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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 26 2014 22:15 GMT
#1526
Ha! Like we were only voting Lazermonkey because of a red check. Priceless.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 26 2014 22:21 GMT
#1532
On June 27 2014 07:19 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 07:15 slOosh wrote:
Ha! Like we were only voting Lazermonkey because of a red check. Priceless.


Okay, but I want to be clear here: yesterday, your vote was on Koshi. You did switch back and forth between the two of them a bit, but in the end, your vote was on Koshi. Was it just for consolidation reasons, or did you actually think he was a better lynch than LM? What changed your mind today? Are you ignoring the green check (which is reasonable, but if you are, please own it)?

I voted Koshi because I wanted to keep VE. I even said to Koshi that I thought he was town. Lazermonkey was always a better lynch. I'm dismissing the green check for now because of the possibility of framer / godfather.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 26 2014 22:22 GMT
#1533
Oh yes, Snickers, don't forget to vote.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 26 2014 22:37 GMT
#1538
Yes, me personally. As in, if I was given day vig powers I'd shoot YKZ. But the game of mafia doesn't work that way. I think it's better to lynch you, then tackle the final boss YKZ after that.

I mean, I also have a green check but you spend all your time arguing with Release how he shouldn't be reading me as town? Please Lazermonkey, just get lynched quietly.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 26 2014 23:24 GMT
#1560
Snickers if Lazer flips town we can deal with it then.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 00:02 GMT
#1604
Wow. Good job whoever is last scum. Thoroughly fooled me.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 00:21 GMT
#1609
On June 25 2014 08:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Reads
Town
Chezinu -
The way the game has developed makes no sense for him to be mafia. There's also one comment in his filter that makes me near certain that he's town.

I don't think Chezinu is scum. There was a no kill, and Artanis seemed to expected his death given how he posted right before deadline. I think this comment is him talking about him saving Chezinu.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 00:26 GMT
#1611
I mean, only way Chezinu is scum is if he soulread Artanis, and then crumbed to him to save him, and then did a no kill. And also team hammered mderg on D2. Like super unlikely.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 00:27 GMT
#1612
I believe a YKZ lynch is most sensible yes. While I was wrong on Lazermonkey, I believe he is wrong on YKZ. There is plenty of reason to hard defend a lynch on town if the lynch will still go through.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 00:41 GMT
#1614
And as weird as it sounds, I think Koshi is the last scum. I was so adverse to it because I really don't think YKZ would actually try to hammer him on deadline, but on a reread it seems like uhhh ...

there was a good chance that YKZ knew of the delayed deadline (reread it yourself) as indeed he switched back to VE, and convinced Lazermonkey to do the same. Additionally is when he started freaking out a bit when it looked like a Koshi lynch was actually possible.

He maintained a strong lynch Koshi read, but did not waver when Artanis had a super duper strong town read on VE, and he had an agreeing read on Koshi.

Given his most recent post where he admits where he would happily bus members, and Koshi's just general not doing much-ness, I believe this is the reality of this game. (in the bold, replace "him" with "Koshi")

On June 27 2014 08:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 08:34 Snickers wrote:
So anyone thought that YKZ is trying to save Lazer so much because if lazer flips scum we would all most likely go after him. His push style has found a weakness. Also the comment sloosh made about we will take about it later is prty scummy. One of the many reasons I am lynching Lazer.


Do you honestly think I wouldn't have bussed Lazer by this point as scum? ._. Look man, I'm here to talk with Lazer because I have a townread on him. I'm pretty sure he's gonna flip town and tomorrow we're at LYLO. We need to pump this guy for all the info we can get out of him in the next half hour before he flips. Obviously none of you are even remotely interested in saving him, and if my goal was simply to look good, I'd find great reasons to vote LM. If I were scum with him, I'd bus him, win solo, and then spend every game bragging about how good I am at scum and how I'm willing to bus awful teammates. When it comes down to it, LM is likely to flip town. You guys are all just wrong and I'm right.

This lynch is my fault for failing to convince you guys, since I'm the smartest player here. The responsibility falls solely on me, the town leader, for failing to corral the necessary votes to save LM.

LM: I am sorry. I really am. But you can't afford to dispair now. Keep talking.


Snickers could you summarize for me why you read Release as scum?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 01:08 GMT
#1616
Votecount analysis:


Day 1 - 27ninjabunnies the Vanilla Townie

27ninjabunnies (7): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, Chezinu, Koshi, slOosh, goodkarma
YouKnowZhou (1): Release
mderg (4): Snickers, VisceraEyes, 27ninjabunnies, Lazermonkey



Day 2 - mderg the Mafia Goon

mderg (5): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou, Chezinu
YouKnowZhou (5): slOosh, VisceraEyes, Snickers, mderg, Lazermonkey



Day 3 - VisceraEyes the Vanilla Townie

VisceraEyes (6): Snickers, Koshi, Release, Chezinu, YouKnowZhou, Lazermonkey
Koshi (3): Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, slOosh



Day 4 - Lazermonkeythe Vanilla Townie

Lazermonkey (5): slOosh, Release, Koshi, Chezinu, Snickers
Koshi (2): YouKnowZhou, Lazermonkey


Given your position, there were 4 town on mderg. Thus it was quite likely that mderg could have been lynched, and so it is most reasonable that scum would work together to save their buddy. If anything, the day 1 votes are more in favor of a town Release, since his vote on YKZ would not have helped bunnies get lynched over mderg.

