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On June 16 2014 02:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:
6 hours, yeah??

On June 16 2014 09:50 goodkarma wrote:


This post has no substance. And why would you talk down to bunny about him having limited information? Do you have less limited information?

On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.

On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ

On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:




Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies

On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:


So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie."

The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule"

It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum.

On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:


But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule?

I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so...

On June 16 2014 11:27 goodkarma wrote:


This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia:



Did something change?

On June 16 2014 11:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:


You are soooooo wrong on me. It's super bad.

And tbh, idc what you think of yourself, but you haven't impressed me ass the "best" in TL Mafia.

I caught your mafia self d1. Get rekt!

And as I said, Kenpachi rule is useless and stupid, and it will be highly disproved this game.

I have no need to backtrack, and I had not backtracked anywhere. I'm going forward with this lynch and into the abyss you go!

On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:


I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule.

the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm

On June 16 2014 11:43 Snickers wrote:


Can you explain why a townie would never do that. Also what does lylo stand for. I know it is a phase at the end of the game. I can probably figure out why a scum would fake claim blue if i knew the definition.

On June 16 2014 09:45 slOosh wrote:
Bunnies (ninja? 27?), who is smurf and why should we lynch him?

On June 16 2014 09:50 goodkarma wrote:


This post has no substance. And why would you talk down to bunny about him having limited information? Do you have less limited information?

On June 16 2014 11:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Do I need t drill this into this thick skull of yours?

I don't care AT ALL you claimed VT. I said it was super weird, yes, but that's not why im reading you as scum.. Seriously, learn to freaking read, and stop putting words in my mouth.

On June 16 2014 12:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:


BH I thought you were some amazing mafia player?

Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME!

And I'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game.

On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:

I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face.

Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so?

On June 16 2014 17:12 Release wrote:

First bold is incorrect. YKZ has been acted stubbornly incorrectly and has misrepresented information in a manner that implies that he is correct and 27nb is wrong (whereas the opposite is true).

So you essentially have no reads? I doubt anyone has any solid reads except for/against 27nb and YKZ. Weird to include an entire paragraph about null.

The above implies bad/useless town but the next paragraph changes my read completely (as it did for 27nb).

Second bold: You would prefer that YKZ be town and therefore believe that 27nb is scum? The roles have already been determined. That is a complete lack of reasoning for wanting a lynch but still being swayed? That reeks of scum trying to jump on the bandwagon.




That is a strange statement because asking for town to die to prove something is ridiculous, and is against our goal to kill mafia. However, the second part is correct. Why would you include the first part in this statement? Reeks of mafia.

Also quick note on Scientific Method: Nothing can be proven correct, but 1 counterexample demonstrates a need to change the hypothesis.




And from 27nb's perspective, I take a neutral stance on what she said. By the end of the game sounds like she was saying that she would be revealed as town when the game conclude, assuming that she would survive the entire game. As opposed to end of the day by getting a lynch of YKZ, but, at that point, not many people had taken a stance on the situation. It's passive but focussed on moving the game forward (as opposed to YKZ's comments which were designed to draw attention to himself and his survival).

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@1: That was a question, separate from her vote.

@2: I'm pretty sure we don't use roles on "night 0." (check the Godfather role on the OP)

@3: Not too sure what you're asking but I can clarify: "Limited information" indicates scum because on Day 1, no one has any information except for the mafia, so assuming that YKZ is town, he should have less than or equal information to everyone else. Clearly, "limited information" implies that he has more and therefore cannot be town.
next point: The Kenpachi rule does not apply but he insisted repeatedly and incorrectly that it did apply, causing chaos in town and trying to lead a mislynch.

@4: That sounds really scummy. On day 1, blues have no information more than town so we need to keep them alive. Talking about blues can only increase that chance that mafia corrects identifies blue so talking about blue on day 1 favors mafia.

@5: "You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip."
this is incorrect. 27nb who thinks YKZ is scum does not speculate whether YKZ is blue because 27nb believes that YKZ is red. YKZ presents information as though 27nb is speculating which is the complete opposite of what is actually happening. Read the second part closely. Speculation only occurs if town is the hypothesis, which is not the case, so again, YKZ makes an incorrect statement and misleads us. 27nb's statement is not a scum slip by any stretch of the imagination.

See below:






Overall, this sounds like a soft defense of YKZ, and such a defense is untenable.\

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On June 17 2014 01:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Boring, why so?

And I know I'm town, so you think Release is more likely scum defending a town here?

Or do you think it's scum defending a partner this early into the game?

I'm thinking we're both town here.

Though, i agree, he is basically just sayng everything I've already said.

On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:


You have a point here I really like.

Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here.

He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do.

But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that.

I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum.

On June 17 2014 02:38 Release wrote:
Currently this is our only point of discussion, although your vote on me now introduces a discussion about me.

wordy words

On June 17 2014 02:38 slOosh wrote:

I'm sorry, how is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

He hasn't rehashed anything, it's original content and wordiness is alignment null.

On June 16 2014 12:46 slOosh wrote:
I can see a somewhat reasonable case to be made that bunnies is not a stellar townie, but I don't see the case being made that she must be scum. Why isn't she "bad" town?

On June 17 2014 03:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Understandable, which is why I'm trying to move conversation from YKZ and Is fighting elsewhere to get more reads.

People did that in cell badly, and I used it to my advantage as mafia. I still think using associations as town is helpful. Plus I'm getting reads based off what I'm writing and how people question my theories. It's quite interesting. I think you are town.

