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On June 27 2014 18:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote + I knew he didn't actually have an explanation for it, but he should then just say so. Instead he panicked and decided to joke around instead. ??? If I have no reason for that vote and that is so obvious, then I also have no obligation to post something to your liking. This argument says nothing. If I reply seriously you can say I panicked, if I reply with a joke post you can say I panicked. It needs stirring up as I tried to express with the vocative post to Koshi. I don't see why you're posting this if not for the sole sake of making me look shit for no reason. Show nested quote +More questions, no conclusions or even insights into Vivax's thought process.
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There is however a hole in my logic. Vivax has actually given us one opinion. This one here: Come on, you could try a bit harder.
I thought Palmar gave it a pretty good energy for a guy who can project and personify laziness on day one, lol.
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WoW. I bring Vivax a cold glass of water and instead of being all cool and smart he is angry and ignores me.
Vivax. It doesn't matter what this evul Plammer is saying to you. We can find the mafia. Ignore the Plammer. He is bad. Or he is mafia. Right? RIGHT?
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On June 27 2014 18:28 Koshi wrote:
WoW. I bring Vivax a cold glass of water and instead of being all cool and smart he is angry and ignores me.
Vivax. It doesn't matter what this evul Plammer is saying to you. We can find the mafia. Ignore the Plammer. He is bad. Or he is mafia. Right? RIGHT?
I recognize the town koshi please bring your evidence to all of the players not just Investigavor Vi Vax
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On June 27 2014 18:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote + I knew he didn't actually have an explanation for it, but he should then just say so. Instead he panicked and decided to joke around instead. ??? If I have no reason for that vote and that is so obvious, then I also have no obligation to post something to your liking. This argument says nothing. If I reply seriously you can say I panicked, if I reply with a joke post you can say I panicked.
If you reply seriously you can claim to have been trying to move the game forward in a meaningful manner. While yes, I could claim you panicked, (hint, I wouldn't), I could not have said you were actively sabotaging the game.
On June 27 2014 18:24 Vivax wrote:It needs stirring up as I tried to express with the vocative post to Koshi. I don't see why you're posting this if not for the sole sake of making me look shit for no reason.
If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101.
If you wanted activity, why didn't you just start doing something. Hell, you should be applauding me! I'm creating super useful activity. Or do you maybe just want activity that doesn't focus on you?
On June 27 2014 18:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +More questions, no conclusions or even insights into Vivax's thought process.
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There is however a hole in my logic. Vivax has actually given us one opinion. This one here: Come on, you could try a bit harder.
Don't need to. The fact that you don't fuck up something in every post doesn't mean you're not mafia. Scum doesn't give themselves away in every post.
But when you have a suspicious pattern, and the one exception to that pattern is shit because it is invalid (unless you explain that Kush is lying), then we have something.
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On June 27 2014 18:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +More questions, no conclusions or even insights into Vivax's thought process.
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There is however a hole in my logic. Vivax has actually given us one opinion. This one here: A fine technique you have here. First you say I don't give any opinions. Then you claim all my contributions are just one opinion, effectively contradicting your previous statement but at the same time making it look like I'm lazy or disinterested. Furthermore, you don't take into account my more recent opinions, which shows that the amount of opinions I give isn't as relevant to your read as you claim it is.
Your one opinion is irrelevant because you cannot have it unless I misunderstood you thinking Kush was telling the truth about not reading his role pm.
And even if it's not, I pointed it out myself. I maybe should've used the wording "almost no conclusions", although your "kush is scummy" was hardly a conclusion. It's irrelevant, but if you're going to argue semantics, I guess that tells me more than I need to know about the validity of my case.
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If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101.
"Hey, let's stir up activity, Koshi".
Does it look shit? Is that what you want to say? You try to reply with generalities to something specific already implying that it is shit without explaining why it is shit.
tl;dr: There's nothing scummy about what I've said and palmar is trying to justify why he brings up something like that with a syllogism.
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And for completion's sake:
Maybe I'm misreading the bolded, but it looks like Vivax believes that Kush hasn't read his role pm, which is contradictory to his opinion that kush is scummy, because someone who hasn't read his role pm is by definition not scummy, because he cannot be.
So either Vivax thinks Kush hasn't read the role pm and thus is not scummy, or he thinks he has read the role pm, and is thus scummy.
My opinion on the subject is that if you don't read your role PM you can still play like a townie cause it gives you a benefit even if you're mafia. If you're good you might catch your teammates "unintentionally" and that's the downside to not reading it.
But as I stated earlier (I think) I didn't get the feeling that kush is trying to solve the game, which is something you would still try with the strategy of not reading your PM.
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Also Plamar please try to solve my riddle.
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On June 27 2014 18:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101. "Hey, let's stir up activity, Koshi". Does it look shit? Is that what you want to say? You try to reply with generalities to something specific already implying that it is shit without explaining why it is shit. tl;dr: There's nothing scummy about what I've said and palmar is trying to justify why he brings up something like that with a syllogism.
No.
This is not how it works.
Scum whines about town atmosphere/activity/spam/whatever
Town actually does something about it.
