasons for voting me so far have been one liners, wifom of level 1000 or no reason at all. So how would you read the reason for thread sentiment thinking im scum? | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:43 HaruRH wrote: The reasons for voting me so far have been one liners, wifom of level 1000 or no reason at all. So how would you read the reason for thread sentiment thinking im scum? These reasons you want me to give don´t matter. I´ll try to explain this like for a 5 year old: I think you both are scummy for reasons I already gave, there´s no proper reason to townread you, there have been reasons mentioned in the thread that make robik slightly less scummy. The reasons to scumread you two has nothing to do with thread sentiment, the reasons why robik could be townread have been mentioned in the thread and they are not completely stupid or something, they´re just way to little to negate the scumread. Naturally, I think it´s better to lynch the scummier guy before the slightly less scummy guy. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:59 mderg wrote: These reasons you want me to give don´t matter. I´ll try to explain this like for a 5 year old: I think you both are scummy for reasons I already gave, there´s no proper reason to townread you, there have been reasons mentioned in the thread that make robik slightly less scummy. The reasons to scumread you two has nothing to do with thread sentiment, the reasons why robik could be townread have been mentioned in the thread and they are not completely stupid or something, they´re just way to little to negate the scumread. Naturally, I think it´s better to lynch the scummier guy before the slightly less scummy guy. Haru - Instantly comes out with the vote on Cav if it turns out Cav is mafia I feel like this is exactly what he would do. I also liked someone's point that it felt like he was going to transition from a cav red to an mderg lynch which is the kind of planning I feel like scum do more than town. I lynched him last game because of his playstyle so I'm most hesitant about this read. GUYS LOOK AT WHO IS REALLY PLANNING FOR A TRANSITION LYNCH LOL | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On June 30 2014 14:45 ObviousOne wrote: okay poof is gone let's all talk shit anyone else think it's counter-productive to intentionally play as if you're scum? i think that's what you just told me, that or i'm super in need of nicotine or something stronger like jameson. for real though as an afterthought (the kind that occurs after finishing an episode of criminal minds) i would like to know how you personally would describe your scum-meta poofter in other news i rescind my imaginary but implied townboner read on vivax for not being here solving the game for me but not far enough to put an m next to his name I'm not doing it intentionally but my scum meta is to be afk a lot. As far as I know. So I hate when my town play looks like my scum play and I'd rather bring my scum play up to my town play I agree... What did you think of My scum reads? So Vivax went to neutral just for activity? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 01 2014 01:09 IAmRobik wrote: Yeah, I don't know. I don't agree with him. I don't know the exact timeline of events (i didn't realize day was coming to a close so soon), but people were turning on cav, and if cav is cop and he feels his lynch is a certainty, then obviously he should claim to save town the mislynch. I just feel like he did what I (and other people) often do in video mafia AS MAFIA, where they will soft a role before actually coming out with it. From his previous games, he never did anything of this sort, so the fact that he softed first makes me feel sketchier about the claim. As for how it relates to banks, I don't know. I have not, nor am I willing to yet, formulate an opinion of banks. The soft makes it sketchier for sure but my main point is that if hes mafia he never gives us info. If hes cop he gets to eat the RB every night or a bullet which could help if town has other roles. Also as mafia he wouldn't be able to RB anyone else because if he lives and their is a roleblock its instant lynch for him. I feel like his situation will work itself out one way or the other. Right now I'm on the Cav is actually the cop boat because a) He's claimed day 1 before as cop so its in his range b) No one is CCing after a night of checks which would be really good for town to have a basically confirmed mafia and another check. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 01 2014 01:48 HaruRH wrote: Cant participate when people are actively trying to find logical loopholes in anything I do Anything else I do now will just be used as material against me because 'sub optimal scum play LOL' Yea I failed my promise because I can't deal with kush/mderg /poofter by myself, so just do whatever you want. I'm not even voting you and I said you were my least likely mafia. I think mderg is most likely and will be voting for him once I catch up baring anything eye opening. