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What we are not doing is starting a second wagon just for the sake of having another wagon in the hope that it will somehow "give more information". However, if you now think that someone else is more likely to flip scum than jabber, please feel free to vote them instead and push them. | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote: It's not that I don't want to vote jwz, it's that I would like to have a secondary wagon, so that we can make conclusions when jwz flips. We have 6 hours. Can you explain your read on jabber and also your top scumreads? | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Jabber - scum, but he might not be. Top scumreads: jwz palmar So why is it that you're not pushing either of these top scumreads? You have put your vote on both of them at points and then backed off very easily after their defense. It looks like you don't actually think they're scum, you're just going through the motions of accusing them and then accepting their defenses. | ||
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I completely agree with you that those comments are very strange (1 and 3 particularly, as well as his post where he tells jabber that he's being an easy target for scum). I don't know if they're particularly scummy, though. The rolefishing in particular is weird, but it doesn't make sense for scum to do because they already know the setup. Asking about it in-thread is one of those blatantly "scummy" things that scum can and will avoid at all costs. When I read his filter though I did see things that looked like he was at least trying to think about the game and people's alignments: + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2014 20:14 HaruRH wrote: This may have been used as evidence for the past 5 pages, but it still raises eyebrows. Why would you accuse someone of being mafia last game when you clearly know who is mafia last game? Didn't mean mafia, but meant non-vanilla... wait, he said he could have been super into last game because he was mafia. Then, he defends his claim by saying he was crapping. On May 28 2014 13:00 HaruRH wrote: Sqrt is always questioning for some reason or the other. Chromatically is a town read for me. Only mderg with his weird explanations seem to be a possible scumread. Overall there are people I think look worse. I would certainly like to see a lot more from him, though. | ||
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Other people I don't like are sqrt, MZ, and fuba. | ||
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I recommend staying the course on jabber. | ||
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On May 28 2014 19:44 Chromatically wrote: MZ, what's your reasoning for Palmar being scum? MZ answer this please, regardless of whether you hold the read now. What was your reasoning at the time? | ||
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My town circle is bunnies, Amiko, Palmar. I think that's pretty self-explanatory for the most part. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From purely looking at actions concerning the lynch, sqrt and mderg look pretty terrible. sqrt had his "top two scumreads" jabber and Palmar who he voted and then very quickly unvoted, before later attempting a fuba wagon that had no chance of getting off the ground. mderg defended the mislynch all day before starting an extremely late wagon on MZ. However, I don't really think they're scum. sqrt, although his play is stereotypically "scummy", has a lot of posts that feel like town reactions and show a town thought process about the game. It does look like he's trying to figure out who's scum. I can fairly easily see his actions coming from a townie with a crazy yolo-oriented playstyle. mderg just feels really genuine to me. I think it would be easy for scum to randomly throw out a scumread to push when I started pressuring him, but mderg didn't back down, which is a much townier position. Scum would be more aware of how strange it looks that they're not pushing a read and would invent one to push. On May 28 2014 23:43 mderg wrote: Well, my objective is to lynch scum but I don´t think that´s what you want to hear. It´s difficult to find a proper answer to that question because it´s not like I have someone I really want to lynch. I still don´t want jabber to be lynched. The outcome I would be most happy with would be lynching someone who is not jabber and scum. But since my defense for jabber didn´t seem to convince people I don´t think someone else will be lynched. I´d also be happy, if jabber flipped scum. That would make me wrong but it would put us in a good position. Genuine doesn't necessarily mean town though (I'm very wary of calling mderg town for that one post Palmar liked, I think that could easily come from scum). But, I think his posts show a townie thought process about honestly wanting to defend jabber. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One thing I thought was weird when I reread the early part of the day was how people rationalized their sheep onto jabber. I think that scum would not want to sheep on purely on the basis of the "slip", because scum would know that the slip had to come from town and was not actually scummy. So, scum would want to add additional justification. On May 28 2014 02:26 slOosh wrote: Calls Chrom scum, but also maybe town, for no reason. Very wishy washy, but interested in something of this Chrom lynch. I think combined with other different aspects brought up thus far, this is a very solid D1 lynch. Sloosh doesn't actually speak out against the slip at all, as someone would do if they actually disagreed with it. He just adds this additional (pretty weak) justification on top of it. This doesn't feel like his original vote post, which appears like he's voting purely for reasons already stated: On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote: Seems straightforward. ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Scum sloosh would feel awkward about pushing jabber based on his not-actually-scummy slip. So when he is asked for justification for his vote, he feels the need to add something else that isn't actually that strong. He doesn't want to look like he's just sheeping AND he doesn't want to sheep on the slip that he knows is false. His filter doesn't look like he's trying to solve the game at all. He's got some softball questions to people, but doesn't push or pressure anyone. He almost never gives his actual thoughts on anything. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MZ doesn't look like he's trying to figure out the game either. On May 28 2014 16:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: K sqrt I'm starting to have a serious problem here. You go from this: To this: You can't "think he's town" and think he's scum too" at the same time. This is actually pretty scummy imo. I don't like how here he says "that's scummy" and doesn't pressure sqrt. I would expect a townie to try to figure out sqrt's alignment and question him about why he feels that way. Scum just want to post a read and get out. And I agree with what Palmar has said. I'm unfortunately out of time so I can't get to the rest of the people but that's what I really wanted to hit on. Top two scum are Sloosh and MZ. | ||
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gobble slam haru fuba | ||
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