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On June 23 2014 06:13 slOosh wrote:
How do you find YKZ town?
The fact that he was the counterwagon to a scum. Some hours before the lynch yesterday there were alot of possible counter-wagons (both VE and Snickers seemed like possible alternatives midday. Even Koshi had a couple of votes on him at times). Yet he kept pushing mderg as his MAIN scum read.
While it is obviously theoritically possible that YKZ decided to buss mderg hard as fuck, I have a very hard time seeing it. Scum busses dudes, sure. But its very rare to see them lead the push against their scum bro especially when there are several possible alternatives.
I mean look at the mderg wagon before the YKZ-case. It was non-existant.
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On June 23 2014 06:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Lazer, one interesting tidbit in that is that once we switched to Snickers, BH became complacent about whether Snickers or mderg should be lynched and even resisted switching back to mderg at first. It wasn't a very strong kind of resistance, but resistance nonetheless.
Which makes alot of sense given that YKZ is town don't you think?
I understand that there is a possibility that YKZ is scum and it was a clear exaggeration to say that YKZ was "110% town!". Yet it does become hard to justify a YKZ scum read. It seems like you and SlOosh are implying that there is a possibilty that YKZ is scum. But I see very little evidence that YKZ actually is scum. And even less that would make him a better alternative than SlOosh, VE or Koshi aka players that have done real scummy stuff.
How do you explain why he started pushing the case against mderg so hard when there was many other possible targets?
How do you explain that the restistance wasn't bigger for switching back to mderg?
Etc.
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On June 23 2014 06:42 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Oh come on I was willing to lynch whoever as long as out wasn't me. The guy I resisted lynching was VE
EBWOP: This is also a very good point.
Explain why YKZ was so reluctant to vote for VE? He had a golden opportunity when they were throwing thrash at each others. This doesn't look like scum that wants to survive. This looks like town that wants to find scum.
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On June 23 2014 06:51 Koshi wrote:
Wait. Where did I do scummy stuff Lazermonkey?
Are you playing dumb? Read my filter.
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On June 23 2014 07:02 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 06:54 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 23 2014 06:51 Koshi wrote:
Wait. Where did I do scummy stuff Lazermonkey? Are you playing dumb? Read my filter. There is literally nothing in your filter about me doing scummy things. Are we still on the fact I did nothing on N1? Or D1 when I just replaced into a game? And what did you do? In 2 days your super mega case you promised is "VE voted wrong guys, he scum".
I'm done talking to you. You are at best a terrible townie
For everyone else though, you shall have a Koshi-compilation.
-Votes Bunnies without any reasoning.
-Doesn't push scum for 72 hours.
-Says I'm scum but doesn't push me.
Koshi is effectively avoiding all sorts of combat in this game. Even now he just says that I haven't said anything scummy about him. But he is so afraid to call me scum. He attacks my arguments but what does he want? If he wants to kill me (which you would think by looking at his vote) then why is saying all this to me? Is he trying to convince me that I am wrong? If he really thinks that I am scum then there is no need for that, then he knows that I'm making this all up anyway.
Koshi doesn't want to kill scum. He just wants to survive.
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On June 23 2014 07:17 slOosh wrote:
So Lazer, mderg started N1 / D2 with scum reads on VE and Snickers, and that's what he went with. Could you explain your interpretation of this scum strategies?
I'm not scum so I can obviously just guess here.
I have already explained why I don't think its very unlikely that VE and mderg were scum bros. And why is Snickers even relevant here? He was suspected by many during D1-D2.
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On June 23 2014 07:45 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:34 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 23 2014 07:17 slOosh wrote:
So Lazer, mderg started N1 / D2 with scum reads on VE and Snickers, and that's what he went with. Could you explain your interpretation of this scum strategies? I'm not scum so I can obviously just guess here. I have already explained why I don't think its very unlikely that VE and mderg were scum bros. And why is Snickers even relevant here? He was suspected by many during D1-D2. It was one directional, it that you explained why VE's actions fit a VE mderg scum team. I'm asking how mderg's actions, namely voting VE, makes sense in a VE mderg scum team.