I want to be right on YKZ, but I know in a game of mafia, I could be wrong. I don't see how this makes me scummy for wanting to be right on a top scumread?

On June 17 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:

How is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb?

On June 17 2014 03:21 slOosh wrote:
Lazermonkey, what is the "scummy stuff" that bunnies is backpedaling from?

On June 17 2014 03:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@Lazer- it is no lie that I was weirded out by the vt claim. You can obviously see that. but notice I voted YKZ before he voted me. So your last paragraph makes no sense? I don't vote YKZ until he votes me with kenpachi rule? I voted before that and he omgus the vote instead of actually giving reasons as to why I am scummy.

Also, yes, the other point was the limited information. Still not sure how this makes me scummy?

Your logic here to me seems super bad.

On June 17 2014 03:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:


4. It wasn't the MAIN reason I voted YKZ.

On June 17 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But YKZ's last few posts have been a bit towny, especially his read on Artansis.

On June 17 2014 05:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Chez, Artanis, care to share your thoughts?

On June 17 2014 06:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Go ahead if one must.

Probably clear up a lot of information for town.

On June 17 2014 06:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
I feel kinda stuck atm. Anyone else here? I want to hear more opinions on Artanis. Preferably from Bunnies and YKZ. Do you still think Artanis is town because of that post. Bunnies, you said, you didn't think the case was very good. Why is that? Something in particular?

On June 17 2014 06:36 27ninjabunnies wrote:


YEs, I do.

I just don't like the reasoning of Artanis not wanting to comment on either YKZ or me. I find this more townie, because he is looking for scum outside of us and trying to get reads outside of us.

On June 17 2014 06:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:


You view it as scummy, i view it as townie.

I don't see what you mean by not giving information. The only way that would work is if one us either me or YKZ was scum WITH artanis. But I dn't see that.

He is still attempting to get information outside of us.

On June 17 2014 06:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Not sure if you want me dead, or want to have sex with me.

Both are quite disturbing images.

So yeah, not getting the picture here.

On June 17 2014 06:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Not sure if you want me dead, or want to have sex with me.

Both are quite disturbing images.

So yeah, not getting the picture here.

On June 18 2014 07:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I am definitely not active. Sorry. Could give you a million excuses as to why, but Im pretty sure you don't gaf.

Basically, family issues. Pretty bad things happened last night. Won't get into it.

But I am back. Let me read up on the last few pages I have missed.
If there is anything specific you want me to look at, I'll keep this page open and answer questions as I go along.

On June 18 2014 07:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I don't see how everything I've said is fluff?

I gave y reasoning on YKZ, and from what I'm reading, YKZ is basically all like

"Oooh im the best player here. Yada yada yada. NB is scum. Yada yada yada. Look how godly I look."

You know what I say to that?

"EFF YOU"

I might be a little pissed here. Also, I still think he is town. So let me read a bit, and I'll try and find scum for yall and atleast leave a legacy of some kind since I'm the one getting mislynched here, but hey, that's cool. First time for everything right?

Release has been the only one even remotely defending me. Either mafia here are SUPER bussing me (they aren't cause I am town) or jumping on the bw of a mislynch on town. Btw:: IT's the latter.

On June 18 2014 08:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, mafia are just gonna afk on us until lynch goes through.

Anything else people want to ask me/talk to me about?

On June 18 2014 08:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Well besides the huge conversation with YKZ and my latest posts, uh, nothing?

I'm not stupid. I had to leave last night, and wasn't able to get on til now.
Sucks for me, but rl got a bit hectic.

But atleast I'm attempting to save my ass right now.

On June 18 2014 08:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Because my huge filter consists of the fight with YKZ and me pushing on him. Basically it.

MY latest post of reads.

You shouldn't vote me because I'm town

I've been trying to make connections between people

and find mafia OUTSIDE of the stuff with YKZ,

while YKZ has only been pushing on me, and not even making scumreads outside of me, and because this is a mislynch.

On June 18 2014 08:35 Snickers wrote:
Not changing my vote because I do not think 27nb is scum. No where else to consolidate. I think scum have won day one . 27nb ratio of supposed scuminess to actual scuminnes seems high. I think mafia are playing us very hard here . Maybe we will know for sure in 30 min(assuming 27 nb is lynched).

I really find it weird how she is still bringing up my association of players.

If she is shown mafia. My long shot preferable outcome is what we will all agree on. It seems that way. I think ykz is either really emotional or scum fooling town so well over multiple layers of thought

On June 18 2014 08:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I would actually pick Mderg over VE being scum

On June 18 2014 08:38 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Kay, sorry for reiterating. Whagtever, don't care I repeated myself.
Umm the reads that you are getting my 5 sum reads from?
I don't think unflipped associations are bad at all Cause when flips happen, connections can be made. I post them early so I can refer to them in the future after flips.
Ummm, when? When I basically said I'm gonna stop tunneling YKZ and find mafia outside of him.
Im comparing myself to him because he is null- therefore he could be mafia. I dont freaking know. I don't have his role pm. Which btw: Why are you getting onto me about you not having my role pm, when you stating in forum that your role pm told you you were town. We don't have your role pm so that's the stupidest thing you've posted so far.

On June 18 2014 08:54 Lazermonkey wrote:
There isn't super much to be said. Bunnies has been active. I read YKZ's post about how Bunnies's post in reality wasn't good. I don't agree with it. If we would have such high standard as YKZ has then there are more players that should be regarded as very scummy. Such as mderp and VE...