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Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 06 2014 22:24 GMT
#2333
Why the heck does scum Cav fake a green check and not just claim roleblocked? OO openly claimed he had protected Vivax, and with no notifications he could just say he was roleblocked again. Unless scum thought OO was lying, trying to get Cav to claim roleblock, so OO could counterclaim and say that Cav was 100% lying scum.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 06 2014 22:25 GMT
#2334
Although how does scum including OO not roleblock the cop again and just let him off with a free check?

Fuck night actions and wifom just lynch into Cav plz
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 00:32 GMT
#2342
In every 12+ player game I've seen, there's almost always been a mafia roleblocker. It kind of counteracts the "I'm going to claim cop d1 and medic should save me every day" follow-the-cop stuff.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 00:33 GMT
#2344
For the record, Vigi + cop + doctor is perfectly balanced for goon / RB / and either GF or framer to fuck with checks.

The only reason we're voting into blue claims is because two of exo/vivax/haru as scum doesn't make much sense when you razor it out.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 00:33 GMT
#2346
Did cav 'check' kush n1? I don't remember that lol
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 00:38 GMT
#2349
On July 07 2014 09:38 ExO_ wrote:
Do we have the option to vote no lynch? If HaruRH is going to die from inactivity maybe its best to just let him be lynched and not get anybody else


I think town loses if we do this.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 00:42 GMT
#2352
no lynching is almost never a good idea, if haru is town we lose. we have to 100% hit scum today, so lynching is a must. haru getting modkilled is actually good for town regardless of his alignment I think, because tomorrow if we hit scum it would be 1 v 2 versus 1 v 3 less suspects
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 00:42 GMT
#2353
actually i'm literally hitler
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 00:43 GMT
#2355
sadly my flavor does not indicate hilter anywhere.

I fakeclaimed hitler my bad
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:29 GMT
#2359
On July 07 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
What if I told you Cav actually isn't scum.


Then I would ask: is OO actually scum?
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:37 GMT
#2362
On July 07 2014 11:35 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 11:29 Rainbows wrote:
On July 07 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
What if I told you Cav actually isn't scum.


Then I would ask: is OO actually scum?


It's possible for town to have those 3 PR vs. a RB, a GF and goon. Very balanced setup.


I know this.

However,

On July 07 2014 09:33 Rainbows wrote:
For the record, Vigi + cop + doctor is perfectly balanced for goon / RB / and either GF or framer to fuck with checks.

The only reason we're voting into blue claims is because two of exo/vivax/haru as scum doesn't make much sense when you razor it out.


I can't see ExO + Vivax team.

Nor can I see ExO + Haru.

Nor Can I see Vivax + Haru.

Most of those are pretty unlikely teams imo. Therefore, one blue is probably mafia and the other red is between those three.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:38 GMT
#2363
I can see ExO + Haru but it's pretty unlikely with that amount of bus required.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:44 GMT
#2365
On July 07 2014 11:41 Vivax wrote:
Hey rainbows, good you're here.

Just wanted to point out to you that the argument you used D1 on Haru here was bullshit, cause you said he was following YOUR sentiment, when he posted his stuff on Koshi before you.

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 00:35 Rainbows wrote:
All the pressure on Koshi, makes me not like Koshi lynch. Responded well to pressure. Don't like how Haru comes in and votes Koshi. First two quotes in his vote post mean nothing, the third is pretty meh.

On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.

On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


On June 27 2014 21:34 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


huh? what does the fake role PM have to do with anything..

it's a role pm not flavor pm. It would make no sense for the fake claims to all have different countries, since countries are irrelevant and that would be obvious gamebreaking. do you think HF is retarded?

Ah wait. That makes sense. The countries are irrelevant.

Still. I like my my idea. You scum.


Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then

On June 27 2014 22:40 Koshi wrote:
Note to self. I am so scummy that both OO and Vivax want to lynch me when 4 people haven't posted anything of worth. Impressive work Koshi.


condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi


Seems like he's voting thread sentiment imo. Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.