I think you are putting way too much emphasize on scum relations. mderg did indeed vote VE. Maybe this was to distance himself from VE. Maybe he just wanted to look like he was contributing. Maybe something else. Mderg didn't push VE for shit though so I really don't see any problems with them being on the same team.
I have seen scum partners do far far wackier things.
Going to bed now. See you tomorrow.
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On June 23 2014 07:44 VisceraEyes wrote:What are the main points against me? Are they here in Artanis' post? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 23 2014 05:03 Snickers wrote:
.... I specifically said what makes him scum.
4 lines? Lol I would say that is a weak case when we are 45 pages into the game.
If you really want four lines here it is.
Ve has multiple times taken credit for things he has not done and has not pushed the thread forward with his own original posts. Also his interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town.
If you think wordiness is what makes a case strong or weak you have a lot to learn about this game. Syllogism himself mentioned somehing similar and he's considered possibly the best town player of TL. The idea is that you have to have a very concrete reason for why someone is scum, the rest is just supporting evidence and not quite as important. It's those four lines that you push your case on and elaborate when you have the attention of others. You've mentioned three things: -Taking credit for things he hasn't done -Hasn't pushed the thread forward with his own original posts -His interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town. I can now assess whether I agree with that read by going through his filter myself, and I can consider if I think those things make VE scum. I'll do that later. ...because if so, then I'll address them here. 1) I've never taken credit for things I haven't done. Any credit I've tried to take has been for things I've done. If you can point to posts where I'm doing this, then I'll kindly point to the post that shows me doing the thing I'm taking credit for. This point is false. 2) I've pushed the thread forward as much as I can whenever I can. Even though my play can be described as lackadaisical D1, I maintain that I clearly elucidated my intentions that cycle and indeed attempted to get a good lynch with what little posting time I did have. And while it's true that my vote ended up on the not-flipped-scum on D2, during that whole cycle I did nothing to dissuade votes on mderg and indeed pointed out several times that I was absolutely fine with mderg eating a lynch instead of who my vote was on. I've been pushing a pro-town agenda all game, and to say that I haven't pushed the thread forward with my own original posts is false. 3) This is your own personal opinion that is colored by your bias that you think I'm mafia. However because I'm town I know that this point is also indeed false because I set nothing up with mderg to "prove" I'm town.
I cannot speak for others but theese are my main issues with you:
-You say that Bunnies is "supertown" yet you do nothing to defend her once she is up the blocks.
-You make your case on mderg but have no follow up. You say that you think both mderg and YKZ is scum yet you ONLY push YKZ. Its like you want to keep both doors open insted of taking an active stance.
-You were one of the main components in the YKZ-wagon.
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I love how Release here-is-why-you-shouldn't-vote-for-SlOosh post basically goes something like this:
He did alot of good things D1 like
-Bla
-Blablabla
-bLaBLaBLaBLaBLA
-etc
and he did the same D2 and D3.
This is not how you evaluate if someone is scum or not. You don't even mention the fact that SlOosh was the dude that soft defended mderg through all of D1 and D2.
You don't even mention how he, during D1, never said anything in particular about what made him think mderg wasn't a possible lynch candidate other than "his posts are consistent". Yet he never says why they are consistent.
During D2 he claims that the mderg case has some merit but that he still doesn't want to lynch him because his posts are "consistent". Also mention that his meta is wishy washy but never displays an example of that.
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Dead thread is dead.
Snickers, you need to come out straight and say what you think of me. I'm a a very possible candidate for todays lynch. You are being insanely wish-washy saying that you thought I was town before and stating that alot of people think that I'm scummy and that I made a scummy move and what not. All this is cool but you are avoiding to speak out your true intentions.
What do you think of me? Am I scum/town? And why do you think that I'm scum/town.
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@Koshi
You are at last starting to make a bit of sense. Could you, using your own words, try to explain exactly what in BHs case that is appealing to you and why that makes VE more likely scum than me?
@Snickers
You are likely not scum but the fact that you make several long posts regarding my alignment without reaching any conclusion is... worrysome. The lynch is in just a few hours and you really haven't taken a clear stance Yet.