You said activity was low. There is no reason for you to point it out. One person can fix activity if he really wants to. Look at what I'm doing!
If my logic is faulty grow some balls and call me mafia.
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On June 27 2014 18:30 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 18:28 Koshi wrote:
WoW. I bring Vivax a cold glass of water and instead of being all cool and smart he is angry and ignores me.
Vivax. It doesn't matter what this evul Plammer is saying to you. We can find the mafia. Ignore the Plammer. He is bad. Or he is mafia. Right? RIGHT? I recognize the town koshi please bring your evidence to all of the players not just Investigavor Vi Vax
He is a Detective.
no wait
The Detective.
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On June 27 2014 18:37 Vivax wrote:And for completion's sake:Show nested quote +Maybe I'm misreading the bolded, but it looks like Vivax believes that Kush hasn't read his role pm, which is contradictory to his opinion that kush is scummy, because someone who hasn't read his role pm is by definition not scummy, because he cannot be.
So either Vivax thinks Kush hasn't read the role pm and thus is not scummy, or he thinks he has read the role pm, and is thus scummy. My opinion on the subject is that if you don't read your role PM you can still play like a townie cause it gives you a benefit even if you're mafia. If you're good you might catch your teammates "unintentionally" and that's the downside to not reading it. But as I stated earlier (I think) I didn't get the feeling that kush is trying to solve the game, which is something you would still try with the strategy of not reading your PM.
So what? If you believe he's not reading the role PM it doesn't matter what he's doing. Is your point that he did not read his role pm and is trying to leverage that to make his scumgame be better at the cost of town? So basically he is not reading his role pm as a scum-strategy?
That's irrelevant, because if he didn't read his role pm, he would use it as scum-strategy even if he rolled town. So again, he by definition cannot be mafia.
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Palmar, are you saying kush MUST be town just for claliming to not have read his pm?
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by "cannto be mafia" I mean "cannot be scummy"
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On June 27 2014 18:47 Vivax wrote:
Palmar, are you saying kush MUST be town just for claliming to not have read his pm?
No, see my fix.
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On June 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 18:37 Vivax wrote:If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101. "Hey, let's stir up activity, Koshi". Does it look shit? Is that what you want to say? You try to reply with generalities to something specific already implying that it is shit without explaining why it is shit. tl;dr: There's nothing scummy about what I've said and palmar is trying to justify why he brings up something like that with a syllogism. No. This is not how it works. Scum whines about town atmosphere/activity/spam/whatever Town actually does something about it. You said activity was low. There is no reason for you to point it out. One person can fix activity if he really wants to. Look at what I'm doing!
If my logic is faulty grow some balls and call me mafia.
I was bantering with Koshi, just writing histrionical, partially pointless stuff cause we were in that mood. You're trying to twist it into something scummy.
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On June 27 2014 18:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:On June 27 2014 18:37 Vivax wrote:If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101. "Hey, let's stir up activity, Koshi". Does it look shit? Is that what you want to say? You try to reply with generalities to something specific already implying that it is shit without explaining why it is shit. tl;dr: There's nothing scummy about what I've said and palmar is trying to justify why he brings up something like that with a syllogism. No. This is not how it works. Scum whines about town atmosphere/activity/spam/whatever Town actually does something about it. You said activity was low. There is no reason for you to point it out. One person can fix activity if he really wants to. Look at what I'm doing!
If my logic is faulty grow some balls and call me mafia. I was bantering with Koshi, just writing histrionical, partially pointless stuff cause we were in that mood. You're trying to twist it into something scummy.
So yesterday you were bantering with me, and now you're bantering with Kosher.
good job!
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On June 27 2014 18:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:On June 27 2014 18:37 Vivax wrote:If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101. "Hey, let's stir up activity, Koshi". Does it look shit? Is that what you want to say? You try to reply with generalities to something specific already implying that it is shit without explaining why it is shit. tl;dr: There's nothing scummy about what I've said and palmar is trying to justify why he brings up something like that with a syllogism. No. This is not how it works. Scum whines about town atmosphere/activity/spam/whatever Town actually does something about it. You said activity was low. There is no reason for you to point it out. One person can fix activity if he really wants to. Look at what I'm doing!
If my logic is faulty grow some balls and call me mafia. I was bantering with Koshi, just writing histrionical, partially pointless stuff cause we were in that mood. You're trying to twist it into something scummy.
I am still in the mood. Get back in the mood!
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Koshi, you should chime in.
Why are Palmar's arguments good?
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Palmar do you think kush deserves no attentio nand any observation made about him should be discarded cause he can't play scummy according to your logic?
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On June 27 2014 19:06 Vivax wrote:
Palmar do you think kush deserves no attentio nand any observation made about him should be discarded cause he can't play scummy according to your logic?
He should be policy lynched.
If he's lying, he's doing it for mafia purpose. If he's not lying he's playing against his win con (unless mafia) and needs to be lynched.
He's doing a play that benefits mafia more than town, and should be policy lynched. There is no point in analyzing him unless you think he's lying, and if he's lying he's confirmed mafia.
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