On June 28 2014 00:09 HaruRH wrote:
On June 27 2014 23:48 kushm4sta wrote:
@haru if you felt so strongly about koshi being scum then why did it take me asking about your scum reads to say anything about it?


Because I just woke up, read through the thread and saw that hilarious post by koshi. When you asked me for a read/lynch, I reread the thread a few times and I picked up on koshi.



Oh yeah, I remember that. General thread sentiment was leaning against Koshi if I remember. He posted right before me as I made my koshi post. Obviously he wasn't following my sentiment, but the fact that haru made that vote as I was writing made me not want to lynch him anymore.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:52 GMT
#2367
On July 07 2014 11:48 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.


But this reads as if you said he posted it after you voted Koshi.

Show nested quote +
but the fact that haru made that vote as I was writing made me not want to lynch him anymore.


But you voted him afterwards.


I didn't see haru's post until after I posted my post. Of course I voted Koshi in my own koshi post, but I didn't know Haru made that post while writing my own post that I was about to post.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:52 GMT
#2368
post
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:54 GMT
#2370
Linearly, if you can think about it this way, I realized Haru voted after I had already voted. So in my mind, I voted first, but Haru had dropped that vote on there and it made me uneasy as to my vote even though my post technically came later.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:55 GMT
#2371
Vivax if you are town, and hopefully you are, and I'm putting all my eggs in one basket, then it's still a 50-50 shot for me.

And Haru might be modkilled, so it's almost a 100% shot.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:57 GMT
#2373
On July 07 2014 11:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 11:52 Rainbows wrote:
On July 07 2014 11:48 Vivax wrote:
Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy.


But this reads as if you said he posted it after you voted Koshi.

but the fact that haru made that vote as I was writing made me not want to lynch him anymore.


But you voted him afterwards.


I didn't see haru's post until after I posted my post. Of course I voted Koshi in my own koshi post, but I didn't know Haru made that post while writing my own post that I was about to post.


I don't get it.

You didn't see Haru's post untiil after you posted against Koshi or against Haru?
Reiterate for the other posts you're referencing pls.


I didn't see haru's ##Vote koshi post until after I posted my ##vote koshi post.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 02:59 GMT
#2375
On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 21:34 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:
On June 27 2014 21:29 Koshi wrote:
Kush is scum and plays lazy
Robik is onto him and calls him out
Kush pretends to be still lazy while he is waiting for a fake role PM from Holyflare
Kush got the fake role PM and wants a fresh start

##vote: Kush


huh? what does the fake role PM have to do with anything..

it's a role pm not flavor pm. It would make no sense for the fake claims to all have different countries, since countries are irrelevant and that would be obvious gamebreaking. do you think HF is retarded?

Ah wait. That makes sense. The countries are irrelevant.

Still. I like my my idea. You scum.


Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 22:40 Koshi wrote:
Note to self. I am so scummy that both OO and Vivax want to lynch me when 4 people haven't posted anything of worth. Impressive work Koshi.


condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi


^ I didn't see this post, when I made this post:

On June 27 2014 23:35 Rainbows wrote:
Think a good heuristic for this game is to learn from TL Order which went spectacularly horribly. In terms of Kush, Kush is now confirmed mafia in Order and I've spent a decent time reading his filter in that game. If kush is mafia, he will hopefully show some of the same signals.

Koshi looks like mafia so far.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 17:27 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 17:11 Vivax wrote:
Some lemon juice and 2 spoons of sugar should do, Alfred.

Opinions on Robik's obsession with claims? Do you think it has the potential to give any benefit to either of the two factions?
Is mderg too lurky for his usual standard? (Oh hey, a new post, keep it up/ninjad)
Is kush derping indicative or not?

@ OO

When i was mafia and didn't read my role pm I still tried to figure out things the standard way in the beginning which still isn't the feeling I get from kush.

Who is this Alfred guy? Are you losing your mind Detective Vivax? It's me constable Koshi. It's ok, don't worry, use all your remaining brain cells to focus on catching the bad guys.