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On June 24 2014 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 23:26 Lazermonkey wrote:I hereby declare that I am no longer busy! I will first and foremost try to reread D2 and update all my reads. On June 21 2014 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Lazer, can you explain us how your read on YKZ and mderg evolved and why you voted for YKZ at the end? My reads didn't really evolve much during the day, sadly. Because I was so stubborn and lacked time I kinda kept my reads exactly the same as they were N1. I explained during N1 that I was slightly suspicious of YKZ and that I was uncertain on mdergs alignment at the time but I was leaning town on him. This is obviously a very satisfying answer but thats why I voted mderg over YKZ. Did you read the entire thread before you made that vote or were you strapped for time? And why did you talk about "between snickers and VE" when the vote was never between those two? SNIP
I really only skimmed through the thread D2. I read all the post but I didn't have time to reread anything or to check any filters which I normally would. The reason I said between VE and snickers was because my impression was that it was between those two the lynch was going to be. However, just about when I wrote that the mderg swap was going. I didn't notice it untill right before deadline hence my late vote switch.
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On June 23 2014 23:57 Snickers wrote:
I do not think i made a long post about your alignment. Day 2 I made a post mentioning I read you as town. Then I told release I still thought you were town but I would look into it. I knew people were calling you scum for voting the first time I read your filter. It is worries me that your asking me questions that take time when I am super busy, almost like you planned that. I did say I would not consolidate on you but I have already switch my consolidate post to I would not lynch Release, unless he did the biggest scum slip.
First off, if you are really busy and think my posts are relevant don't answer them. I never forced you to do anything. Don't try to make me look bad because I actually try to figure out your intentions.
Note the bolded parts, you were talking awfully much about me yesterday, yet failed to come to a conclusion. This is wishy-washy.
On June 23 2014 15:03 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 14:49 Release wrote:On June 23 2014 12:23 Snickers wrote:
Release can you comment on Lazer Monkey's posting? I think somebody already did but I would like to hear your thoughts.
Also when you say "guys" whoever else thought that Sloosh was mafia. That seems really suspicious.
Also Release can you comment on the goodkarma kill? Do you even think it has merit?
See above, and if you are too lazy, I feel like he's grasping at straws, casting suspicion and trying to see what sticks.
I thought Artanis commented earlier but I just wanted to catchall. Think of it what you will.I think the goodkarma kill was to kill someone not involved in controversy/chaos, a situation in which the majority of the us were. He attacked me and YKZ early in the day before focusing on VE. At that point, he hadn't said too much except this On June 18 2014 08:32 goodkarma wrote:
##Vote: VE
It's pretty clear he's not interested in keeping up with this game and is spewing whatever comes off the top of his head. Not clearly scum-aligned thought process, but a clear liability. And there's also that he lied about his history, which is pretty durned scummy. . There is the possibility that mafia silenced him before he could say more, but I'm more inclined to believe the first sentence in this paragraph. And for a note: I'm reading VE similarly to mderg, in that I feel his posts are somewhat suspicious but understandable in accordance with a town agenda. Also, the blatant meaning of his words do not nearly indicate as much mafia as mderg's did. Yeah and I'll leave this here until something new comes up: ##Vote LazermonkeyOn June 23 2014 15:20 Snickers wrote:
Release and YKZ if you are still around. What do you make of the day one posts. Sloosh highlighted the alignment of players. I do not think all of mafia would of been on 27nb. So i think it is very likely that, not to call you out but release lazermonkey or ve is scum. So it is obvious i think Ve is the most likely out of the mentioned three. Release is most likely not. As with lazermonkey, I read his filter and I thought it looked townie, somebody just mentioned he was playing well day one then dropped off day two or vice versa.
So you most def do not want me to harp VE. If you have not yet, look at my post where I comment on where mderg says "honestly". I think mderg slipped so much with words it may have clued us in on other scum. Are you saying the bold is scummy because I do not really see it. Am i casting suspicion on you or on LazerMonkey? If you want the truth to why I asked that i will tell you but I would rather wait till after the lynch since I think VE is getting it. I will tell you why I asked the goodkarma thing though. I think you are a good player (as in knowledgeable not alignment) after reading multiple peoples' filters. Also I will read your filter to see where this LazerMonkey vote came from. I think I remember something about his votes day two being brought up.
