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Lazermonkey
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Thing is: bad reasoning isn't alignment indicative so I don't really know what to think of him. The fact that he is so open about his thought makes my lean towards him being town still though. | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:22 Koshi wrote: You mention 3 namnes, ask them a few questions and thats it. Based on this post (the post you were refering to): The 3 I named are my best guesses for scum. Scum never votes together. And you look pretty town. Just go from there. On June 18 2014 23:44 Koshi wrote: VE. Why did you decide to not make a comprehensible and nice looking case on mderg while you were willing to make a nice structured case on Sloosh? Snickers. How do you scumhunt? Tell me how you came to the release vote and mderg vote. What did they do that made them scummy? I don't understand your case on Release. Mderg is scum for you because he voted while not being 100% sure? That's not how it works dude... Also, what do you mean with "ratio of supposed scuminess to actual scuminnes seems high". Where did you get this from? Release. The entire game you talk about BH and bunnies, but never did you conclude that bunnies was town from all of this, null at best. But then right before the lynch you ask the entire thread to "revisit" the bunnies vs BH argument. Why? Bunnies was just null to you from this argument and all the cases from Artanis and BH had nothing to do with the bunnies vs BH argument. I have a really hard time to understand why you even think they were scum. For example, what is it with VE not making a case on mderg that incriminates him? It does make him a hypocrite, I'll give you that but I don't see how it indicates scum. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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I do agree with that he is focusing on very small things. But is that alignment indicative? | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:51 Snickers wrote: You are an idiot or scum if you can't "see" the scum in mderg's first post. First off saying there is a chance you are only going to contribute one post to day one. This shows his terrible interest in this game. Then he tries to say he votes to prevent mod kill. Id rather him be modkilled than him help lynch someone because he felt a slight scum. You guys must have played so many games of mafia you cannot think logically. I used to think like you. then a took a massive amounts of misslynches to my knee. Truth of the matter is as simple as bad play=/=scum play. You can point out a billion things that are bad for town. But unless you display how that play is a good play for scum, the play is not alignment indicative. A super easy example is lurking. Lurking is obviously bad for town. But a scum that lurks is also very likely to get noticed because of his lown number of posts. Thus its impossible to tell that someone is scum just by looking at their number of posts. On June 19 2014 04:51 Snickers wrote:I cannot believe no one mentioned this aspect of this game. 27nb had the same principles in her posts from the start. Confused, emotional, silly. So has ykz. Cocky , deceiving, focused. We know 27nb was town. If ykz is mafia he is very good at it. Even after the proof that he was wrong or was lying. He perfectly continues his principals after the lynch. Release on the other hand had been inconsistent with his principals. He seems aggressive than passive. Reactionary than static. I think it should be looked into. I won't be able to post or read until six hours from now. I will look at be (whoever name keeps getting mentioned). I still don't see it. Why is breaking against your principles a scum trait? If anyting, I'd say it displays a town mindset by being willing to change your standpoint and not being afraid of it. | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:57 Snickers wrote: And yea I do know most of my shit. I may not know terms but I still knew lylo was a phase at the end of the game. Also look at this. Release said talking about pros was bad. I said I did not see it. Then agreed because talking about pr is the same way we try to find scum. It is logical. I still think he is wrong tho cause I never said 27nb is vigilante. I was talking about prs in general not specific to a person. I really don't understand what the point that you're trying to make is. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 19 2014 05:16 mderg wrote: No examples for that, just a general impression. His general play doesn´t look like newbie play to me. I think it´s more likely to come from scum since it gets suspicion on people without actually getting behind their play. It´s also relatively easy to find "scummy" things that way but I don´t think it really helps to figure out alignments. Well I do think he looks like a newbie but w/e. That's not relevant. I can see a scum motive, for sure. But this to me could just as well be a stubborn townie tunneling a guy. