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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 00:35 GMT
#12
Hi :D
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 04:36 GMT
#158
##Vote: jabberwockzerg

Proof is in bunnies filter. Weeeeee D1~
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 06:31 GMT
#162
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 12:37 GMT
#189
On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them


I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly

I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town.


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On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote

I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason.

I don't really see scum as more likely to post something like that so carelessly, particularly because I can see no reason to do so. It seems like too much oversight with no payoff.
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 12:42 GMT
#190
Bleh, I'll do another read through the thread when I have time after class. The lynch just seems wrong to me :S
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 15:50 GMT
#200
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 16:33 GMT
#207
On May 28 2014 01:24 mderg wrote:
I don´t like this lynch at all. I don´t see what he did as alignment indicative because it doesn´t really make sense as either town or scum. So why is it more likely to be done by scum than by town?


fuba: Weren´t you against this lynch? Why the vote on jabberwockzerg now?

My position was that since it made no sense to lie as either alignment, I felt it was more likely a mistake. And I felt that this mistake was more likely to come from town rather than scum. His defense, however, is that he was actually hiding information and encouraging a possibility that he knew for a fact was incorrect. That makes it scummy.
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 16:52 GMT
#214
On May 28 2014 01:36 mderg wrote:
I don´t think obvious lies make people scum. It´s just too easy to figure out to actually make it scummy.

It wasn't an obvious lie to him. I mean, he knew it was a lie, but he didn't know that we would all know it was a lie.

The only thing that's making me uneasy is that if he is scum, he chose this defense -_-
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 17:15 GMT
#223
Mderg - who would you lynch over jabber?
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 17:25 GMT
#227
On May 28 2014 02:20 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 21:37 fuba wrote:
On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them


I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly

I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town.


On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote

I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason.

I don't really see scum as more likely to post something like that so carelessly, particularly because I can see no reason to do so. It seems like too much oversight with no payoff.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 21:42 fuba wrote:
Bleh, I'll do another read through the thread when I have time after class. The lynch just seems wrong to me :S

Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 00:50 fuba wrote:
##Vote: jabberwockzerg


What changed?

His defense.
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 17:31 GMT
#230
Though what i'd said before (about an intentional lie being caught by his scummates) had slipped my mind. The entire situation is a ball of confusion.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 17:43 GMT
#234
It's in my filter, as well as something mderg mentioned recently...

His scummates from last game would know he was scum, regardless of whether or not the scumteam was revealed to all of us. Therefore, the lie would be caught for sure, unless the scumteam was exactly the same as last game, which I doubt XD
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 27 2014 17:46 GMT
#235
Since I see so much null when I look at his actions, I look at the motivation. And the motivation is that he wanted to conceal information to protect himself. Which alignment does that look more like?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 28 2014 21:35 GMT
#548
Every vote wasn't on jabber. It's taken the majority of two days to get the vote to reach this point. There's been significant discussion about it, and there are legitimate reasons to consider him scum.

I'd also like to point out that jabber hasn't been defending himself or offering an alternative wagon for the last 20 hours or so. This tends to be a scum reaction to a large wagon building against them, rather than a town reaction.

If anyone has a specific person they'd like me to comment on, I might have time to squeeze in a filter dive before the deadline. My quick read through the thread didn't leave a whole lot of time for contemplation. I can say that no one struck me as more likely to be scum than jabber. I know a few people asked me specific questions, so I'll try to answer those in the meantime. Just gotta find 'em.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 28 2014 22:09 GMT
#556
Looked at gobbledydook first, since his filter is shorter XD

His initial reaction to bunnies' case, as well as his follow-up reaction to Palmar seem to indicate that he didn't read the entire case against jabber before disagreeing with it (twice), which I don't feel bodes well for him. I think his jump on the wagon also seems kinda strange, since the reason is kinda lame. I mean, there were plenty of ways in which jabber "admitted guilt", and the fact that he said a stone fell on him is the least of those. It's like he's not really thinking about the game. Problem with this is that it could just be general laziness, rather than him being scum.

