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On June 18 2014 02:13 OnceKing wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: YouKnowZhou (1): 27ninjabunnies, Release, goodkarma27ninjabunnies (2): YouKnowZhou, Lazermonkey, mderg Release (1): Artanis[Xp], Snickers Artanis[Xp] (1): slOosh mderg (2): VisceraEyes, mderg Currently Not Voting (5): Chezinu, goodkarma, Oatsmaster, 27ninjabunnies, Artanis[Xp]
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There is a mistake here. I am voting mderg, not mderg : D.
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On June 11 2014 07:30 Kurumi wrote:Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Naw, no need to kill Oats.
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Mderg is just... Look through this part of his first post for example.
On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:SNIP The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. SNIP ##vote 27ninjabunnies
So his logic is something like this:
1. Since YKZ are battling each other they cannot both be scum.
2. And YKZ is probably town (for some really wierd reasoning).
3. Its possible that Bunnies is scum, points out several stuff that Bunnies that is alignment unindicative.
4. Dislikes that Bunnies says that Release is scummy but doesn't want him to be scum. This is like the only part that makes sense.
Then he proceeds to vote him. This vote is so out of place that I cannot even describe it with words. Pointing out several things that he even himself says isn't alignment indicative is just unnecessary. Yes, he said he disliked one of Bunnies posts. But he also said that he disliked Snickers and Release posting. Why vote Bunnies? Because it was the current wagon?
This shit just seem to careless to be scum. You don't see scum posting posts liek this because that's all scum care about, looking good. I'm calling bad town here.
##Unvote
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On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him. ##Vote: mderg Huh? BH has been one of protagonists of this game so far. Why would you not comment on him?
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On June 18 2014 04:36 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:24 Lazermonkey wrote:Mderg is just... Look through this part of his first post for example. On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:SNIP The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. SNIP ##vote 27ninjabunnies So his logic is something like this: 1. Since YKZ are battling each other they cannot both be scum. 2. And YKZ is probably town (for some really wierd reasoning). 3. Its possible that Bunnies is scum, points out several stuff that Bunnies that is alignment unindicative. 4. Dislikes that Bunnies says that Release is scummy but doesn't want him to be scum. This is like the only part that makes sense. Then he proceeds to vote him. This vote is so out of place that I cannot even describe it with words. Pointing out several things that he even himself says isn't alignment indicative is just unnecessary. Yes, he said he disliked one of Bunnies posts. But he also said that he disliked Snickers and Release posting. Why vote Bunnies? Because it was the current wagon? This shit just seem to careless to be scum. You don't see scum posting posts liek this because that's all scum care about, looking good. I'm calling bad town here.##Unvote Acting like a bad town makes me think he is scum. The people that are town need to start stepping up to be good towns. Is it difficult to be a good town? Also if his vote is so out of place..... that would also make me think he is scum. If you are a town player not playing well.... you are helping scum more than town. This is true because you are just tossing confusion in the thread(Right?).Helping scum more than town shows scum.
Well, your wrong. Bad play=/=scum play. In a perfect world, yes. But in a perfect world scum doesn't make misstakes either.
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And I will sheep SlOosh on this one.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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On June 18 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:24 Lazermonkey wrote:Mderg is just... Look through this part of his first post for example. On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:SNIP The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. SNIP ##vote 27ninjabunnies So his logic is something like this: 1. Since YKZ are battling each other they cannot both be scum. 2. And YKZ is probably town (for some really wierd reasoning). 3. Its possible that Bunnies is scum, points out several stuff that Bunnies that is alignment unindicative. 4. Dislikes that Bunnies says that Release is scummy but doesn't want him to be scum. This is like the only part that makes sense. Then he proceeds to vote him. This vote is so out of place that I cannot even describe it with words. Pointing out several things that he even himself says isn't alignment indicative is just unnecessary. Yes, he said he disliked one of Bunnies posts. But he also said that he disliked Snickers and Release posting. Why vote Bunnies? Because it was the current wagon? This shit just seem to careless to be scum. You don't see scum posting posts liek this because that's all scum care about, looking good. I'm calling bad town here. ##Unvote My logic was different. I never said that they cannot both be scum. I also didn´t point out several things out that were alignment unindicative, it was one point made by YKZ that I don´t think is actually scummy. The things I didn´t like about her were the focus on the "scumslip" by YKZ, the thing about Release and townreading Artanis. Clearly more things that I think are scummy than things not alignment indicative. The thing(s) I pointed out that weren´t alignment indicative were points brought up by YKZ which I didn´t really agree with. That´s the reason for bringing it up. I think you´re "defending" me for the wrong reasons. SNIP
Ops, I really missread quite badly when I looked at your post. It makes more sense now, though I still think the case is bad.
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On June 18 2014 05:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BH, policy: Lynch all D1 replacements.
In the past two cell games I hosted I think 4/5 replacements were mafia. It's a solid policy.
Make the right lynch. Lynch Koshi.
Sarcasm or just really really bad?