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I know you gave reasoning. But when the day was about to end these are your post nothing about Bunnies. In fact, the only time you mention Bunnies is super early in the game, the post where you call him supertown. I did - I gave reasoning for thinking mderg was mafia and espoused a very clear townread of the counterwagon. You can disagree with the degree, but the actions are here in this thread for all to see. At the time of your last post before lynch it was obvious that Bunnies was a strong candidate for the lynch. Yet you do nothing to make people change their minds about her. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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I'm probably going to be less active the comming 2-3 days. But for now VE and Koshi are my top scum reads. I'm giving Koshi a minor benefit of the doubt because he entered the game yesterday. I think Snickers is a confused townie. I could be wrong about this but since I feel that there is a certain possibility that he will get lynched tomorrow and I urge everyone to question what his motives really are. Mderg I'm uncertain on. Leaning confused town here as well. Slightly suspicious of YKZ. Slightly suspicious of Chezinu. Artanis and goodkarma seems quite townie. SlOosh and Release I am pretty certain are town. | ||
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If there are any questions, just ask. | ||
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On June 20 2014 06:21 YouKnowZhou wrote: You note that you're only slightly suspicious of me. However, I successfully pushed a mislynch all D1 basically to the exclusion of giving any other reads of substance, and haven't posted anything but fluff since 27nb flipped town. Why aren't you interested in voting me? I didn't read much into your filter the first day TBH. You weren't a contender for the lynch. I do think that what you pointed out makes you look bad and thats why I said I was slightly suspicious of you. But pushing the misslynch of a townie IS something that townies do alot aswell. Right now I'm trying to understand the case on you in order to get a better read on you. | ||
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On June 20 2014 06:34 YouKnowZhou wrote: I'd consider a case on me to have two main components: 1) I pushed a mislynch D1 2) That comprises the vast majority of my filter. Aside from a couple one-off notes I have not really engaged or given reads on anyone else, not even in the intervening 36 hours since the mislynch happened. Now, if 27nb flipped scum, there would be no suspicion on me basically at all. People would congratulate me for my excellent tunnelling of scum. As luck would have it, 27nb wasn't scum, just profoundly scummy town. And I am a bit tied up eating dinner at the moment so I don't really have time to put together a case on someone, or even write an adequate defense (though honestly the only adequate defense here would be for me to catch scum and then everyone be like "wow look a scum"). People are too lazy and unmotivated to catch scum, so they're just gonna lynch the me. I'm a legendary scum player. I'm so good that most people are naturally suspicious of me no matter what I do. This is acceptable. Ideally though once I'm done with dinner I come back and wow all you guys so hard that you can't even imagine lynching me. I'm the only town leader around here and without me the thread grinds to a halt, it seems. Yhea this is my impression from you aswell. The fact that you haven't done shit since lynch isn't helping you either. You haven't done any scumhuting at all. Its pretty obvious you aren't helping town at this point. But you attitude is suicidal as scum which makes you hard to get a good grip of. I wouldn't be super sad to see you die but I would rather kill VE or Koshi still. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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##Vote: Koshi Gotta go now, will be slightly more active tomorrow... | ||
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Untill his reason vote he didn't have a single scum read what so ever. And it IS very convinient that he votes that number 1 lynchbait... | ||
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On June 20 2014 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is also a good point brought up. Everyone that is voting mderg should explain why they vote him very very clearly and why the reason you vote him makes him scum. Explain how that action isn't likely to have come out of a newbie town player also.BH, I'm not a newbie player. I know that similarities does not necessarily mean the same alignment, but previous games can give you insights into their mind. Particularly a scum qt can be enlightening. It told me mderg is someone that thinks before he posts as scum, which is a point against him being scum this game. I'm not up for a mderg lynch at this point in time. I am up for a Koshi lynch though. ##Unvote ##Vote Koshi | ||
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On June 19 2014 21:20 VisceraEyes wrote: That list is Snickers/Release/LM. Blah. I should really solidify my read on Snickers/LM this cycle. Enlight us, please! | ||
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Lazermonkey
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Vote him. | ||
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