On June 23 2014 15:20 Snickers wrote:
Release and YKZ if you are still around. What do you make of the day one posts. Sloosh highlighted the alignment of players. I do not think all of mafia would of been on 27nb. So i think it is very likely that, not to call you out but release lazermonkey or ve is scum. So it is obvious i think Ve is the most likely out of the mentioned three. Release is most likely not. As with lazermonkey, I read his filter and I thought it looked townie, somebody just mentioned he was playing well day one then dropped off day two or vice versa.
So you most def do not want me to harp VE. If you have not yet, look at my post where I comment on where mderg says "honestly". I think mderg slipped so much with words it may have clued us in on other scum.
On June 23 2014 15:29 Snickers wrote:
Yea so Release is looking very town to me now. Day one votes I was saying it was scummy for him not to consolidate, but now that it has flipped mderg as mafia (or now that I am reading more clearly), it would mean mafia decided to not choose a defensive backing. It also made release look initially scummy. So I made quite the fallacy by putting release on the same level of scrutiny as Ve and LazerMonkey.
On June 23 2014 15:38 Snickers wrote:
At this point, let not forget the possibility that LazerMonkey and Ve are both scum. I feel like we are starting to say One or the other. So Ykz, you think his anger was weird, I think his plea of do not let YKZ let you think this way and do not talk yourself into thinking I am mafia was weird.
On June 23 2014 16:24 Snickers wrote:
I get you/lazer/ve as in the five people that did not vote 27nb was me you lazer ve and 27nb. Mderg voted 27nb so assuming that mafia do not vote together. Now I am not scum so I left me out of it. Left 27nb out because she flipped vt. So that left you/lazer/ve . I posted after that post how I think you should not be put on the same level as lazer/ve since they voted mderg while you voted YKZ.
My opinion on Lazer is that I went through his filter and I read him as town. I was not around when the final voting was happening so I am kinda confused on what happened. So far I have that Lazer did something very scummy last minute. It seems like a lot of people agree with it (more than two) so I just believe it was.
I should probably reread his filter because I only had him and Chezinu as just plain town (as in not good town or bad town). I can probably do better with LazerMonkey but probably not with Chezinu. I do not think it is possible to say chezinu is good or bad town just different.
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Going to respond to Release post.
On June 23 2014 05:59 Lazermonkey wrote:So after rereading almost all of D2-D3 I have come to the following conclusions. YKZ is 110% town. The remaining two scum are found among VE, SlOosh and Koshi. However, while I stated that SlOosh was my top scum a few posts ago I have changed my mind. I still do think SlOosh is suspicious but that has more to do with him pushing ALL the wrong wagons and putting up some quite weak reasoning for not voting mderg. He says that he doesn't like the wagon and he keeps saying that mdergs posts are "consistent" but he never explain what is so consistent with his posts. Koshi is still a scum read of mine. Not really going to repeat why I think that though, just look at my filter. My top scum read atm is Ve though. @Artanis and all other non-believers in VEs scumminess: VE sure made a case on mderg D1. But look at his follow-up to that case. Practically non-existant. And look at the vote count at time where VE left the thread: Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 08:03 OnceKing wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: 27ninjabunnies (5): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, goodkarma, Chezinu YouKnowZhou (1): Release VisceraEyes (2): Lazermonkey, slOosh mderg (2): Snickers, VisceraEyes Currently Not Voting (2): Koshi, 27ninjabunnies
Currently 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched with 5 votes! Day will end in
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An mderg lynch is highly unlikely at this point making his vote on mderg not risky at all. Back to why VE is scum though: First off, we have the fact that VE drops case on mderg and puts a vote on him D1. But doesn't push him. And not only does he not push him. He does not try to defend Bunnies at all despite claiming that Bunnies was "supertown". Not only that but also keeps mentioning how he has both YKZ and mderg as his top scum reads yet he only keeps pushing YKZ. Convinient, huh? ##Vote: VE
I find this really weird because I see neither a strong nor even a weak case for sloOsh in your filter. There's this gem On June 23 2014 02:59 Lazermonkey wrote:
SlOosh (reponse to Koshi's "give me your top scumread") but I don't really see where this comes from. In fact since day2, you've been flip-flopping like a bass, a very mafia bass. It seems like SloOsh has just been thrown into that list for the sake of adding an extra town as a suspect. Makes me feel like Lazer is starting to grasp at straws.[/QUOTE]
The reason my read came from nowhere is because I reread 20 pages of this game. Given all the info we have now that we didn't have D1 or D2 (most importantly, we know that mderg was scum) I don't think that it is strange nor scummy to call out a new player for being scummy. I was going to write about why I thought SlOosh was scum and I also did later on. The reason I said that SlOosh was my top scum read was simply because Koshi was asking who my top scum read was.
