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Should we introduce ourselves again in this thread for simplicity's sake?
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Pasting from the dead game:
Hi, I'm jabberwockzerg, or probably just jabber.
First game on the forums, have played a bit IRL (gasp) with my Drama Club at school.
Eager to find out what makes this sub-forum so awesome <3
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On May 27 2014 09:58 slOosh wrote:
Hi jabber, what kind of IRL games did you play (setup, roles etc.)?
It was a while ago, don't remember all the details, but it was based on Romeo and Juliet, so that was a hoot. We played out one day per day, with email for voting and whatnot. It ended in spectacular fashion, with a counterfeit role-card being an instrumental part (which I know doesn't fly here so that's no bueno)
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On May 27 2014 10:47 slOosh wrote:
Ooh here's something.
What's your guys take on Alakaslam's style of posting?
confusing for the sake of being confusing
valid strategy I suppose
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On May 27 2014 10:50 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 10:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On May 27 2014 10:47 slOosh wrote:
Ooh here's something.
What's your guys take on Alakaslam's style of posting? confusing for the sake of being confusing valid strategy I suppose Valid in what sense?
Not breaking any of the rules. If it works for him, great.
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Aren't we only supposed to discuss mafia or whatever?
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On May 27 2014 10:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 10:56 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Aren't we only supposed to discuss mafia or whatever? I mean, basically you can discuss whatever. Just dont make your entire filter based off of not game things. Hence me trying to get yall back on track
okay, gotcha
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On May 27 2014 11:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 10:58 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 27 2014 10:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
As entertaining as your two conversation is, can we scum hunt please?
Thanks...
it seems like everyone is in the dumps right now.
So lets make things interesting.
Come up with something that i have to incorporate into my reads/ a post/ or something, otherwise ill get lynched.
Cause why not.
??? Idk... Like, i was bored hush... For example, everytime someone says the word hamburger, i have to post a gif that includes a hamburger. Or whenever someone calls me mafia, i have to defend myself talking only in song lyrics.
You should speak of the mafia only in euphemisms. Say the M-word and you're done for.
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Your next post has to start with "A" the one after that "B" and so on and so forth
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Oh nvm
Anyone else feel free to use mine
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Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light
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Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.
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Definitely leaving towards scum though
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On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia. Zat counter point is invalid.
Didn't realize that was public information
My bad
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I don't quite follow your logic. You put me on mafia last game, and I screwed up about if that was posted or not, but that makes me mafia this game? No comprende
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Alphabet game ruined!
Starting up again with A. I got it this time!
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On May 27 2014 11:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I don't like how jabberwockzerg was thrown off of his alphabet game thingy when he got called mafia. It looked to me like he was a deer in headlights there.
Being mafia or not, that's still stressful. It's no fun getting lynched.
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On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here. You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not? Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple. Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us. So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched.
Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely
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Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them
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On May 27 2014 11:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here. You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not? Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple. Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us. So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched. Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely Hmmm, just because you are vanilla town doesnt give you the right to be lurkish and not into the game :p This doesnt give you a pass. Sorry
Essentially, at that point in the game I was just spitballing.
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On May 27 2014 12:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 12:01 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I dont understand how this post had anything to do with what my case was on him? Nothing to do with it at all, just a crap post with no meaning other than for jabber to not feel so awkward with every post he makes To me, it seemed as if you were coaching him to change the topic in order to get pressure off of him. Why would you want to do that?
You're doing an awful lot of finger pointing for day 1
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On May 27 2014 12:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 12:04 jabberwockzerg wrote:On May 27 2014 12:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 12:01 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I dont understand how this post had anything to do with what my case was on him? Nothing to do with it at all, just a crap post with no meaning other than for jabber to not feel so awkward with every post he makes To me, it seemed as if you were coaching him to change the topic in order to get pressure off of him. Why would you want to do that? You're doing an awful lot of finger pointing for day 1 It's not finger pointing. It's how I get my reads. If i find a post that seems like its sniffing the bishop, I'll point it out, question it, and get the reactions from whoever the post was pointed towards or the rest of people's reactions. But how is his post not hugging the sandwich maker?! He basically said you need to change the subject if you dont want to seem beating the chess game,
If we're both mafia, wouldn't he have told me that in the QT?