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 01 2014 02:34 HaruRH wrote: Yea. I have exams right now, in both my mafia games, I am getting tunnelled heavily, everything I say and do is scum, whatever I write is dismissed as objectives (cav = major lynch so my points on cav is useless according to kush). My mental capacity is too low to try and convince people for another day that I am not scum and all their explanation were all bullshit. I no longer can 3v1. I need a rest. I'm getting flashbacks to Steveling in Glory mafia from this dude but I really hate people that just get all defeated and give up. If you're town Haru man up and find out who the scum are convince me Cav isn't the cop or something. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 01 2014 04:21 Vivax wrote: Imo scum is mderg Poofter and Cav and that's about it. Something similar to Koshi who got NKd, they probably didn't choose me for fear of medics. Definitely not that you killed Koshi to make your reads look good as scum eh? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:42 HaruRH wrote: Lets use numbers to show you what I mean For example, to calculate my actual reads, I need to set my opinions first. I think cav/pooft are scum. So I would assign them a number of -2. I would be 0 because I dont townread/scumread myself. Haru: 0 Poofter: -2 Cav: -2 However, thread sentiment is that cav is a real cop (+5), poof is just an afk townie (+3) and I'm scum for 4 people (-4). So this comes out as: Haru: -4 Poofter: 1 Cav: 3 Final verdict: my read is that myself is scum bevause THREAD SENTIMENT LUL Your math sucks. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:59 mderg wrote: These reasons you want me to give don´t matter. I´ll try to explain this like for a 5 year old: I think you both are scummy for reasons I already gave, there´s no proper reason to townread you, there have been reasons mentioned in the thread that make robik slightly less scummy. The reasons to scumread you two has nothing to do with thread sentiment, the reasons why robik could be townread have been mentioned in the thread and they are not completely stupid or something, they´re just way to little to negate the scumread. Naturally, I think it´s better to lynch the scummier guy before the slightly less scummy guy. mderg or exo are my favorite lynches today. I think vivax is scum but so many people are town reading him I doubt we can get him lynched. Exo - Has been still doing what I called him out on I didn't finish my thoughts on him last night cause my video mafia game started and I just said fuck it. What I was saying about exo is: This guys vote at EoD is really weird he pops in it at odd times and I feel like he doesn't know what to say. I think this is like a classic mafia tell. They know they should talk but don't know what to say. I think that him saying he got a warning for activity and talking about how things are all spammy and he needs to write down his ideas is an easy thing for scum to do. He seems upset he has to post which I don't see as townie. Also I feel like in a world where Cav is mafia ExO hammers away from him to save his buddy. I am a bit worried about him just being n00bie town but I'm not getting the same vibe as I was last game where he was saying and doing weird shit but it felt townie. MDerg - says he didn't vote for sinani because of Exo but his vote didn't go off... this could have been a smart and opportunistic scum not voting on a scum buddy cav or a bad scum missing his shot to hammer the cop. I thought mdergs attempt to clear himself based on his vote thing was pretty lack luster and I still seem scum motive in his vote. Outside his vote though his thing about robik being scum as well as haru does feel like what I was calling out Haru for and he defends it in an odd way that makes me think hes more trying to prove he wasn't lying than he is right. Like as a townie if you say something contradictory you really don't care you just brush it off and say fuck it I'm town like think what you want. I don't get this feeling in mdergs post. ##Vote Mderg I think that Mderg and Exo are very unlikely to be scum together from the way things have played out. I think a scum team is something along the lines of Mderg or Exo/Vivax/Cav/Haru I feel like everyone else is townie. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