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On June 18 2014 05:33 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Koshi. ##Vote KoshiReplacements have been overwhelmingly mafia as of late. Plus I'm still salty from Cell I. On June 18 2014 05:22 slOosh wrote:On June 18 2014 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 04:53 slOosh wrote:
Artanis, could I have updated thoughts on bunnies / YKZ? YKZ: No idea, it's BH. Leaning scum on bunnies. Not sure if I want to vote bunnies or mderg. I don't like both bunnies and ykz's reason for townreading me but bunnies seems a lot more set on it for shaky grounds. Also don't like how she keeps pushing the unflipped associations thing, saying it's because of video mafia even though she's played a decent amount of forum mafia since then. Mderg is mostly a case of adding nothing to the conversation. That he thought my case made sense but didn't comment on goodkarma's much better post is something I don't understand either. I'm actually happy that Lazer stepped up to defend him because a lynch without opposition is generally bad for town. I don't think it's likely mafia would roll over and die with such a relatively inactive town that they'll just throw away a member on D1. I could lynch either of them atm. Ehh I've been leaning against YKZ the whole time. He brought up Oats as a possible lurker lynch when people were considering mderg, and his "what's this mderg stuff about" looks like he wants other people to talk about it more, but isn't interested in bringing it up himself. Furthermore, there's no actual effort to convince people that bunnies is scum and we should be lynching her. His whole D1 gambit was to catch bunnies, and he already gave up on it. You've cited nothing that discerns scum BH from town BH. He loves policy and he overexaggerates his opinion to get people lynched. He stopped trying to convince people to lynch bunnies because he no longer believed that when he stopped doing that. The gambit on catching bunnies can be from either alignment, I'm not sure what you're drawing from that. Where's bunnies right now, when we have more stuff to discuss? Sure, I'm not engaging the thread and talking about mderg (though nobody wants to summarise mderg stuff for me and I'm too lazy/busy at dinner to deal with it right now) but 27nb is conveniently gone! Yes, 27nb who could only think about my first post, who kenpachi rule, then kenpachi rule extended so hard, that if 27nb is scum you would all have to admit that kenpachi rule is the best policy. And yet here we are, with no votes on 27nb, and you know why? It's because you are weak. You are afraid, you don't trust the kenpachi rule. I understand, it's scary to put your faith in a rule. But when it comes down to it, kenpachi rule WORKS. Historically. People dislike the kenpachi rule, but try finding a better method of lynching people D1. RNG might cut it, but not in a game like this with a single faction. The only thing you can trust on D1 is Kenpachi Rule in a game like this imo
I think you are putting way too much faith into the Kenpachi rule. I do think its a good tool to hunt scum but I wouldn't base too much of my lynch around it. I have played games where the rule didn't work. In the end Bunnies is by far the most active player in the game right now. I don't even agree with half of her reads but she does at least post reads and is being very open with her thoughts. I don't want to lynch a player like that, despite the fact that she looks bad by the Kenpachi rule.
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I need to go to sleep. Will try to get up 20ish minutes before deadline. I think VE is a decent lynch today but it is possible that I'll need to vote someone else in order to consolidate. Everyone should do that, because every vote that is not on one of the two leading candidates is an indirect vote on the leading candidate.
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Ow, and as of now I'll probably rather lynch mderg than Bunnies.
Good night!
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Yo, I'm here. Killing Bunnies is bad.
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There isn't super much to be said. Bunnies has been active. I read YKZ's post about how Bunnies's post in reality wasn't good. I don't agree with it. If we would have such high standard as YKZ has then there are more players that should be regarded as very scummy. Such as mderp and VE...
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On June 18 2014 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Mderg is a terrible lynch. Why does anyone want to lynch him? Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 06:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay, I don't want to lynch mderg. I actually get quite a townie feel from his filter. He commented on all relevant things, expanded on the things he found strange and explained his scumread on ninjabunnies quite well. The way he's constructed his post makes sense to me and the townread for the sake of it resonates with my feeling of her townread on me being shaky ground. I also like how he disagreed with Lazer's defense. I think scum would be more likely to take all the help they can get when they're possibly on the stake. Mderg didn't do that.
I don't want to lynch mderg today.
I don't think merg is a super good lynch. But Bunnies is worse.
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On June 18 2014 08:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 08:54 Lazermonkey wrote:
There isn't super much to be said. Bunnies has been active. I read YKZ's post about how Bunnies's post in reality wasn't good. I don't agree with it. If we would have such high standard as YKZ has then there are more players that should be regarded as very scummy. Such as mderp and VE...
Active doesn't make you town. Bunnies was active in Cell Mini and she was mafia. Activity alone is a terrible reason.
In general, activity and alignment has a pretty strong connection. And even if you disregard that, in a game with only 20 pages on D1, killing the most active player D1 isn't the most appealing thought to me.
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And that's all the Kenpachi rule for you all folks!
See you tomorrow.
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Everyone should read Bunnies filter. And read VE's filter and comment on what you think.
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Lol. VE so scum. Says Bunnies is super town. Proceeds not to even mention Bunnies at all even if she gets lynched. I really don't think more needs to be said.
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