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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 04:21 GMT
#946
On June 23 2014 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
slOosh do you still think BH is mafia? Release does. And I think I'm rescinding his pass for his BS last night.

##Vote: YouKnowZhou

Uhh yes? Don't know what would make you think otherwise.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 04:24 GMT
#947
YKZ could I ask who your #2 scumread is?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:06 GMT
#1011
So I've given YKZ's case an honest read.

If my understanding is correct, this is what it is distilled down:
- VE said his preference for YKZ over mderg was based on what the wagons looked like. Namely town reads (slOosh, Release) on YKZ, not town reads (Snickers and YKZ) on mderg
- Towards the lynch deadline, a couple of votes shuffled around, such that Release and Snickers switched wagons
- VE stayed on mderg

Is a correct interpretation of what you are saying?


slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:10 GMT
#1013
Right, in which case I find the case quite weak. He was ok with both, and he used the people on the wagon as tiebreakers. Town could do that, scum could pretend to do that as town. Null.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:15 GMT
#1015
So you are left with something like YKZ, slOosh, Koshi and maybe Chez?

Let's lynch YKZ.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:24 GMT
#1022
Lazer, in 1 sentence, why am I scum?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:26 GMT
#1026
On June 24 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could lynch Koshi too. slOosh what say you about a Koshi lynch? Release? Is anyone that isn't a part of BH's Wrong Of The Month Club OPPOSED to a Koshi lynch?

I'm opposed because his read on Lazer's D2 apathy was spot on. I am planning on dialoguing with Lazermonkey right now to see what's going on here.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:28 GMT
#1029
On June 24 2014 04:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:24 slOosh wrote:
Lazer, in 1 sentence, why am I scum?

Short version:

Pushed all the wrong wagons, defended mderg for quite unclear reasons.

Could you sum up the case on mderg D1 in one sentence?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:32 GMT
#1032
Additionally, the point YKZ just made can be applied to himself as well.

Except I do want to lynch him :O
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:36 GMT
#1036
I don't like how Lazer keeps ditching whatever to get at Koshi.

He says I'm scum for being on the wrong wagon twice, but doesn't seem to consider that Koshi was on the correct wagon D2 the whole time.

All in all, lynching Lazermonkey > Koshi.

Thank you for your considerations.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:39 GMT
#1038
On June 24 2014 04:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:26 slOosh wrote:
On June 24 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could lynch Koshi too. slOosh what say you about a Koshi lynch? Release? Is anyone that isn't a part of BH's Wrong Of The Month Club OPPOSED to a Koshi lynch?

I'm opposed because his read on Lazer's D2 apathy was spot on. I am planning on dialoguing with Lazermonkey right now to see what's going on here.


I'm just saying this in case you and everyone else don't bother to check my filter accordingly: I did say that I was going to be very busy for 2-3 days before I was busy.

I'm not denying that my activity was poor as fuck during D2, I'm not denying that my reads were poor. I do know that I could've faked it all if I was scum. Try to keep what I said in mind before you vote me ONLY for sucking on D2 though. Feel free to vote me for other reasons though.

This post wasn't about you, it was about Koshi.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:40 GMT
#1039
On June 24 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
I don't like how Lazer keeps ditching whatever to get at Koshi.

He says I'm scum for being on the wrong wagon twice, but doesn't seem to consider that Koshi was on the correct wagon D2 the whole time.

All in all, lynching Lazermonkey > Koshi.

Thank you for your considerations.

So help a brotha out and vote for LM so we can maybe lynch scum today.

But I really want to lynch YKZ!

*kicks up dust*

##Unvote YouKnowZhou
##Vote Lazermonkey


Gonna take a brief break, be back in an hour or so. Will be here till deadline today (no FNM on mondays yo)
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:41 GMT
#1042
Also expecting two special packages, if you know what I mean. Or I guess 3? Like 3 related packages.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 19:44 GMT
#1045
On June 24 2014 04:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:28 slOosh wrote:
On June 24 2014 04:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
On June 24 2014 04:24 slOosh wrote:
Lazer, in 1 sentence, why am I scum?

Short version:

Pushed all the wrong wagons, defended mderg for quite unclear reasons.

Could you sum up the case on mderg D1 in one sentence?

I didn't vote mderg D1 so yhea...

Anyway, some form of mix of bad, wishy-washy reads, lurking and unlurking at the wrong moments.

Right, and how to you defend against that? You don't. It looks bad and that's that. I thought other things in his filter looked good so I defended him. So did Artanis. VE called me out for not addressing it, I offered a dialogue on specific points of interest. No one took me up on it.

