EPT@fuba: I don't see why not.
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@fuba: I don't see why not. | ||
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my day 1 reads tend to be solid ##unvote ##vote fuba | ||
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##unvote | ||
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From your post about me that blatantly displays you have at best skimmed the discussion between Amiko and I today and clearly shows you have no idea what the case against me is. | ||
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I wasn't giving you my opinion. You not following the game is a fact, it's right there in the post above. | ||
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On June 06 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: I feel like Palmar´s defense is completely based on 1 point, that he wouldn´t play like this as mafia. His actions would make sense as town but they would also make sense as scum. No it isn't, you're not reading the thread. On June 06 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: His vote on bunnies doesn´t make him town. Slightly pushing a townie for weak reasons doesn´t instantly make one suspicious. It seems like a low risk low reward move to make as scum. Or alternatively, it's a simple "let's poke it and see what happens" move for town. You're clearly working in a mindset where you first have decided I'm mafia and then you apply reasons for my actions based on your foregone conclusion. On June 06 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: Semi-busing sloosh and gobble was without any follow up, so that didn´t actually put them under huge pressure, so it wasn´t very dangerous and could be used to distance himself from these two resulting in him being less suspicious when they flip or the other way around. It would be pretty ballsy but I think Palmar is capable of that. I am easily capable of busing people as mafia, I just don't leave myself without options. On June 06 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: Staying on MZ on day 2 also makes sense from a scum perspective because one more vote would have changed things. Especially with the third mafia not voting this could have ended in a mislynch and put a scumteam of sloosh, gobble, palmar in a good position. Again, you're thinking "Palmar is mafia and here's why" Instead if "This is what Palmar did and it makes him X". There is a perfectly good town explanation for me staying on MZ, I explained it at the time. I've been consistent throughout with my read on him. I quite openly explained why I was doing what I was doing. On June 06 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: So it all kinda comes down to this: The thing about this is that it´s simply a matter of believing him or not believing him. And I don´t believe him. No it doesn't come down to that, that's the tiniest bit of the puzzle. | ||
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On June 06 2014 07:14 mderg wrote: I even said that your play also makes sense as town. I didn´t feel the need to explain the possible town mindset for every point because you already did that shit. If my play makes sense as town, AND the only point against me is that you don't believe I wouldn't play like this as mafia, why are you voting me? | ||
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On June 06 2014 07:42 mderg wrote: I think your play would make sense as both alignments. It´s explainable in either way but I think that play is more likely to come from mafia. You made that huge post explaining why you can´t be scum but I don´t think any of the points you brought up make it impossible for you to be scum. Okay, but does anything make it impossible for me to be town? Why do you think I'm more likely to be mafia. You're being extremely vague. | ||
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On June 06 2014 08:03 mderg wrote: No. The semi bus on sloosh and gobble without any follow up and your day 2 vote on MZ. Both would have strong scum reasons behind them. And both would also have strong town reasons for them. These things don't make me mafia unless you apply yourself really hard to the conclusion I must be mafia. | ||
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You guys are voting the most open, active, outspoken and controversial townie of the possible candidates. You're voting the guy who has actually taken the head and been at the forefront of discussion of lynches instead of just waddling around. I'm the one providing answers, explanations to everything. It is objectively bad play to lynch me without reasons, and the only reason for lynching me seems to be that I'm guilty of the crime of not knowing the scumteam on day 2. I actually was confused by one lazy townie so he was in there with 2 mafia. The problem here is that you guys, as sqrtofneg has admitted, are really afraid that I could be doing this as mafia. If I was any random name who's playing his first or second game, you would absolutely be convinced by my effort today. The mistake you're making is assuming there's some fundamental difference between veterans and newbies in mafia. There really is much less of that than most people think. Almost everyone who has played about 2-3 full games of mafia is fully capable of anything. So please, don't throw a game because you're afraid you might be wrong. | ||
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On June 06 2014 13:07 Amiko wrote: @Palmar: I don't find your defensive posts to be persuasive. I think it comes down to yes, your play might come from scum or it might come from mistaken town. But, the results have always been anti-town and some of the motivations you claim you have seem unsupported at best, inconsistent at worst, with your play at the time. I'd still prefer you start talking about mderg and fuba. I resent the "mistaken town" part. Almost every read I've made this game has been correct. It's just the fact that I got MZ wrong. | ||
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On June 06 2014 13:07 Amiko wrote: @Palmar: I don't find your defensive posts to be persuasive. I think it comes down to yes, your play might come from scum or it might come from mistaken town. But, the results have always been anti-town and some of the motivations you claim you have seem unsupported at best, inconsistent at worst, with your play at the time. I'd still prefer you start talking about mderg and fuba. You can call me mafia, but don't criticize my analytical play. I got ninja, you, i, chrom, haru all right on night 1 or before/after that. I called the too scummy to be scum thing on jabber. My night 1 list of possible mafia candidates/people to be pressured was MZ/gobbley/sloosh/fuba. I added in slam as a possible check because I can't actually read that guy. So no. the fact that I had MZ wrong does not give you any leeway. You're by far the worse offender here, as you're trying to lynch an active townie with no good reasons who is actively explaining himself, whereas meapak just rolled over and got lynched. | ||
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mderg's day 1 post that I found mega-townie Chrom's townread on mderg mderg getting roleblocked day 2. Fuba has played well if he's the mafia. ##Vote fuba I have other reasons. For example someone should count the posts written today by me on one hand and fuba on the other. Then come back with a straight face and say there's even a remote chance I am the mafia. He's not stirring the pot because he doesn't have to. He doesn't really care who gets lynched first me or mderg. That will be hilarious. | ||
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1. No one has any legitimate reason for voting me. It is not a scumtell to be wrong, especially when you're wrong on like 1 player out of the bunch. 2. It is not a scumtell to lead a desperate vote-switch attempt based on paranoia. I put my neck out there, both when I started calling the jabber lynch sketchy, and when I tried to switch to meapak. 3. It is not a scumtell to not have a continuation strategy with 1 mafia left and your target up on the chopping block. In fact the only faction that would have a continuation strategy in that scenario is mafia, because they know the game is not about to end. 4. The most active player in a situation like this, is almost never mafia. Let this be a lesson to you guys. I am posting, responding, actively defending myself. The town leadership, and mostly Amiko, is letting mafia get away with not playing this day because he's too cocky to change his mind. | ||
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Like it's so frustrating to watch this idiocy, that I must be mafia because I made one call wrong on one guy, lead to people sticking their heads so far up their asses any kind of logic or reasoning doesn't get to them. Notice how I can't even do anything about fuba. I asked him a very direct question about a very sketchy place in his filter, and he just doesn't respond. Why? Because you (Amiko) don't want to actually find mafia, you just want to punish people for not being right on everything. | ||
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I'm out for now. | ||
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