I think that Robik and me are on the same page when it comes to Cav and how to handle him... at least I hope so by the way he is talking. So I feel like scum would have to kill both of us to play out the Cav situation in their favor. I'm sure others know what to do to but Look for guidance on that from Robik should I not be here. How many PRs does HF usually put into his games? (This one probably not best for discussions in thread but more of a food for thought) I'm going to look at other shit on here but I should be around for a couple hours. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:33 mderg wrote: I meant, where did I lie? The lie is: "There are reasons to townread you, but they aren't very strong" "I never townread Robik" You don't claim that others are townreading me. You are stating that there ARE REASONS to townread me. But if you're not townreading me then there are neither very strong, nor very weak reason to townread me. There are NO reasons to townread me for. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On July 01 2014 00:57 Vivax wrote: I've seen it too often. Lazy D1 scum, posts huge post to calm the waters, when it doesn't work he fakeclaims. Classic Blazinghand play. I don't like the wagon on HaruRH. His opinion on the Cav situation seemed genuine, because he realized why I was asking him directly instead of anyone else. As mafia he probably wouldn't come to that realization, and think I was picking on him / thought he was scum so I asked him directly about a difficult matter. I also believe he's stepped up his game from day 1 enough, kind of like Order. In order, he tunneled my ass until the very end. Well, he tried to reconcile, but in the end concluded that "one of me/rainbows is mafia" (I.E. that I was mafia). I think he's doing the same kind of thing with Cav, pretty convicted in his reads, even goes onto quote Koshi's post and claim to brag in the scum QT. I also am wary because Mderg is on the wagon. I agree that ExO's play is toxic so far. He's gone from saying "it's ok to lynch me", to yelling at me for him not giving reads, to apologizing for his actions. This is indicative of a variable playstyle of mafia; when ExO realizes that bitching at my scumread won't help, he apologizes softly and promises to improve. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On July 01 2014 10:17 IAmRobik wrote: The lie is: "There are reasons to townread you, but they aren't very strong" "I never townread Robik" You don't claim that others are townreading me. You are stating that there ARE REASONS to townread me. But if you're not townreading me then there are neither very strong, nor very weak reason to townread me. There are NO reasons to townread me for. Robik, I think this "lie" is pretty bad. Screaming LIAR LIAR LIAR is blowing it fairly out of proportion when the lie seems like a stretch. There can be reasons to townread people ("too scummy to be scum" theory, for example), but you don't believe in that reason yourself particularly (because it is not a very strong read). | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
We'll lynch Cava at some point, cause he's most likely scum, but obviously not for another 2 days or so. Someone should prolly figure out who his partners are. One of them is likely to be on the side of "HOLY SHIT THAT'S A FUCKING FAKE CLAIM AND A HALF" cause mafia like to be right. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On July 01 2014 10:35 Rainbows wrote: Robik, I think this "lie" is pretty bad. Screaming LIAR LIAR LIAR is blowing it fairly out of proportion when the lie seems like a stretch. There can be reasons to townread people ("too scummy to be scum" theory, for example), but you don't believe in that reason yourself particularly (because it is not a very strong read). I've used the too scummy to be scum read before. I don't think it pans out as often as one might think. Screaming liar is my way to get his attention and make him answer for his crimes. I could just be tunneled on mderg like I was on sinani though, so I'm willing to let other people figure things out for me this game. I'm trying to take a bit of a backseat after I cause a mislynch on d1 because of my stubborness (I won't retract my claim that sinani was scummy as fuck and it's good that he's gone) | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On July 01 2014 10:37 IAmRobik wrote: I've used the too scummy to be scum read before. I don't think it pans out as often as one might think. Screaming liar is my way to get his attention and make him answer for his crimes. I could just be tunneled on mderg like I was on sinani though, so I'm willing to let other people figure things out for me this game. I'm trying to take a bit of a backseat after I cause a mislynch on d1 because of my stubborness (I won't retract my claim that sinani was scummy as fuck and it's good that he's gone) You may want to reconsider lynching into ExO. Or maybe Cava for today would be the correct choice, instead of waiting another day or two. Are there any other reasons you'd lynch Mderg besides his lie? | ||
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