You mention that I am flip-flopping and I agree. This is usually how I play. Why is it scummy to be reevaluate reads? Would you rather want me to tunne the shit out of some dude?
You also mention I am grasping at straws. I don't see where I am grasping at straws but even if we pretend I do, how does is make me scum and not bad town?
On June 23 2014 15:20 Release wrote:
VE has always been on of my candidates for mafia outside you. Although you disagree, I don' think he has done anything blatantly mafia and therefore he has only remained a candidate, and not worthy of a vote. Lazer on the other hand when I revisited his filter went from strong town Day 1 to useless D2 and D3, which pushes him ahead of VE, and snickers. I'll leave this here while I visit address your case.
I will not dispute that I was useless D2. I have, however, been very active D3. And by being useless, do you mean that I am lurky? Or not contributing. Please be more clear about why the stuff I do makes me scum.
Overall, it seems like you aren't even considering my actions from a town PoV. You are WIFOMing reasons to justify your vote on me. If you are town, and you likely are as I see it, then take a step back and try to have an open mind when you figure out what alignment I have.
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EBWOP: Fixed my quotes.
On June 23 2014 08:32 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:59 Lazermonkey wrote:So after rereading almost all of D2-D3 I have come to the following conclusions. YKZ is 110% town. The remaining two scum are found among VE, SlOosh and Koshi. However, while I stated that SlOosh was my top scum a few posts ago I have changed my mind. I still do think SlOosh is suspicious but that has more to do with him pushing ALL the wrong wagons and putting up some quite weak reasoning for not voting mderg. He says that he doesn't like the wagon and he keeps saying that mdergs posts are "consistent" but he never explain what is so consistent with his posts. Koshi is still a scum read of mine. Not really going to repeat why I think that though, just look at my filter. My top scum read atm is Ve though. @Artanis and all other non-believers in VEs scumminess: VE sure made a case on mderg D1. But look at his follow-up to that case. Practically non-existant. And look at the vote count at time where VE left the thread: On June 18 2014 08:03 OnceKing wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: 27ninjabunnies (5): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, goodkarma, Chezinu YouKnowZhou (1): Release VisceraEyes (2): Lazermonkey, slOosh mderg (2): Snickers, VisceraEyes Currently Not Voting (2): Koshi, 27ninjabunnies
Currently 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched with 5 votes! Day will end in
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An mderg lynch is highly unlikely at this point making his vote on mderg not risky at all. Back to why VE is scum though: First off, we have the fact that VE drops case on mderg and puts a vote on him D1. But doesn't push him. And not only does he not push him. He does not try to defend Bunnies at all despite claiming that Bunnies was "supertown". Not only that but also keeps mentioning how he has both YKZ and mderg as his top scum reads yet he only keeps pushing YKZ. Convinient, huh? ##Vote: VE I find this really weird because I see neither a strong nor even a weak case for sloOsh in your filter. There's this gem (reponse to Koshi's "give me your top scumread") but I don't really see where this comes from. In fact since day2, you've been flip-flopping like a bass, a very mafia bass. It seems like SloOsh has just been thrown into that list for the sake of adding an extra town as a suspect. Makes me feel like Lazer is starting to grasp at straws. The reason my read came from nowhere is because I reread 20 pages of this game. Given all the info we have now that we didn't have D1 or D2 (most importantly, we know that mderg was scum) I don't think that it is strange nor scummy to call out a new player for being scummy. I was going to write about why I thought SlOosh was scum and I also did later on. The reason I said that SlOosh was my top scum read was simply because Koshi was asking who my top scum read was.
