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On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.
##Vote Ninjabunnies
it's because he wrote "XD" ??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game? Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?". Seems pretty ironclad to me.
Also, her, not him.
Prob something mundane to comment on, but i hate seeing his....
Bleh
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On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy.
If by qt, you mean he said last game he was gonna play the noob card, yeah I read that, too.
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On May 28 2014 01:14 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 20:59 Chromatically wrote:Also, read this whole page again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=5bunnies starts by (presumably) joking about me being scum, not a serious push as evidenced by not voting. On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light This is jabber's passive-agressive response. "he probably is" heavily implies that jabber has a strong scumread on me, which clearly doesn't make sense given that I've made one completely non-alignment indicative post. From a scum perspective, it makes sense for jabber to try to go with the flow of the thread and throw suspicion on me, but accidentally take it too far. On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though Again, here he makes it seem as if he strongly thinks I'm scum, which just doesn't make sense unless he has a preset idea of what he wants to push my alignment as. Lovely. I was trying to get the game moving along, I was pretty pumped to start interrogating and scum reading, which isn't how I acted last game, when I was scum. Lying about who was scum last game, I was trying to conceal information. I didn't realize that last game's roles were known, it would be beneficial for me if no one knew I was Mafia, just because there would be no real patterns of my play, and I could remain a wild card, which I thought could help me later.
Help you as town or as generating the lower tabby?
And if as town, how would the concealing of this information be helpful to you?
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On May 28 2014 01:24 mderg wrote:
I don´t like this lynch at all. I don´t see what he did as alignment indicative because it doesn´t really make sense as either town or scum. So why is it more likely to be done by scum than by town?
fuba: Weren´t you against this lynch? Why the vote on jabberwockzerg now?
Okay, so if you look at the messages here, you can see that in the last game, jabber was hugging the forbidden french pearl.
But he claimed that the reason why chrom could be acting differently this game was that the previous game chrom was the one who was sculpting the ice and this game he could just be vanilla town.
But everyone knows that in the previous game, jabber was blowing up the balloons, not chrom.
So why would jabber claim that chrom could have been locking up the forbidden duck last game?
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I honestly think jabber is the best lynch today. He really hasnt done anything to make me think he is town otherwise.
I also find it suspicious that mderg is defending him like this....
I don't understand you defense of him. Can you explain?
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On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying.
There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko.
But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid.
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I mean, i think my case is pretty solid. And there are a lot of people who agree (en again not everyone is here and commenting).
I'm quite nervous this might be a mislynch.
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On May 28 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 01:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko. But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid. This game hasn´t even been going for a day. So amiko not being active in this doesn´t mean it has to stay that way.
Oh yes, i know this, so i would love to hear what Amiko has to say when he does start commenting. But my point is how would his previous eating cheese and rice team call him out on it when one of them isnt even in this game, and the other isnt being active.
So i called him out on it. I think it was a slip
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On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
Hi there slOosh.
You are okay with this lynch.
Why?
And do you have anything else to comment?
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On May 28 2014 02:00 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 01:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko. But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid. This game hasn´t even been going for a day. So amiko not being active in this doesn´t mean it has to stay that way. Oh yes, i know this, so i would love to hear what Amiko has to say when he does start commenting. But my point is how would his previous eating cheese and rice team call him out on it when one of them isnt even in this game, and the other isnt being active. So i called him out on it. I think it was a slip It might be a slip but I think it´s more likely that it´s not a slip and just bad play.
Explain further. What about it makes it just a bad play?
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On May 28 2014 02:42 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 02:00 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko. But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid. This game hasn´t even been going for a day. So amiko not being active in this doesn´t mean it has to stay that way. Oh yes, i know this, so i would love to hear what Amiko has to say when he does start commenting. But my point is how would his previous eating cheese and rice team call him out on it when one of them isnt even in this game, and the other isnt being active. So i called him out on it. I think it was a slip It might be a slip but I think it´s more likely that it´s not a slip and just bad play. Explain further. What about it makes it just a bad play? Are you asking about why it´s bad play or why i think it´s not scummy but bad play? I´l answer both I don´t think that makes him scum because even considering that he missed the alignments of the last game being published it´s not unlikely to be figured out that he lied. Unless he is scum with amiko or somehow knows that amiko won´t notice it there is quite a huge risk of the lie being discovered. Why it´s bad play should be obvious with the situation he´s in right now. It makes him suspicious which he doesn´t want as either alignment.
You are right. Unless amiko is with him, his play would be called out.
However, what was I supposed to do, let it slide and hope that amiko comments on it?
That's not something I would do.
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On May 28 2014 02:43 fuba wrote:
It's in my filter, as well as something mderg mentioned recently...