I believed all productive discussion was over at that point, and what was convening was unproductive discussion.

I do not understand why Release pushing YKZ would be wrong.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 01:24 GMT
#1617
On June 27 2014 09:03 YouKnowZhou wrote:
LM, I promise your words will not go to your grave with you. I'll win this for you. You did a really good job of staying on-topic even as you died, which few players can do. Your death will not be a vain.

New night, same deal: leave me questions and they'll be answered by the end of the night.

Is Koshi is still your lynch of choice for tomorrow?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 02:06 GMT
#1619
But do you agree that YKZ should be lynched tomorrow for his antics?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 02:40 GMT
#1621
D1 pushing bunnies hard on the vague Kenpachi rule, only soft pushing mderg D2 late in the day and hard gunning VE D3, and being the only one who found Lazermonkey town on a vague vote read.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 05:36 GMT
#1624
YKZ first yes?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 27 2014 22:33 GMT
#1628
On June 28 2014 02:38 Koshi wrote:
I am really sorry for my play this game. Won't happen ever again. New styles don't suit me. Don't know why I try them. Sad Koshi is sad.

Koshi how you feel about YKZ wanting to lynch you for a while now? Wanna lynch / bus him first?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 28 2014 04:04 GMT
#1639
##Vote YouKnowZhou

Chezinu plz
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 28 2014 07:03 GMT
#1642
So you are saying Koshi is the last scum? Why the switch to Release all of a sudden after going on about Koshi?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 28 2014 08:55 GMT
#1645
I think you are scum because there is insufficient reason as town as to why you want to lynch Release over Koshi. I did not ask why you think Release is scum, I asked specifically why you wanted to lynch Release specifically over Koshi. All your stuff on Release could have been pulled from before last cycle yet never brought up, and Koshi has done even less of anything yet you are willing to overlook him. The only thing that has changed is that it is currently LYLO, and a scum YKZ would have tremendous reason to do this, while a town YKZ would have none.

You somehow value the words of town LM, yet totally disdain the words of town VE or town Artanis, both of whom had suspicions on the LM / Koshi / YKZ trio. Furthermore, you were the only one who had a town read on LM on something random you pulled out of his filter which is terribly non alignment indicative, but you used that as a means of leverage.

You totally tunneled and got bunnies lynched, never engaging in a proper mderg discussion.

The time you do jump into the discussion is way way late into D2, in which it does indeed look like a bus. You have not put into consideration the D2 vote analysis with as nearly as much weight as you should have, given that as town you should have known that it was a hotly contested lynch D2, given votes at 5-5, and thus very unlikely that scum bussed. Of course, you cannot do this because you are in a predicament where everyone on your wagon beside me is actually dead. If it was indeed a bus, it would make more sense that Koshi is more suspect as scum would try to milk it properly. The way that Release placed his vote was very much fluid and not as premeditated as Koshi was.

You thoroughly antagonized and tunneled VE and ultimately got him lynched without heeding word of Artanis at all. Could be BH arrogance, but more likely scum BH pushing his agenda under such pretense.

Additionally is your blatant misinterpretation of D2 of Release's votes. He backed off because you were posting stuffs and mderg was not. If anything, the body of evidence you produce indicate that Release is more likely to be town than scum for it, but you are brazenly pushing the contrary.


Fact is BH, you play good scum. You play really good scum. As you would yourself admit. In fact, scum BH would do a tremendous job at potentially looking like town BH, or just outargue people with words and posts and feels (not necessarily logic) when that fails.

Chezinu basically confirmed town.

So leftover is Release and Koshi and you.

I don't know them too well, but I heavily doubt Release & Koshi's scum game are capable of what has been accomplished in this game by scum, and that's just on paper.

Bravo BH. Perhaps with more scum-capable players alive you could have swayed me. But this work could only have been done by you. Your reputation will be your demise.

-roll credits-

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 28 2014 08:57 GMT
#1646
-after credits scene-

It is dusk. People are packing up their stores and the town is coming to a sleep.

*clink* *clink* *clink*

A gruff cough accompanies the distant howling winds of the West.

"Oh, s-s-Sheriff, h-how do you do sir?" slOosh stammers, trying to haplessly conceal something from the cold, granite gaze.

With his shotgun, the Sheriff loosely gestures for slOosh to bring forth whatever it may be.

"Uhh it's j-just some notes I've been t-taking ... a-a-as a journalist for the town you s-see"

Another gesture.

Dusty eyes glide over the worn-out faded yellow cover. Pages are flipped, with the occasional pause.

The book is pocketed, as a deep crevice reveals itself in the Sheriff's face, a smirking smile filled with a combination of mild surprise, and a smidge of amusement.

"Interesting ideas you have here boy. It's been a while since last I've been suspected. I always figured you were one of the brighter ones. It's just a darn shame ... a darn shame ..." he drawls.

A flash. A groan. A thud.

*clink* *clink* *clink*

A silhouette shrinks into the landscape, trailed by the wisps of smoke from a freshly lit cigar.

"Just a darn shame"

The shot shifts to the collapsed figure of slOosh, bleeding profusely into the maw of the desert, ever thirsty, never discriminating.

With feeble hands and the last of his strength, slOosh reaches out and forges his final testament in the hopes that he would listen. Only he could do anything about it, and free the town from the horrors unknown, or rather, known too well.

And in the otherwise lifeless desert sand, almost still pulsing with lifeforce, lay slOosh's plea for justice

- Chezinu plz -
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