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On May 27 2014 12:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 12:15 jabberwockzerg wrote:On May 27 2014 12:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 12:04 jabberwockzerg wrote:On May 27 2014 12:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 12:01 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I dont understand how this post had anything to do with what my case was on him? Nothing to do with it at all, just a crap post with no meaning other than for jabber to not feel so awkward with every post he makes To me, it seemed as if you were coaching him to change the topic in order to get pressure off of him. Why would you want to do that? You're doing an awful lot of finger pointing for day 1 It's not finger pointing. It's how I get my reads. If i find a post that seems like its sniffing the bishop, I'll point it out, question it, and get the reactions from whoever the post was pointed towards or the rest of people's reactions. But how is his post not hugging the sandwich maker?! He basically said you need to change the subject if you dont want to seem beating the chess game, If we're both mafia, wouldn't he have told me that in the QT? I suppose you have a point there.... But i still find that interaction quite weird.
Given my noobiness, it just send like he's helping out
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directly fixing my post:
It's just likely
Autocorrect
You're killing me
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Help, I forgot the alphabet
Sincerely thought d came after g.
I'm not a smart man
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On May 27 2014 12:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 12:23 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Help, I forgot the alphabet
Sincerely thought d came after g.
I'm not a smart man That's US schooling for ya.
It's late and the alphabet is hard
In going to bed
See y'all later
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On May 27 2014 15:51 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 15:33 Amiko wrote:
@slOosh re: Alakaslam style of posting
Slam’s posting is usually fun, but occasionally frustrating since it’s not always clear what he means, so it can be hard to draw a read from that. I don’t think it is inherently bad
On Jabberwockzerg
I felt jabber’s first post was a bit odd because he copied his post from the prior game (where he was scum) and I feel like he might have a different opening if he was town.
I also think bunnies may be onto something, but I’m not sure if her post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#106) realizes the more damning point or not (it’s sorta weirdly written) so I’ll write it just in case. To me, what is suspicious about jabber’s post is that he suggested a player was mafia last game, but he knew that the player was not mafia last game. In other words, he offered a scenario as a counterpoint that he knew to be false.
It’d be fine if he said he was just raising the point as a possibility, but his answer (that he didn’t know it was public information) doesn’t look so hot. I’m not convinced on him yet, but I want to pursue this.
@Jabberwockzerg: 27ninjabunnies has raised a point regarding your play that she argues shows you are mafia. You also posted that she was doing a lot of finger pointing on day one.
Do you think her point on you is good?
Do you feel that her raising that point makes her more likely to be town or mafia?
@fuba and @HaruRH: You joined the vote on jabberwockzerg. I understand that you agree with bunnies’ point on him – what do you think of jabberwockzerg’s responses after bunnies’ vote? Do they feel more town or scum to you?
aside
@HaruRH: This is not game-oriented, but I really like the “God Knows” song from Haruhi and love to sing it in karaoke :D
what I understood from all jabber's responses are either a high level of newbie play, or scum. I will provide examples later after I get on a computer. Will not unvote until jabber defends himself convincingly
I don't think the case against me is solid, but obviously since I know I'm town that'll influence my judgment of the case.
As for whether bunny's town, I don't know. Strong campaigning doesn't make her mafia, but she's really the only one making plays and that stands out.
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On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
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On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy.
Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones
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On May 27 2014 20:59 Chromatically wrote:Also, read this whole page again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=5bunnies starts by (presumably) joking about me being scum, not a serious push as evidenced by not voting. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light This is jabber's passive-agressive response. "he probably is" heavily implies that jabber has a strong scumread on me, which clearly doesn't make sense given that I've made one completely non-alignment indicative post. From a scum perspective, it makes sense for jabber to try to go with the flow of the thread and throw suspicion on me, but accidentally take it too far. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though Again, here he makes it seem as if he strongly thinks I'm scum, which just doesn't make sense unless he has a preset idea of what he wants to push my alignment as.
Lovely.
I was trying to get the game moving along, I was pretty pumped to start interrogating and scum reading, which isn't how I acted last game, when I was scum.
Lying about who was scum last game, I was trying to conceal information. I didn't realize that last game's roles were known, it would be beneficial for me if no one knew I was Mafia, just because there would be no real patterns of my play, and I could remain a wild card, which I thought could help me later.
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On May 28 2014 09:15 Chromatically wrote:
jabber, if you're town you should definitely get in here and defend yourself
working on it 
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I'm just gonna go 1 by 1 and tell what I think of everybody so far
1) Chromatically
Thought his activity was suspicious at first, but rethinking about it now he doesn't seem too bad.
2) 27ninjabunnies
Playing hard, throwing around leads. She could be scummy, but I'm leaning towards town for her. Nothing she's said has jumped out as questionable.
3) Meapak_Ziphh
I agree with gobbledy, that his scatterbrainedness is more about a lack of confidence about his reads than scumm behavior.
4) gobbledydook
no reads
5) jabberwockzerg
That's me! Town, if there seems to be any confusion :D
6) mderg
Not really getting much.
7) HaruRH
Kinda defending me, which is cool of him. A real pal. Don't see why a Mafia would do that at all, so he's clean.
