|
Though looking at his filter I don't understand how his read on mderg changed. Mderg hadn't posted that much and became scummier as time went on, yet his read changed from scum to town. Lazer, can you explain us how your read on YKZ and mderg evolved and why you voted for YKZ at the end?
|
SNICKERS STOP DEFENDING YOURSELF AND BE USEFUL
|
Going through mderg's filter further cements a VE and Snickers townread for me, as well as a townread on BH. I don't think scum would perpetuate a town-scum argument but rather deflect it as it's rarely good for them. Snickers got a bunch of heat from mderg despite not being his top suspect, and I don't think VE would throw mderg under the bus after goodkarma was probably shot in part for his mderg read.
|
Actually VE, I went through goodkarma's filter and he's not really suspecting mderg in my opinion. There were other people that he definitely pushed harder like BH and Release. Where do you get it from that he died because he was close to finding out mderg?
|
On June 21 2014 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Lazer, can you explain us how your read on YKZ and mderg evolved and why you voted for YKZ at the end?
|
slOosh, what's your current read on Release?
|
There is something that makes me think one of slOosh/YKZ is scum.
On June 21 2014 08:20 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
mderg, does the fact that no one other than Chezinu scumread VE after his case on you not give you pause to re-evaluate VE's lynch or ask questions about why other people aren't scumreading him? Why do you not care about your main scumread getting lynched and only drop in to vote for an easy lynch on Snickers now? I honestly never thought about asking why people are not scumreading him. I don´t think I´ve done something like that in any game so far. I really don´t think someone who has a convincing reason to not scumread someone would just keep quiet about it when a case is made. It´s not that I don´t care but I don´t think there´s any way he´s getting lynched today and he also didn´t post much of value today. So it´s impossible to bring anything new to the table. I also don´t think this is a vote for an easy lynch because it´s still kinda close between Snickers and bh and I think my vote may actually be of relevance. As scum it would probably be easier to just afk for the rest of the day and let the lynch progress, unless bh and me were both scum.Also @ bh: I never voted a townread.
I consider this something that he either slipped as momentum came crashing down upon him, or it's something scum planted to incriminate bh to capitalize on it later, which slOosh is doing. It looks so weird to just throw that out there.
|
On June 22 2014 07:05 YouKnowZhou wrote:
And you can criticize me all you want for lying about mderg to get him lynched, but as always, the ends justify the means. People claim I'm not a town leader, but the town lynches who I want to lynch, so clearly I am in charge here.
We lynched who I wanted to lynch though. Both times.
|
On June 22 2014 07:05 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, what's your current read on Release? Read him town on D1 since his first post as the first careful reading of the bunnies / YKZ interaction. D2 looks great as he was involved in discussions and has mentioned his thoughts on each of the relevant wagons as they developed.
I still have trouble reading him because of the lack of interaction though, and I don't like how he's still going after Snickers who is pretty much confirmed town. His filter is pretty difficult to read through but I guess he ended up on the right wagon so I can't be too critical.
|
On June 22 2014 07:15 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 07:05 YouKnowZhou wrote:
And you can criticize me all you want for lying about mderg to get him lynched, but as always, the ends justify the means. People claim I'm not a town leader, but the town lynches who I want to lynch, so clearly I am in charge here. We lynched who I wanted to lynch though. Both times. OK you get to be Prime Minister, but I'm clearly the President, cause I never made a post like this: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 05:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 21 2014 05:10 slOosh wrote:
Artanis, why don't you want to vote YKZ? I thought his case was pretty decent. I feel like my reads are utter shit this game though, so just gonna go and sheep you. ##Unvote
##Vote YouKnowZhou So one of us has shown great leadership (me) and is therefore clearly a member of the executive branch. I gotta give you credit for eventually doing my bidding and corralling votes, but my confidence and executive style really means I'm Mr. President.
If we're going to hold every bad post against players then you're going to end up being a janitor at best.
Also, I like that post slOosh. I'm warming up to the YKZ is scum idea but I'm going to need to reread a bit to get a few blank spots clear.
|
On June 22 2014 07:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm kinda amazed anyone thinks I'm scum tbh after being right on 2 lynches in a row
Do explain me how you were right on two lynches in a row when one of them flipped town.
|
On June 22 2014 07:52 Snickers wrote:
Also just calling that I am probably going to be targeted tonight.
I'm going to estimate the chance of this being similar to the chance of England winning this year's world cup.
|
On June 22 2014 07:58 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 07:52 Snickers wrote:
Also just calling that I am probably going to be targeted tonight. I'm going to estimate the chance of this being similar to the chance of England winning this year's world cup. Snickers is probably going to be targeted by... a cop check, or a vigi shot if for some reason we have one. But certainly not by scum.
No, no no no no no. Snickers is town. Cop checks or vigi shots would be wasted on him. There are much much better targets.
|
We should probably be quiet as the deadline has passed and all.
|
Woop woop.
From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2.
|
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case.
|
On June 22 2014 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Woop woop.
From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2. I tend to agree, though I can't just let go of the fact that he went absent during a scum lynch. What do you make of my observation right at the outset of N2, I'll quote to refresh ur memory. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I have been thinking about it lying in bed. If GK was killed for being so close to the truth where mderg is concerned, then I think a mafia BH would probably follow up the GK kill with a push on VE to ensure that mderg isn't targeted. A GK kill doesn't make sense followed up with a hard mderg push from a mafiaBH perspective I think. GK was getting suspicious of me before he was killed, so it makes sense from my perspective.
BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you.
I believe I need to refresh your memory.
On June 22 2014 02:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually VE, I went through goodkarma's filter and he's not really suspecting mderg in my opinion. There were other people that he definitely pushed harder like BH and Release. Where do you get it from that he died because he was close to finding out mderg?
On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town?
I'm not sure why you're confirmed town.
|
On June 22 2014 10:17 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? Chez ur on the table today. Unless you can coherently tell me why you're suspicious of...whoever, then I'd consider lynching you today. I thought you loved me... Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Woop woop.
From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2. I tend to agree, though I can't just let go of the fact that he went absent during a scum lynch. What do you make of my observation right at the outset of N2, I'll quote to refresh ur memory. On June 21 2014 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I have been thinking about it lying in bed. If GK was killed for being so close to the truth where mderg is concerned, then I think a mafia BH would probably follow up the GK kill with a push on VE to ensure that mderg isn't targeted. A GK kill doesn't make sense followed up with a hard mderg push from a mafiaBH perspective I think. GK was getting suspicious of me before he was killed, so it makes sense from my perspective.
BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you. I believe I need to refresh your memory. On June 22 2014 02:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually VE, I went through goodkarma's filter and he's not really suspecting mderg in my opinion. There were other people that he definitely pushed harder like BH and Release. Where do you get it from that he died because he was close to finding out mderg? On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? I'm not sure why you're confirmed town. Cause they said so.. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 03:01 Chezinu wrote:
I have looked at everyone posts and came to a conclusion.
People who think Chezinu is town:
2. VisceraEyes
3. YouKnowZhou
5. Snickers
7. Lazermonkey
8. Release
9. mderg
10. Artanis[Xp]
11. Koshi
12. slOosh
Chezinu is town
The mafia are never wrong when it comes to knowing who is town. They are too scared to risk stating that I am Mafia. So, I just your untypical lunatic. It's Great to be Confirmed Town!
I have never stated that I have a strong townread on you. I'm only mildly reading you as town because your votes have been in the right place in the end and because mderg has pushed you. You haven't really provided much so it's difficult for anyone to get a read on you, town or scum.
On June 22 2014 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Must have missed that. Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote:On June 17 2014 21:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 17 2014 20:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him.##Vote: mderg That´s some solid reasoning there. At least be specific in some way. Right now your case on me is basically that my post feels kinda scummy. Also I can assure you that it´s not all you get from me this cycle. "You may theoretically not post any more in this cycle, so I´m fine lynching you". Like you´re not even interested in my play and just want me lynched for starting the game a bit late. Overall a really lazy vote on me without much to back it up. Wait a minute. If his case on you is that your posts feel kinda scummy then it makes perfect sense. If you agree with his reasoning, however, is another story. It would make sense to read someone as scum, if his posts feel scummy. But that´s not why you vote someone. The case sucks because it´s highly subjective and has no real substance. I think making a case just based on a post feeling scummy is terrible. It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain. This was the post that solidified my read on mderg - he mentioned something I also noticed (and mentioned actually) and he ended up dying in the night. However beyond this you're right, at the end of the day he ended up on the "mderg town" side of things. :/ Frankly the only thing I can see GK being killed for is either a busted role-hunt or to implicate me somehow (he ended up scummy on me at the end of the day). Good to know.
Yeah, I don't think he was killed because he had a strong read on mderg. He might've simply been killed because his critical thinking was strong and I did explicitly point out a strong post of his, which might've cemented his fate. His death incriminates YKZ and Release more than you, I feel, as he was on their asses for more of the game.
On June 22 2014 10:19 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 18:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No Release, I'm desperate to give someone bonus points. Now stop focussing on Snickers, he's not scum. Your attention is better suited for just about anyone that isn't me/snickers/lazer. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 21 2014 21:14 Koshi wrote:
Artanis probably meant the mderg vote. If it brought Snickers in the lead it looks pretty good for Snickers. Snickers was on mderg his ass so mderg might have gotten greedy. Mderg didnt move to bh when he could, so why move to a teammate?
I am back condemned to phone posting for today.
My fav lynch for tomorrkw is VE or lazermonkey. I agree that the vote put it him the spotlight but it was so obviously extremely strange. I dont see why town would do it. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I think your lynch targets are bad though. Also, the town reasoning should be obvious; he thought YKZ was more scummy than mderg, so he tried to get YKZ lynched. Please explain like I'm 5 why Snickers (and you and lazer) were supposed to be confirmed town. Also, why lazer is no longer in such a position.
Snickers is confirmed town because Mderg delurked to vote him last minute which put him over the edge in votes.
I'm confirmed town because read the game.
Lazer was confirmed town because of his late vote that felt too scummy to be scum, but I'm rescinding that because other things in his filter ring some alarms that make me uncertain if that is true.
I'm going to bed now.
|
##vote Koshi
Placeholder until he starts playing. He was on the right wagon but that doesn't excuse his lack of content so far.
|
Actually wtf am I doing. I just opened Koshi's filter and he's up to three pages with some okay content. Shoulda prolly dond that first. Sorry kosher.
##unvote
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