His scummates from last game would know he was scum, regardless of whether or not the scumteam was revealed to all of us. Therefore, the lie would be caught for sure, unless the scumteam was exactly the same as last game, which I doubt XD
It could be possible.
Ive modded video mafia games in where we had to reroll and ive rng the exact same mafia team.
It's possible, rare, but possible.
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On May 28 2014 03:06 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 17:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Meta is useless, and I will be proof within 16 hours. This happens when people are talking about the case. You chose not to comment on it at all despite his play being "illogical to a clear extreme", and only now you jump on?
By meta, isnt slam talking about his own meta?
Im not sure how this statement refers to the case at hand.
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On May 28 2014 03:11 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 03:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 02:42 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 02:00 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 01:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko. But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid. This game hasn´t even been going for a day. So amiko not being active in this doesn´t mean it has to stay that way. Oh yes, i know this, so i would love to hear what Amiko has to say when he does start commenting. But my point is how would his previous eating cheese and rice team call him out on it when one of them isnt even in this game, and the other isnt being active. So i called him out on it. I think it was a slip It might be a slip but I think it´s more likely that it´s not a slip and just bad play. Explain further. What about it makes it just a bad play? Are you asking about why it´s bad play or why i think it´s not scummy but bad play? I´l answer both I don´t think that makes him scum because even considering that he missed the alignments of the last game being published it´s not unlikely to be figured out that he lied. Unless he is scum with amiko or somehow knows that amiko won´t notice it there is quite a huge risk of the lie being discovered. Why it´s bad play should be obvious with the situation he´s in right now. It makes him suspicious which he doesn´t want as either alignment. You are right. Unless amiko is with him, his play would be called out. However, what was I supposed to do, let it slide and hope that amiko comments on it? That's not something I would do. I think it´s good that you pointed it out but how everyone instantly jumps on him that´s what I don´t like.
I agree. I even said that in a previous post.
My case, i think is solid, but many are jumping on it, which other than you, i expected more opposition.
But then again, jabbers partners might just realized he placed himself under the bus so to speak, so are leaving him to die.
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Ooo, i like amiko this game....
Even if he was a bit lurkish during first half of day.
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On May 28 2014 03:40 Amiko wrote:
@bunnies: I wasn't here most of yesterday - you can trust this because I posted it in my short-lived mafia QT (perhaps the first time we can use 'scumconfirmed' information) :3 lol
Lemme see if I can find some questions for you, you should do the same
Find questions for me?
I love questions.
Okay, so you already commented on the jabber thing.
What do you think of mderg's defense of jabber, and his questioning of everyone jumping on the wagon, as well as my response to that?
And what do you think of fuba's uncertainty and defense of his uncertainty on the lynch of jabber?
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On May 28 2014 03:46 Amiko wrote:@27ninjabunniesThis is just something I think is kinda weird as an observation, but not scum-indicative. It’s strange to me that your early posts seemed to push against using the prior game for information. However, you end up joining a case that is more or less based on the prior game (on jabberwockzerg). Examples:+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2014 09:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:Lets not talk about previous game roles. On May 27 2014 09:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 09:41 slOosh wrote:
My bad.
Roleblocks should always be announced. So should doctor saves if you are saved. I just don't want previous game to carry over to this game I suppose. Because how a person was playing the previous game, might be the same as this game, which could indicate that they are a role or the same role and I don't want to make it easy on mafia  On May 27 2014 10:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 10:56 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Aren't we only supposed to discuss mafia or whatever? I mean, basically you can discuss whatever. Just dont make your entire filter based off of not game things. Hence me trying to get yall back on track On May 27 2014 11:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Was he town-halling? I didn't read the birds and the bees qt from last game. Any comments? I'll look for more in a bit.
Yeah, I mostly meant that for actual roles, like cop/doctor/watcher.
And because BH posted the qt where we could see who was burning the planet, it was made as info for everyone.
With jabber's comment there, and the fact that someone else pointed out he was in the qt, I just couldn't let that slide.
To put suspicion on someone else for being something they weren't when you were actually the one who was, just seems super kicking the water bucket to me.
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On May 28 2014 04:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
What I don't like right now is that my readz may change greatly on whether or not jabber flips scum.
Im pretty sure everyone's reads will change based in jabber's flip
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So gobble is the only one who hasnt talked yet...
In a minute, im going to do a player analysis on each player... But Ive got to go do something real quick
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On May 28 2014 04:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So gobble is the only one who hasnt talked yet...
In a minute, im going to do a player analysis on each player... But Ive got to go do something real quick Nope. Gobble has talked. MZ has talked the least.
Ohhhh... Lel. I read his filter.
I was wrong.
Yay everyone has talked atleast once. Now i have something to go on!
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