I was wrong on mderg. How does that make me scum?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 21:19 GMT
#1098
On June 24 2014 05:55 YouKnowZhou wrote:
IMO, in a way Lazermo's saving grace is his utterly nonsensical vote on me:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote:
...

I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e.

##Unvote
##Vote: YKZ


There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here.

Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote.

That makes sense to me. I see that.

Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron.

So, this vote makes Lazermo town.

Or you're scum Lazermonkey, your vote will still look terrible on VE, and you vote YKZ to do the "oh scum wouldn't do that" maneuver. Or you're scum Lazermonkey, the votes are flying around and it isn't too clear what the votecounts are, so you do it because you think you can save mderg.

I mean, there's a lot more scenarios than the ones you display here.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 22:22 GMT
#1132
On June 24 2014 07:07 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 06:19 slOosh wrote:
On June 24 2014 05:55 YouKnowZhou wrote:
IMO, in a way Lazermo's saving grace is his utterly nonsensical vote on me:
On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote:
...

I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e.

##Unvote
##Vote: YKZ


There was NO CHANCE this vote would lynch me, based on when he made it. There's also no chance that this vote would possibly look good if he was scum. I could imagine town being like "w/e fuck it I'm voting who I want even if it makes no difference" but I can't imagine scum making such a boneheaded move. There's no chance to save mderg there, and if he's scum he knows mderg will flip scum. Why make a move like that? Sure, it's not like some amazing pro-town vote, especially since it's on me and not mderg, but look at the thought process here.

Imagine your'e Lazermo. You post a lot, you read the thread, but you're not particulariy "with it". You think YKZ is scum overt mderg, who is CLEARLY town. You try some shenannies onto like VE but that doesn't work out, and in the end you realize your vote will make no difference. Your townread, mderg, is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is your scumread, YKZ. It's too late. You can't do a thing. All you have left is a final act of defiance, futile defiance, but defiance nonetheless. You cast your worthless vote.

That makes sense to me. I see that.

Now, imagine you're scum Lazermo. Your scumbuddy mderg is getting lynched, and the counterwagon is a townie. Your vote is parked on VE, a nonconsequential wagon. You literally can't save mderg, and voting ykz will only make you look bad. Do you vote ykz? of course not! You're not a moron.

So, this vote makes Lazermo town.

Or you're scum Lazermonkey, your vote will still look terrible on VE, and you vote YKZ to do the "oh scum wouldn't do that" maneuver. Or you're scum Lazermonkey, the votes are flying around and it isn't too clear what the votecounts are, so you do it because you think you can save mderg.

I mean, there's a lot more scenarios than the ones you display here.


There is no "oh scum wouldn't do that" manoeuvre though, that's just wifom. You're just saying "this thing that only makes sense for a townie to do, makes sense for scum to do because it makes sense for a townie to do", but I'm talking about mindset here. Look, it's plausible that LM decided to do something insane that provides no tangible benefit, lots of potential downside, and plenty of potential getting-lynched-tomorrow-side, as scum, on the off chance we'd have this convo. Typically though, that's not how scum rolls.

And regarding vote count confusion, here's where the last vote count was: (link). Mderg had 5 votes, and I had 3.

Mderg votes me, bringing me up to 4. Then LM votes me, bringing me up to 5, at the last second, and sincee mderg hit 5 first, mderg is lynched. Now, it's possible LM was a confused scum, but the only other vote that happened in the final 10 minutes of the game was Mderg's. If Mderg and LM were scum together, Mderg and LM would be in the QT and Mderg would say something like "ok, I just voted for YKZ. If we can get one more townie to vote YKZ, you can hammer and we can kill him."

LM as scum would be keenly aware of the votecount. It's still possible that he got confused anyways, or he thought another townie had voted when in fact they hadn't, but the final 10 mintues were not actually confusing at all. 10 minutes before the lynch, it's 5-3. Mderg votes me, making it 5-4, 9 minutes before the lynch, and nobody votes until the very deadline, where LM brings it to 5-5 and mderg is flipped.

I think both scenarios are possible, but not likely.

On June 21 2014 09:00 YouKnowZhou wrote:
read lazermo's filter if i die now

On a clean reread sure things are clear, but at the time it may not have been, as evidenced by this post here. You wouldn't post this unless you were actually considering that you could die.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 22:26 GMT
#1134
Shoot is it Koshi not Lazer? Man....
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 22:31 GMT
#1139
What is latevote?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 23:01 GMT
#1157
... game is hard.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 23 2014 23:08 GMT
#1161
Think about how hard it is to lynch YKZ. Then subtract a VE. Game is hard.
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