On May 28 2014 10:48 gobbledydook wrote:
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On May 28 2014 10:34 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Top Scum: Palamar
Just started out weird with the whole ninjabunnies vote and never really did anything
top town: any one of the people initially defending me, as most Mafia would want to turn the town against me ASAP


You are basically copying what sqrt said about Palmar and not really saying anything about your town reads. I feel sorry for having tried to defend you, you have made no useful contributions all day. All you did is flail around like a magikarp out of water screaming im a noob.

Which makes me highly suspect if you aren't flailing on purpose.

If jabber flips scum, this quote would make me think gobble is likely town. This was kind of jabber's last stand, and I don't think the scumteam would shoot down their ally like that. Unless it was some kind of elaborate plan to give gobble some slight towncred after the flip, but that's kinda out there. I do have to say that I don't entirely understand what that last sentence means.

As for what he's said about MZ, I'd have to form an opinion of MZ for myself first XD
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 28 2014 22:10 GMT
#557
On May 29 2014 07:05 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I propose a new wagon:
Fuba.

He votes jwz, and then unvotes him the next post with this explanation:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote


Soon after, he votes him again.


His next significant post, and his last post is this:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 06:35 fuba wrote:
Every vote wasn't on jabber. It's taken the majority of two days to get the vote to reach this point. There's been significant discussion about it, and there are legitimate reasons to consider him scum.

I'd also like to point out that jabber hasn't been defending himself or offering an alternative wagon for the last 20 hours or so. This tends to be a scum reaction to a large wagon building against them, rather than a town reaction.

If anyone has a specific person they'd like me to comment on, I might have time to squeeze in a filter dive before the deadline. My quick read through the thread didn't leave a whole lot of time for contemplation. I can say that no one struck me as more likely to be scum than jabber. I know a few people asked me specific questions, so I'll try to answer those in the meantime. Just gotta find 'em.

Has there been significant discussion about jwz?

Also, I disagree that the fact that he hasn't defended himself or offered an alternative wagon indicates that he's scum. I feel that jwz's attitude right now is more like a town who's resigned to being mislynched.

This guy hasn't made much contributions.
This guy doesn't look like town to me.
This guy is scum.

##Vote: fuba

lol
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 28 2014 22:19 GMT
#558
I guess I'm scummy if you ignore all of my reasoning.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 28 2014 23:43 GMT
#568
On May 27 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:
Okay I'll be a good sheep.

##vote jabberwockzerg

To put in clear terms what the problem I, and clearly others, have is:

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:38 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I don't quite follow your logic. You put me on mafia last game, and I screwed up about if that was posted or not, but that makes me mafia this game? No comprende


The point isn't that you screwed it up. The point is that you brought up an argument that you already know is invalid. I don't see any motivation for someone who is town to do that.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.


Unless you can explain why as town it makes sense for you to throw something you know will not help solve the issue at hand into the mix, we're going to have to lynch you.

I'm fine with not doing anything else today. This is better than most day 1 lynch opportunities we get.

@jabberwockzerg: if you're somehow town, now is your time to step up.



On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.


Is the second quote not about the first quote?
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 29 2014 00:25 GMT
#578
On May 29 2014 09:13 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 22:37 Palmar wrote:
I don't think we know which setup was used.


In fact, palmar seemed to have been baited. It is obvious to VT that we dont know the setup - but palmar is second guessing his own decision of not knowing the setup. A townie will not state 'I don't think', but use stronger words that indicate full understanding of the rules.

Therefore, palmar is either scum or ignorant and I would go with scum. I will keep an eye out for more of his posts.

Eh, he also didn't know that there wasn't a vigi in this game (I think that was him). I think he just plays mafia and checks the setup if it's really important for him to do so. Actually, mafia would know that they were given the setup, so I think scum palmar would be more likely to actually know that town doesn't know. If that makes sense, haha.
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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 29 2014 01:09 GMT
#593
bleh
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