8) sqrtofneg1
On May 27 2014 10:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
tbh, I'm the reason we're in detention, so I have a lot of pressure on me to carry town to a win now.
So I'm not fine, I'm under pressure.
and then following up with
On May 27 2014 10:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Or maybe I don't feel the pressure. Maybe I'm scum, for the first time.
You know what really drives me crazy? I must have played over 30 games of irl mafia by now, and I've rolled mafia twice. Cop I've rolled quite a bit of cop, and doctor at least 3 times, but I never rolled mafia.
just kinda seems like a half baked WIFOM attempt from mafia to my (admittedly untrained) eyes
also he has been throwing down a lot without following up on a lot. Probably my frontrunner for scum at this point.
9) slOosh
not getting much
10) Amiko
Good, high quality posts, but no read at this point in time
11) Alakaslam
no read
12) fuba
Defending me, which is great of him. No reason for a Mafia to defend me, so he's clean for me.
13) Palmar
A little scummy, which has been covered but not really at the forefront of my mind.
I'll be happy to answer any questions people have for the next couple hours and attempt to clear my name
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On May 28 2014 09:23 Chromatically wrote:jabber can you address here please Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:05 Chromatically wrote:Finally back at a computer. I'm totally fine lynching jabber for obvious reasons, but I still would like to hear him answer the things I asked him. Here's the points I've had against him (partially stuff I've already said): -He deliberately lied this game. As town, he would have had no reason to even think about lying. As scum, he could have felt like he should add something to the conversation/was nervous/a number of other explanations for a mistake. Yes, it's bad play as either alignment. But imagine yourself as town in his situation: there's no way you would lie about it. -His explanations are inconsistent: + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here. You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not? Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple. Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us. So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched. Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely "I didn't mean mafia, I just meant non-vanilla. Bad wording." On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
Just like this I mean, I know this looks bad but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Here he agrees with gobble, who's saying that jabber didn't read the last mafia QT or didn't remember who was mafia (obviously not true)..? And also that it was an honest mistake. On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it. On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy. Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones "I was trying to think of every possible scenario." On May 28 2014 01:14 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 20:59 Chromatically wrote:Also, read this whole page again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=5bunnies starts by (presumably) joking about me being scum, not a serious push as evidenced by not voting. On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light This is jabber's passive-agressive response. "he probably is" heavily implies that jabber has a strong scumread on me, which clearly doesn't make sense given that I've made one completely non-alignment indicative post. From a scum perspective, it makes sense for jabber to try to go with the flow of the thread and throw suspicion on me, but accidentally take it too far. On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though Again, here he makes it seem as if he strongly thinks I'm scum, which just doesn't make sense unless he has a preset idea of what he wants to push my alignment as. Lovely. I was trying to get the game moving along, I was pretty pumped to start interrogating and scum reading, which isn't how I acted last game, when I was scum. Lying about who was scum last game, I was trying to conceal information. I didn't realize that last game's roles were known, it would be beneficial for me if no one knew I was Mafia, just because there would be no real patterns of my play, and I could remain a wild card, which I thought could help me later. "I was trying to conceal information to help me in this game." These are all inconsistent with each other: it cannot be an "honest mistake" if he was deliberately concealing information, he clearly didn't mean that I could have been "non-vanilla", not necessarily mafia, if he was concealing information, etc. He's changing his explanation because he's just making them up: he doesn't have a real reason. -His last explanation is scummy in and of itself, town has no reason to make themselves harder to read. -He didn't explain himself earlier when he had the opportunity. Town would have explained themselves as soon as they were called out. ##Vote: jabberwockzerg
Certainly
Basically, I thought concealing information about myself would help me out in the long run. This belief, and the later admission of it, came from a fundamental misunderstanding of how this game is really played. This is what caused my initial post, and my explanations. Now, I'm learning more about what goes down and that as town, especially as town, the most important thing is to just be clear and honest and try to find the real scum.
This game is a lot more fun and layered than I first thought, and I can't wait to sink my teeth in.
It's really looking like a lynch at this point, so I'm grateful this shitstorm happened because I learned so much from it.
