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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 17:28 GMT
#472
How about we don't randomly choose a second wagon for the sake of having another wagon, and you just push whoever you think is the most likely to flip scum.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 19:09 GMT
#493
It's really simple: you figure out who's most likely to flip scum, and then you put your vote on them.

What we are not doing is starting a second wagon just for the sake of having another wagon in the hope that it will somehow "give more information".

However, if you now think that someone else is more likely to flip scum than jabber, please feel free to vote them instead and push them.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 19:11 GMT
#495
On May 29 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's not that I don't want to vote jwz, it's that I would like to have a secondary wagon, so that we can make conclusions when jwz flips.

We have 6 hours.

Can you explain your read on jabber and also your top scumreads?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 19:23 GMT
#498
fuba, how do you feel about this jabber lynch? Do you have other reads?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 19:38 GMT
#514
Amiko, I'm most interested in who you want to lynch today.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 19:39 GMT
#516
Okay kids let's stop talking about power roles.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 19:42 GMT
#520
On May 29 2014 04:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:11 Chromatically wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's not that I don't want to vote jwz, it's that I would like to have a secondary wagon, so that we can make conclusions when jwz flips.

We have 6 hours.

Can you explain your read on jabber and also your top scumreads?

Jabber - scum, but he might not be.
Top scumreads:
jwz
palmar

So why is it that you're not pushing either of these top scumreads? You have put your vote on both of them at points and then backed off very easily after their defense. It looks like you don't actually think they're scum, you're just going through the motions of accusing them and then accepting their defenses.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 20:10 GMT
#534
On Haru:

I completely agree with you that those comments are very strange (1 and 3 particularly, as well as his post where he tells jabber that he's being an easy target for scum). I don't know if they're particularly scummy, though. The rolefishing in particular is weird, but it doesn't make sense for scum to do because they already know the setup. Asking about it in-thread is one of those blatantly "scummy" things that scum can and will avoid at all costs.

When I read his filter though I did see things that looked like he was at least trying to think about the game and people's alignments:
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On May 27 2014 20:14 HaruRH wrote:
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On May 27 2014 11:24 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia.
Zat counter point is invalid.

Didn't realize that was public information
My bad


This may have been used as evidence for the past 5 pages, but it still raises eyebrows. Why would you accuse someone of being mafia last game when you clearly know who is mafia last game?

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On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.


So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here.

You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not?

Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple.

Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us.

So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched.

Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely


Didn't mean mafia, but meant non-vanilla... wait, he said he could have been super into last game because he was mafia.

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On May 27 2014 11:56 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.


So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here.

You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not?

Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple.

Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us.

So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched.

Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely


Hmmm, just because you are vanilla town doesnt give you the right to be lurkish and not into the game :p

This doesnt give you a pass. Sorry

Essentially, at that point in the game I was just spitballing.


Then, he defends his claim by saying he was crapping.

On May 28 2014 13:00 HaruRH wrote:
Sqrt is always questioning for some reason or the other.

Chromatically is a town read for me.

Only mderg with his weird explanations seem to be a possible scumread.


Overall there are people I think look worse. I would certainly like to see a lot more from him, though.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 20:11 GMT
#536
I've read through everyone's filter and I still think jabber is the best lynch today.

Other people I don't like are sqrt, MZ, and fuba.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 20:44 GMT
#543
mderg why don't you try to heroically save the town from a mislynch
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 20:56 GMT
#545
mderg what I can absolutely not understand is how you haven't done anything all day except defend jabber. You have not pushed any other target at all. What are you doing? A townie who wants a successful lynch would be pushing who they think is scum, not doing nothing at all except for defending someone.

Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 28 2014 21:34 GMT
#547
I have to go now, I will probably not be back (except for limited phone posting) before deadline.

I recommend staying the course on jabber.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 29 2014 01:55 GMT
#596
So mderg, why did you wait until the few hours before lynch to choose someone to "push"? Wouldn't it have made a bit more sense to post your case on MZ just a little earlier, when he actually had a chance to be lynched? You did not care one bit about the lynch today.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 29 2014 02:33 GMT
#598
On May 28 2014 19:44 Chromatically wrote:
MZ, what's your reasoning for Palmar being scum?

MZ answer this please, regardless of whether you hold the read now. What was your reasoning at the time?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 29 2014 21:35 GMT
#637
I was hoping to reread the thread today, but I only got about halfway and I don't have very much time today so I'm just going to dump what I think now (it doesn't look like I'll be around to post something at deadline again).