You mention that I am flip-flopping and I agree. This is usually how I play. Why is it scummy to be reevaluate reads? Would you rather want me to tunne the shit out of some dude?
You also mention I am grasping at straws. I don't see where I am grasping at straws but even if we pretend I do, how does is make me scum and not bad town?
On June 23 2014 15:20 Release wrote:
VE has always been on of my candidates for mafia outside you. Although you disagree, I don' think he has done anything blatantly mafia and therefore he has only remained a candidate, and not worthy of a vote. Lazer on the other hand when I revisited his filter went from strong town Day 1 to useless D2 and D3, which pushes him ahead of VE, and snickers. I'll leave this here while I visit address your case.
I will not dispute that I was useless D2. I have, however, been very active D3. And by being useless, do you mean that I am lurky? Or not contributing. Please be more clear about why the stuff I do makes me scum.
Overall, it seems like you aren't even considering my actions from a town PoV. You are WIFOMing reasons to justify your vote on me. If you are town, and you likely are as I see it, then take a step back and try to have an open mind when you figure out what alignment I have.
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On June 24 2014 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 18:58 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 23 2014 07:44 VisceraEyes wrote:What are the main points against me? Are they here in Artanis' post? On June 23 2014 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 23 2014 05:03 Snickers wrote:
.... I specifically said what makes him scum.
4 lines? Lol I would say that is a weak case when we are 45 pages into the game.
If you really want four lines here it is.
Ve has multiple times taken credit for things he has not done and has not pushed the thread forward with his own original posts. Also his interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town.
If you think wordiness is what makes a case strong or weak you have a lot to learn about this game. Syllogism himself mentioned somehing similar and he's considered possibly the best town player of TL. The idea is that you have to have a very concrete reason for why someone is scum, the rest is just supporting evidence and not quite as important. It's those four lines that you push your case on and elaborate when you have the attention of others. You've mentioned three things: -Taking credit for things he hasn't done -Hasn't pushed the thread forward with his own original posts -His interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town. I can now assess whether I agree with that read by going through his filter myself, and I can consider if I think those things make VE scum. I'll do that later. ...because if so, then I'll address them here. 1) I've never taken credit for things I haven't done. Any credit I've tried to take has been for things I've done. If you can point to posts where I'm doing this, then I'll kindly point to the post that shows me doing the thing I'm taking credit for. This point is false. 2) I've pushed the thread forward as much as I can whenever I can. Even though my play can be described as lackadaisical D1, I maintain that I clearly elucidated my intentions that cycle and indeed attempted to get a good lynch with what little posting time I did have. And while it's true that my vote ended up on the not-flipped-scum on D2, during that whole cycle I did nothing to dissuade votes on mderg and indeed pointed out several times that I was absolutely fine with mderg eating a lynch instead of who my vote was on. I've been pushing a pro-town agenda all game, and to say that I haven't pushed the thread forward with my own original posts is false. 3) This is your own personal opinion that is colored by your bias that you think I'm mafia. However because I'm town I know that this point is also indeed false because I set nothing up with mderg to "prove" I'm town. I cannot speak for others but theese are my main issues with you: - You say that Bunnies is "supertown" yet you do nothing to defend her once she is up the blocks.- You make your case on mderg but have no follow up. You say that you think both mderg and YKZ is scum yet you ONLY push YKZ. Its like you want to keep both doors open insted of taking an active stance. - You were one of the main components in the YKZ-wagon. 1) I was absent during the main pushes of her lynch. This is the least active day of mine and this is evident in the thread. I can't push something when I'm not looking at the thread, similarly I can't push /against/ something if I'm not looking at the thread. 2) There's followup. I give reasoning for thinking he's susupicious (you may not like the amount, but it's there) and I ask a couple of times where votes are/why people aren't voting. Pretty standard "I don't have time to actually push here, but I think you should be lynching X" stuff D1. On D2, I make a case (which Snickers will tell you is his case, but I made it not even knowing Snickers was SUSPICIOUS of mderg) and yes, I vote for BH. But my active, stated stance is "I like both of these lynches". That is explicit in my posts, that's the active stance I take. It's not that I don't WANT to make a choice between them, it's that I don't have to because I think they both scum. 3) This is true, and unless you think BH is like supertown (lol) then I don't know what the problem is. Ultimately your case boils down to you don't like my playstyle, which is NOT news, we've had friction before I think. However if you're on my team this game, you should really move your vote off me and onto BH.