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On May 28 2014 09:44 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 09:40 jabberwockzerg wrote:On May 28 2014 09:23 Chromatically wrote:jabber can you address here please On May 28 2014 05:05 Chromatically wrote:Finally back at a computer. I'm totally fine lynching jabber for obvious reasons, but I still would like to hear him answer the things I asked him. Here's the points I've had against him (partially stuff I've already said): -He deliberately lied this game. As town, he would have had no reason to even think about lying. As scum, he could have felt like he should add something to the conversation/was nervous/a number of other explanations for a mistake. Yes, it's bad play as either alignment. But imagine yourself as town in his situation: there's no way you would lie about it. -His explanations are inconsistent: + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here. You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not? Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple. Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us. So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched. Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely "I didn't mean mafia, I just meant non-vanilla. Bad wording." On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
Just like this I mean, I know this looks bad but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Here he agrees with gobble, who's saying that jabber didn't read the last mafia QT or didn't remember who was mafia (obviously not true)..? And also that it was an honest mistake. On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it. On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy. Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones "I was trying to think of every possible scenario." On May 28 2014 01:14 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 20:59 Chromatically wrote:Also, read this whole page again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=5bunnies starts by (presumably) joking about me being scum, not a serious push as evidenced by not voting. On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light This is jabber's passive-agressive response. "he probably is" heavily implies that jabber has a strong scumread on me, which clearly doesn't make sense given that I've made one completely non-alignment indicative post. From a scum perspective, it makes sense for jabber to try to go with the flow of the thread and throw suspicion on me, but accidentally take it too far. On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though Again, here he makes it seem as if he strongly thinks I'm scum, which just doesn't make sense unless he has a preset idea of what he wants to push my alignment as. Lovely. I was trying to get the game moving along, I was pretty pumped to start interrogating and scum reading, which isn't how I acted last game, when I was scum. Lying about who was scum last game, I was trying to conceal information. I didn't realize that last game's roles were known, it would be beneficial for me if no one knew I was Mafia, just because there would be no real patterns of my play, and I could remain a wild card, which I thought could help me later. "I was trying to conceal information to help me in this game." These are all inconsistent with each other: it cannot be an "honest mistake" if he was deliberately concealing information, he clearly didn't mean that I could have been "non-vanilla", not necessarily mafia, if he was concealing information, etc. He's changing his explanation because he's just making them up: he doesn't have a real reason. -His last explanation is scummy in and of itself, town has no reason to make themselves harder to read. -He didn't explain himself earlier when he had the opportunity. Town would have explained themselves as soon as they were called out. ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Certainly Basically, I thought concealing information about myself would help me out in the long run. This belief, and the later admission of it, came from a fundamental misunderstanding of how this game is really played. This is what caused my initial post, and my explanations. Now, I'm learning more about what goes down and that as town, especially as town, the most important thing is to just be clear and honest and try to find the real scum. This game is a lot more fun and layered than I first thought, and I can't wait to sink my teeth in. It's really looking like a lynch at this point, so I'm grateful this shitstorm happened because I learned so much from it. So, to clarify, why did you post the other explanations for your post? It sounds like you're saying the "conceal information" explanation is the only one that's true and the other ones were not, is that correct?
Yeah, pretty much. The other ones were just me squirming under pressure and are pretty embarrassing to go back and read tbh
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On May 28 2014 10:11 Chromatically wrote:jabber, here's the thing I don't get about your explanation http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=10On this page, people are asking you for an explanation and pressuring you, and you make up other explanations to answer them (admitted by you). Why did you not just tell them your actual reason the first time you were asked for an explanation? Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote:On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it. On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy. Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones For example, everyone read this whole conversation. jabber gave an explanation, Palmar asked him for elaboration. This would be the PERFECT time for jabber to explain that you were just trying to conceal information to help you later. That's what I believe any townie would do. jabber doesn't and instead makes up something else. As scum, however, jabber doesn't have a real explanation so he's floundering around, trying to find an explanation that works.
I still wasn't in the right mindset or whatever about the game. I can totally see where I went wrong and understand all of your suspicion. It's definitely hard for anyone to take anything I say now seriously. But the posts from tonight are all totally what's going on, believe me or not.
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On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.
I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.
But I kind of think he's town.
that is spot on
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On May 28 2014 10:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 10:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.
I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.
But I kind of think he's town. that is spot on Okay then, if you've resigned to getting lynched D1, you might as well be useful before you die. Who is top town? Who is top scum?
just like, who I think is most likely each?
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Top Scum: Palamar
Just started out weird with the whole ninjabunnies vote and never really did anything
top town: any one of the people initially defending me, as most Mafia would want to turn the town against me ASAP
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come on bold
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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On May 29 2014 09:38 27ninjabunnies wrote:Any last defense???
Don't think I'm overcoming the inertia on this one. Thanks boys and girls, it's been a wild ride. ggwp
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On May 29 2014 09:39 Amiko wrote:
Jabber if you are town give us some last thoughts even if you are going to die.
Haven't been able to read today's posts very carefully, just got home. I'll give them an eye scrubbing and vomit some thoughts.
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On May 29 2014 09:55 Amiko wrote:
Also, any reason you went for Meapak over Fuba?
not really
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EPT