Robik is Robik. We lynch him if he doesn't perform. I am going to ignore his early game and see if he keeps it up in the later stages. I am reading his posts to see if anything really good is in it though. There hasn't been.

mderg dnu. He is pretty lurk always. I think meta will have to be used later the day. I would encourage Mderg to post more. Less than 1 page are extra mafia points.

Kush derped early game in normal ass mafia. Really thought he was scum there. But he wasn't. We shall have to watch him. Closely.


Vivax asks him for his reads on these three players, Koshi basically responds "we have to watch them". Vivax asked specifcally about the claiming country stuff robik did but doesn't comment on it just said there hasn't been any good things robik has said. I feel like town would come up with some conclusion based on either robik or kush at least.

Then Palmar makes case on vivax. koshi thoughts on case inc

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Koshi, you should chime in.

Why are Palmar's arguments good?

Because they are true. You had many questions and as he pointed out you didn't have as much opinions.

Is it scummy? Possibly. I don't like how you went all angry and stuff. Just accept the case and move on. It wasn't a bad case. You should have told him off and went on hunting them scummers. At least I would have liked you to do that.

Is Palmar scummy? Not to me for this case, not at all. Only if he focussed you out while somebody else was doing the same thing. But even then. Palmar not scummy.


Doesn't come to a conclusion on vivax's actions. Does consider palmar 'not scummy', but only not scummy 'not for this case'. feels like wiggle room to call Palmar mafia in the future if it benefits him.

But this is more interesting imo:

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 18:28 Koshi wrote:
WoW. I bring Vivax a cold glass of water and instead of being all cool and smart he is angry and ignores me.


Vivax. It doesn't matter what this evul Plammer is saying to you. We can find the mafia. Ignore the Plammer. He is bad. Or he is mafia. Right? RIGHT?



Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
On June 27 2014 18:10 Vivax wrote:
Please don't be scum Koshi, it would be heartbreaking.

There is no dishonor in claiming scum to fight against the tyranny of hosts making us enemies in eternity.

If you aren't, we shall debate about the current subjects of interest. Even if you are it would be appreciated.

But let's await the wicked Icelander's deeds and postpone judgment in favour of insight.

I am not scum. I wouldn't lie to you Detective Vivax.

I am seeing this case on you, it's not bad, not bad at all. Is he a wannebe Vivax or an evul minion of Moriarty?


I'm confused. AT one point the case on Vivax is "not bad, not bad at all"

8 minutes later it is "Plammer is bad, or mafia". Seems like a drastic change of opinion. When vivax asks about Koshi's opinion on the case (quoted earlier), Koshi replies that the arguments are good 'because they are true'.

What does Koshi think? I can't tell. A lot of scatter opinions on the same topic of Palmar case. Reads scummy because, as town, he would know exactly how he thinks. As scum he tailors his opinion to the town. He also feels like he is buddying up to vivax in a lot of his posts which i only do if I have a hard townread on that person, but Koshi doesn't appear to have a super townread on Vivax, so why the buddying?

If that looks confusing I just woke up. Main point is that Koshi changes his opinion on Palmar case, goes from --> Case is not bad --> Palmar is bad, or mafia --> arguments are good because true, it wasn't a bad case. He also sidesteps a read on robik and buddys vivax.

##Vote: Koshi

evul koshi maf


They are 10 mins apart, and I wasn't f5ing and stuff so I didn't see his vote post.

After I made my vote post, I went back and looked at Haru's vote post, I didn't like it and it made me feel awkward about lynching Koshi.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 07 2014 03:03 GMT
#2376
On July 07 2014 11:59 Vivax wrote:
So you're saying you believed Haru's vote to have been placed after yours.
Weird that someone wouldn't notice the correct post timing, but I'll run with the explanation for now.


No, I KNEW Haru's vote was placed before mine. Gah it's confusing to explain.

In terms of realization, I realized that I had Koshi when making the post. Then I went back to read the thread after i posted and realized Haru voted for him badly (before me technically, but I hadn't realized it until then, after I had already voted.)

It's so hard to explain correctly lol.
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