1. Your last post of D1 was when Bunnies had 5 votes, by far the most of any lynch candidate. I know you weren't there during the actual lynch but you spend your last couple of post mocking against other players instead of defending Bunnies.
2. I'm not denying that you are saying that mderg is scum. You do that a few times. But for someone who is absolutely neutral with who to lynch between YKZ and mderg you make like zero attempt to get mderg lynched and a big attempt to make YKZ lynched.
3. I guess this boils down to how you interpret the D2. I think this makes you scum because I think YKZ is town but for anyone who disagrees with this you can disregard this argument.
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On June 24 2014 01:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) While this is true, it doesn't make me scum nor would I spend my posts doing this if I were scum. WIFOM or whatever, but I'm just sayin.
2) I don't think coming in and poking fun at the way BH is reacting to things a "big attempt". Basically it was just me coming into the thread and reaffirming that I was on the right lynch. I never made ANY attempt to pull votes OFF mderg, which is the tack you have to think I was going for, but that's not what I did and that's not the effect of my "push" on BH. I made it clear that I wanted to lynch both of them.
3) Okay I'll disregard because subjective.
LM if you're town you REALLY have to not vote for me here. I don't know if BH is scum, but I DO know that he's wrong about me. I'm town, and I THINK BH is scum. If I'm wrong whatever, that's fine. But I KNOW FOR A FACT that he's wrong about me and you should not lynch me.
Hmm.
I will not vote for YKZ over you. It won't happend. I could prehaps get behind a Koshi or SlOosh lynch though.
@Everyone else: Is it only me or does this feel like geniune frustration comming from a townie? I also find it hard to understand why VE would be so reluctant to push me if he would be scum. If he was town, however, it makes much more sense.
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On June 24 2014 02:13 Snickers wrote:
So ve is talking about activity but the main point is hid activity pushing the game forward or not doing anything or defending himself. He is saying day two was when he was least active and if memory serves me right , that was the day no one was voting him or the day where he was least likely to get lynched. Now it seems like he is just defending himself which release said is scummy.
Anyway Lazermonkey last time I'm saying something about this. All those posts I was saying you were town with the possibility of you being scum. I was saying lets not make associations like everyone hates and goes on a witch hunt for. Every person that has not flipped is possible for scum.
What is the case on sloosh? Did I misss something ? (Requesting four lines or less) . He and koshi are my top town reads.
Snickers, your reads are so fucked up. Why is SlOosh and Koshi your top two town reads? Read my filter, I've explained why I think both of those two are really scummy. Explain why you disagree with my conclusions.
And if what you meant with all those posts was that I COULD be scum then Lol. This is super obvious shit. Why would you even write down and post that? But w/e. No point in discussing that. You still haven't said what your stance on me is though. Have you had your lunch yet?
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On June 24 2014 03:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I agree that VE sounds pretty townie, but it's lacking in capslock. Capslock is VE's town seal.
Then the questions is: who are you willing to lynch instead? Have you looked into SlOosh/Koshi?
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On June 24 2014 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 24 2014 03:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I agree that VE sounds pretty townie, but it's lacking in capslock. Capslock is VE's town seal. Then the questions is: who are you willing to lynch instead? Have you looked into SlOosh/Koshi? I really don't know right now. My reads tend to be shaped throughout all the interactions in the game but it feels like everyone's suspecting everyone right now which really messes up my compass of where to look. There's so much fluff and non-alignment related things filling up conversation that it's hard to motivate myself to read through it critically.
Reading through everything is unnecessary though. But I think both SlOosh and Koshi are realistic lynches, a decent amount of people have expressed that they are suspcious in some way, shape or form of these two.
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