My town circle is bunnies, Amiko, Palmar. I think that's pretty self-explanatory for the most part.

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From purely looking at actions concerning the lynch, sqrt and mderg look pretty terrible. sqrt had his "top two scumreads" jabber and Palmar who he voted and then very quickly unvoted, before later attempting a fuba wagon that had no chance of getting off the ground. mderg defended the mislynch all day before starting an extremely late wagon on MZ.

However, I don't really think they're scum. sqrt, although his play is stereotypically "scummy", has a lot of posts that feel like town reactions and show a town thought process about the game. It does look like he's trying to figure out who's scum. I can fairly easily see his actions coming from a townie with a crazy yolo-oriented playstyle.

mderg just feels really genuine to me. I think it would be easy for scum to randomly throw out a scumread to push when I started pressuring him, but mderg didn't back down, which is a much townier position. Scum would be more aware of how strange it looks that they're not pushing a read and would invent one to push.
On May 28 2014 23:43 mderg wrote:
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On May 28 2014 23:23 Chromatically wrote:
mderg, what would you say your objective is for today? What outcome would you be most happy with??

Well, my objective is to lynch scum but I don´t think that´s what you want to hear. It´s difficult to find a proper answer to that question because it´s not like I have someone I really want to lynch. I still don´t want jabber to be lynched.

The outcome I would be most happy with would be lynching someone who is not jabber and scum. But since my defense for jabber didn´t seem to convince people I don´t think someone else will be lynched.
I´d also be happy, if jabber flipped scum. That would make me wrong but it would put us in a good position.

Genuine doesn't necessarily mean town though (I'm very wary of calling mderg town for that one post Palmar liked, I think that could easily come from scum). But, I think his posts show a townie thought process about honestly wanting to defend jabber.

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One thing I thought was weird when I reread the early part of the day was how people rationalized their sheep onto jabber. I think that scum would not want to sheep on purely on the basis of the "slip", because scum would know that the slip had to come from town and was not actually scummy. So, scum would want to add additional justification.
On May 28 2014 02:26 slOosh wrote:
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On May 28 2014 02:20 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.

##Vote: jabberwockzerg


Hi there slOosh.

You are okay with this lynch.

Why?

And do you have anything else to comment?


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On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

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On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though

Calls Chrom scum, but also maybe town, for no reason. Very wishy washy, but interested in something of this Chrom lynch.

I think combined with other different aspects brought up thus far, this is a very solid D1 lynch.

Sloosh doesn't actually speak out against the slip at all, as someone would do if they actually disagreed with it. He just adds this additional (pretty weak) justification on top of it. This doesn't feel like his original vote post, which appears like he's voting purely for reasons already stated:
On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.

##Vote: jabberwockzerg

Scum sloosh would feel awkward about pushing jabber based on his not-actually-scummy slip. So when he is asked for justification for his vote, he feels the need to add something else that isn't actually that strong. He doesn't want to look like he's just sheeping AND he doesn't want to sheep on the slip that he knows is false.

His filter doesn't look like he's trying to solve the game at all. He's got some softball questions to people, but doesn't push or pressure anyone. He almost never gives his actual thoughts on anything.

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MZ doesn't look like he's trying to figure out the game either.
On May 28 2014 16:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
K sqrt I'm starting to have a serious problem here. You go from this:

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On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.

I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.

But I kind of think he's town.


To this:

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On May 28 2014 10:25 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt why are you not convincing people to vote for Palmar?


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On May 28 2014 10:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Cause I don't think it will happen.
And I also think there's a good chance that jwz is scum too.


You can't "think he's town" and think he's scum too" at the same time. This is actually pretty scummy imo.

I don't like how here he says "that's scummy" and doesn't pressure sqrt. I would expect a townie to try to figure out sqrt's alignment and question him about why he feels that way. Scum just want to post a read and get out.

And I agree with what Palmar has said.


I'm unfortunately out of time so I can't get to the rest of the people but that's what I really wanted to hit on. Top two scum are Sloosh and MZ.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 30 2014 00:28 GMT
#658
okay I'm here on my phone now if anyone has anything
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 30 2014 00:42 GMT
#659
out of the people I didn't mention, I would put them in order of decreasing scumminess

gobble
slam
haru
fuba
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 30 2014 00:57 GMT
#661
bunnies town, she's been active and trying to figure out the game (questions and pressuring people). she also was the first person to jump on jabber's slip, which I don't think scum would do because they know it has to come from town.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 30 2014 01:01 GMT
#663
gg everyone!
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 01 2014 01:15 GMT
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