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On May 29 2014 04:38 Amiko wrote:I posted on him just a bit ago and I think you read it...? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#499I think HaruRH is scummy. I am not sure re: jabberwockzerg vs HaruRH... I didn't realize deadline was when it was, so I feel like there may not be time for Haru to respond to my points, whereas jabberwock has had time to respond and responded poorly. That's one reason I want to see more talk on Haru.
I did read it.
I should have phrased my question in a different way.
Do you think it's possible that haru's blue?
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Okay, fine.
##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
Top scum read, but he may be town.
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Yes, really.
I have to go in about 2 hours, and I won't be back until tomorrow.
You have 2 hours to ask me questions and stuff.
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Your case on haru is good.
It has valid points on it, like the talking of roles.
But there's a possibility that he's town.
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I'm feeling overwhelmed.
Amiko's cases are pretty much completely against mine, and they make more sense.
I'm gonna go on a run to clear my head.
I'll be back in about an hour, post all questions and such for me.
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That's what I was trying to point out.
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I don't like this.
I now think jwz is town.
##Unvote
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I propose a new wagon:
Fuba.
He votes jwz, and then unvotes him the next post with this explanation:
On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote
Soon after, he votes him again.
His next significant post, and his last post is this:
On May 29 2014 06:35 fuba wrote:
Every vote wasn't on jabber. It's taken the majority of two days to get the vote to reach this point. There's been significant discussion about it, and there are legitimate reasons to consider him scum.
I'd also like to point out that jabber hasn't been defending himself or offering an alternative wagon for the last 20 hours or so. This tends to be a scum reaction to a large wagon building against them, rather than a town reaction.
If anyone has a specific person they'd like me to comment on, I might have time to squeeze in a filter dive before the deadline. My quick read through the thread didn't leave a whole lot of time for contemplation. I can say that no one struck me as more likely to be scum than jabber. I know a few people asked me specific questions, so I'll try to answer those in the meantime. Just gotta find 'em.
Has there been significant discussion about jwz?
Also, I disagree that the fact that he hasn't defended himself or offered an alternative wagon indicates that he's scum. I feel that jwz's attitude right now is more like a town who's resigned to being mislynched.
This guy hasn't made much contributions.
This guy doesn't look like town to me.
This guy is scum.
##Vote: fuba
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On May 29 2014 07:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sqrt you change your mind sooo much
Yes, I do.
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I'm back guys.
So jwz flipped town.
I'm assuming that probably all 3 mafia voted for jwz.
The only outliers were me and mderg.
I'm not mafia.
At least 2 mafia voted jwz.
I do not think it is bunnies or haru, they voted him really early, and that draws attention.
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The gobble and fuba interaction really, really looks like town interacting with town.
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Oh, and whoever gets rb'd should definitely claim.
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On May 30 2014 02:36 Amiko wrote:
I guess it does evidence that he didn't read the OP, but I have seen town and scum both do that (for example, one or two newbie games back a few players thought they had a cop when they had a parity cop).
I just noticed we have a legit cop, not a parity cop.
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EBWOP
We have a possibility of having a legit cop, not a parity cop.
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Okay guys, question time.
After jwz's lynch, what can you gather from his filter?
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On May 30 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2014 02:52 slOosh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote:
MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion".
Welcome to my scum tier. Actually I didn't call sqrt scum, I was pointing out something that he's done which isn't helpful. I can have him correct that behavior and thus improve the town environment and maybe teach him something at the same time (which is after all the point of the game). On May 28 2014 16:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:K sqrt I'm starting to have a serious problem here. You go from this: On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.
I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.
But I kind of think he's town. To this: On May 28 2014 10:25 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt why are you not convincing people to vote for Palmar? On May 28 2014 10:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Cause I don't think it will happen.
And I also think there's a good chance that jwz is scum too. You can't "think he's town" and think he's scum too" at the same time. This is actually pretty scummy imo. Oh hey 27NB: On May 28 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 10:59 Chromatically wrote:
this is quite possibly the finest scumhunting tl has seen in ages Hey im scumhunting.... So im thinking, Team for mafia: Jabber/Sqrt/mderg Or Jabber/palmer/mderg Something like that, Id lynch both jabber and mderg though I also am really digging this post here although I disagree with mderg and I'd insert someone else, who I'm not sure of yet. So Palmar, just so the record is straight, now I'm calling sqrt scum for clearly contradicting himself in an attempt to be vague and not get caught supporting the wrong person. On May 29 2014 17:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2014 11:33 Chromatically wrote:On May 28 2014 19:44 Chromatically wrote:
MZ, what's your reasoning for Palmar being scum? MZ answer this please, regardless of whether you hold the read now. What was your reasoning at the time? My reason for wanting to lynch Palmar was stated here: On May 28 2014 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:57 Palmar wrote:
No you just implied that what he was doing looked like something mafia might do.
If you're town, I would have expected this
"If you leave it vague like this, you're never going to convince anyone of following your example or agreeing with your read."
Because that sentence isn't loaded with agenda, like yours was
"If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand."
I may be reading too much into this, but it's bad form. If you want to affect his playstyle, don't do it in the same breath as you threaten him with a scumread.. I really don't think I threatened him with a scum read at all. I said that something he was doing could be seen as scummy. I never said that I thought he was scum because of what he was doing. And I'm not a fan of your insinuations that I'm calling everyone mafia. I have thus far stated my support for a jwz lynch, discussed that I'm looking at Haru and Fuba as possibilities for scum because of their defense of jwz (they've both responded, I haven't really reevaluated them yet), and I've stated I would support a lynch on you. That was primarily because you were acting like you didn't give a shit which I've seen in the past to be scumpalmar. That's not randomly flinging around accusations as you suggest. At this point I'm not as convinced of Palmar's scumminess anymore because he's come in and been contributing a lot more than I would have expected out of scum Palmar. At the moment I don't have a burning scum read, I am probably most suspicious of sqrt because of the way he seems to drift with the general opinion of the thread like a willow in the wind. However I'm not sold that makes him scum yet, I wanna see him post for a little while longer before I make my mind up. ??? That's called a progression of a read sloosh. As you can see, at first I was not suspicious of sqrt and was simply pointing things out about his play for him to fix, then he posted more and I changed my mind because of new information. This is typically how one processes facts in a changing environment. I literally outline what's going on in the second post you quoted. What has sqrt done that you would consider him town?
He thinks I'm scum.
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What I've learned from jwz's filter:
Nothing.
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@haru
You didn't put people such as amiko or MZ. What is your take on them?
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On May 30 2014 08:17 Palmar wrote:
If I was mafia and wanted credit for not lynching him I wouldn't have been whipping people to stay with the lynch buddy. I have no idea where you're going with this.
So are you saying that you think that all of the people who didn't vote on jwz is town?
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On May 30 2014 08:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 08:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 30 2014 08:17 Palmar wrote:
If I was mafia and wanted credit for not lynching him I wouldn't have been whipping people to stay with the lynch buddy. I have no idea where you're going with this. So are you saying that you think that all of the people who didn't vote on jwz is town? No.
Then explain what you mean please.
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